Who is more talented?

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  1. Roger

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  2. Serena

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  1. No1e

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    I agree that this forum has a fair share of racists like you, but you can't make the assumption that everyone else here is just like you.
     
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  2. Prisoner of Birth

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    I can't speak for the others but I really, really dislike Serena. And I like Venus and, surprise surprise, Donald Young. I might make fun of him but that doesn't mean I dislike him. I dislike Sharapova more than I dislike Serena, though.
     
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  3. dangalak

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    :lol: No it doesn't. Nobody heaps abuse on Ebony Starr. :) There is zero evidence that she is hated because she's black, other than her being black. Oh wait, what am I saying, that is enough evidence. :oops:
     
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  4. tusharlovesrafa

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    I agree with you.Although I am a rafa fan,Roger's natural talent is something out of this world.Sarena is a pure bully,she can out-hit her opponents but she can never out class her opponents.
     
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  5. dangalak

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    Many people are also stupid. /Lopez :lol:

    I also find it hilarious how you are overestimating her peak form. Certainly she has a better peak than most of the high tier legends, but there were plenty of players that, when peaking would be just as devastating.

    Peak isn't that relevant. If we were going by peak form, Del Potro from the way he played the first set in the DC final against Nadal would be unbeatable. Mary would actually rival somebody like Serena on anything that isn't fast. (and dominate her on clay) Kvitova.

    What's important is how good you are day in day out AND on your peak. You put too much emphasis on the latter.
     
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  6. syc23

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    In terms of talent level:

    Fed - Level 5,999,999,999,891
    Serena - Level 20,000

    A peak Serena playing in the ATP tour would get tripled bagelled by Ferrer. Straighted setted 60 60 61 by Gasguet.

    She's beating all those girls on the WTA tour not by talent but intimidation. It's like back in the days, when Mike Tyson's was in his peak, opponents would lose the fight mentally before they even step onto the ring.
     
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  7. slowfox

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    Landslide.
     
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  8. Gonzo_style

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    :lol::lol::lol::lol:
     
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  9. BauerAlmeida

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    Maybe that's because of the power, not because of the talent.

    Anyway, I still think Fed is more talented.
     
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  10. ahuimanu

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    In terms of straight up "tennis" talent-Roger.

    If you're speaking of athletic talent, gotta say-Serena. She is a genetically superior athlete...
     
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  11. cknobman

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    I am in no way saying Serena is not talented, BUT she does not hold a candle to Federer in the talent department.

    Serena biggest attributes are power, guile, and determination more-so than talent.
     
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  12. The-Champ

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    Both are incredibly talented but my vote goes to Queen Serena.

    - career golden slam in doubles and singles.
    - Serena slam
    - murdered sister, injury-ridden career. Despite that she has managed to win 15 majors.
     
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  13. okdude1992

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    Serena is just superior to the rest of the WTA. Stronger, bigger, tougher mentally. Also the level of competition she's been competing against for big stretches of her career is the worst the WTA has been. Even still she's never been near as dominant as Federer.

    Federer meanwhile is the definition of talent. In his prime he dominated everything off clay for 3-4 years (only losing to the cc GOAT, Nadal)
    He is still capable of beating other all time greats even now, way past his prime
     
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  14. Dark Magician

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    In my opinion, their talent level goes something like this :-
    Serena - 7500
    Federer - Its over 9000!!!!! What 9000???????
     
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  15. Dark Magician

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    I feel Fed is little better, thanks to guys like Nadal, Djokovic, Safin, Hewitt,.........
     
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  16. zagor

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    You have as much proof of that as me saying Steffi or Navratilova could take Serena peak for peak on fast surfaces, they played only once and Sampras lost (yes I know Sampras was not at his best but neither was Fed).

    Anyway as Michael said, it's apples and oranges, Serena has to win 23 slams to get the open era slam record while Fed merely had to win 15 to achieve the same, Serena should be compared to other WTA players (especially in regards to slam count) not to Fed, the two tours are just too different.
     
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  17. smoledman

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    One moves like water, the other is a bit lumbering but gets the job done.
     
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  18. smoledman

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    Federer had to play peak Hewitt, Nalbandian, Roddick, Safin, Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, Del Potro. Who has Serena played exactly?
     
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    Don't make me lmao - barely squeezed by the short Hewitt/Nalbandian, one-trick Roddick, injured Safin and one-legged Nadal, pre-prime Djokovic, talentless Murray and awkward-moving Delpo, while Serena had to face toughest competition of all time.
     
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  20. smoledman

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    ROFL!!!! :twisted:
     
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  21. dangalak

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    Nalbandian is short? :confused:

    I would point to his lack of fitness, rather than anything else. :lol:
     
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  22. SoBad

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    We are talking about a short fat man who spends his offseason walking around Buenos Aires all night looking for a new steakhouse with fatty chunks of lamb.
     
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  23. jokinla

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    Fed for sure, not even close, Serena has more physical ability than most WTAers, but she isn't more talented than Fed, get serious.
     
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  24. seattle_1hander

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    The stupidity here is beyond anything I've ever seen on tenniswarehouse. Serena at her peak had nowhere near the streaks, records, or slams Federer was throwing up between 04 and 07. I mean...honestlY?
     
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  25. Talker

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    Why bring Serena into this?
    She doesn't even have weeks at #1 or enough slam totals.


    I would say she has about Agassi's level for the woman.
     
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  26. NadalDramaQueen

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    That is a bold statement! :cool: I think 90's Clay is just having a laugh at everyone else's expense though, he really is a riot.

    Since we are again talking about talent, I find it hard to compare Serena to Roger at his best. When you see something like that, you never forget it. The only player who comes close is Laver himself. He has a magical quality and that is why his supporters will vigorously defend him to this day. I get the feeling that Federer will be regarded in the same manner when he is done.
     
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  27. Tony48

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    Fed is amazing and his game is aesthetically-pleasing (which I think people like to put in the "talent" category like they do with Gasquet) but I'm gonna have to go with Serena.

    Serena didn't participate in many tournaments by choice. Records are combination of many things, and not just sheer talent.
     
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  28. dangalak

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    Based on what?

    She is incapable of doing many things on the tennis court that Federer does easily. (dropshots, slices, SOUND FOOTWORK) Any superiority to Federer is mostly physical.
     
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  29. World Beater

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    instead of looking at coulda, wouldas.

    look at facts

    serena hasnt done anything totally out of line with previous female dominance...

    Federer however is a much bigger outlier in tennis history than serena williams.
     
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  30. BauerAlmeida

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    That's not the question.
     
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  31. tistrapukcipeht

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    This must be a joke.
     
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  32. Sim

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    Federer made full use of his talent while Serena did not, and just this factor makes it hard to tell who is "more" talented. I say they're both incredibly talented. Hard to imagine them being any more talented because then they'd be the perfect player.
     
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  33. mmk

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    Roger has much greater variety in his game than Serena
     
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  34. TMF

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    The OP shouldn't ask the question in the first place since it's not even a debate.
     
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  35. dangalak

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    NadalAgassi said that talent should be considered "natural ability, when maximised, will probably lead to success". As in Serena could theoretically be more talented than Federer, but in a jock way, not a virtuoso way.

    I made this thread to know how many people agree with that.
     
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  36. underground

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    Thank God most of the people in TW have common sense.
     
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  37. MTF07

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    You are so ****ing dumb.
     
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  38. NadalAgassi

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    Yes like Serena is going to have any chance vs Federer on an ATP only/WTA hating forum, LOL! It is funny how the poll who would win more slams between Serena and Federer had Serena with about 90% of the votes at the WTA forum and only 15% here (lo and behold the WTA forum is more likely to end up being right on that). This poll would be exactly the same in reverse there most likely too. Only if there was a forum neutral between ATP and WTA fans could a poll be credible.

    Serena at her best was pretty dang tough to beat. is very true. The Serena of 2002/2003 at her peak of peaks would in fact beat any women in history peak to peak on hard courts or grass. Graf, Navratilova, Evert, Seles, they would all regularly lose to this Serena outside of clay. Pretty much everyone, these players themselves included, have conceded as much. Federer in no way is this clear. Sampras could well have the edge peak to peak on all faster courts, Gonzales as well, Laver could on pretty much any court, a dozen players would on clay, a young Nadal has shown he does on most courts. It is quite telling that at the same age Federer currently is, and with about 40% her old fitness level and mobility she is able to dominate the womens tour in a way the fully commited Federer cannot.
     
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  39. dangalak

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    :lol: :lol:

    Seriously, you are f*cking delusional.

    Serena's domination of her tour has more to do with her pathetic competition.

    Nadal hasn't proven that he can beat peak Federer "on most courts". He is better on clay and has a good chance on slow hardcourt. All of his major win over him happened after Federer's decline.
     
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  40. Prisoner of Birth

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    Federer would straight-set Laver and Gonzales 9 times out of 10. Tennis these days is of a much higher standard than back then.
     
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  41. NadalAgassi

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    The 2002-2003 field when Serena was her most dominant ever was not pathetic, in fact the 1999-2003 field is considered by most the toughest and deepest womens tennis field in history, something nobody (other than a few deluded ****s) would ever say about the mens field during Federer's dominance.

    PS- someone who has started so many asinine threads in such a short time on this forum is the last one in a position to call anyone deluded. Continue trying to pump into peoples brains how the great David Nalbandian is more talented than Federer, something even I the so called Fed hater according to ****s wouldnt even try.


    Yes, he doesnt even straight set his pigeons Hewitt and Roddick 9 times out of 10 yet he would Laver and Gonzales, two of the greatest, both argaubly the greatest, player(s) of all time. OK.
     
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  42. Prisoner of Birth

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    But Hewitt and Roddick are better players than Laver and Gonzales. Relative to their fields and from historical perspective, Laver and Gonzales are the far Greater players. Greater, not better. Tennis these days is of a much higher standard.
     
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  43. NadalAgassi

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    ROTFL!!!! Thanks so much, that makes a great sig.
     
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  44. Prisoner of Birth

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    Why, thank you. Looking forward to seeing my quote as your signature. Of course, it doesn't surprise me in the least that you're taking it out of context.
     
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    NadalAgassi has quite a few nice gems of his own that he has so graciously donated to the wider community...though I love my current signature far too much to ensure that their true value is engraved into public memory. ;)
     
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    The Laver-Gonzalez team might have a fraction of a chance with the two-back formation v. Roddick/Hewitt.
     
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  47. MTF07

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    And Serena can't even straight set Azarenka in a slam final, but she'd dominate players that dominated the sport far more than she ever did.

    Right. I like you say things so definitively without any proof.
     
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