Who is the Greatest Of All Time?

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Who is the Greatest Tennis Player Of All Time?

  1. Pancho Gonzales

    6 vote(s)
    4.0%
  2. Ken Rosewall

    1 vote(s)
    0.7%
  3. Rod Laver

    8 vote(s)
    5.3%
  4. Bjorn Borg

    3 vote(s)
    2.0%
  5. Ivan Lendl

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Jimmy Connors

    2 vote(s)
    1.3%
  7. Andre Agassi

    2 vote(s)
    1.3%
  8. Pete Sampras

    4 vote(s)
    2.6%
  9. Roger Federer

    117 vote(s)
    77.5%
  10. Rafael Nadal

    8 vote(s)
    5.3%
  1. TMF

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    If you visit the NBA forum, and you find Michael Jordan keep wining the goat poll, does that has nothing to do with who's the goat?

    BTW, I didn't vote.
     
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  2. hoodjem

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    Probably not.

    We've been through this before: GROAT (apparently)

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    The evidence is obvious. Billions voted with their wallets--McDonald's must be the Greatest Restaurant of All Time!
     
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  3. TMF

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    So the most popular player will likely to win goat poll? I don't think so. Ali is the most popular boxer, yet, he's not the goat, it's Sugar Ray Robinson.
     
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  4. hoodjem

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    You forgot Tilden.
     
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  5. NadalAgassi

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    I nearly choked laughing at that one. Thanks for that.
     
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  6. fed_rulz

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    gotta love the idiots who whine about "Forum Fed" -- ever wonder why he has so many fans? is it for his "model" looks? i think not! they pretend that Federer's popularity has nothing to do with the level and brand of tennis he produces.
     
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  7. fed_rulz

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    and you think you're in a privileged position to dismiss and scorn at what the mass likes because???
     
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  8. Agassifan

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    Sorta. 80% may be Fed fans and 10% may be Rafa fans, but those 10% are so loud and insecure that it looks like the distribution is more even. Just look at the number of threads each group starts.
     
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  9. DropShotArtist

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    Well it kinda is, objectively. Else what is the greatest?
     
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  10. Towser83

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    where is the "there is no GOAT" option?
     
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  11. Hood_Man

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    No Wario? That guy was my nemesis in Mario Tennis 64 :evil:
     
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  12. Gonzo_style

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    Adam Savage didn't think about that
     
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  13. TMF

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    So according to you Rice, Gretzky, Federer....all represent McDonald.
    Great logic.:rolleyes:
     
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  14. PseudoFed

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    You're kidding me.
     
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    Because I just had 10 poll options and that option is redundant. Those who don't think there's a GOAT won't vote.
     
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  16. PseudoFed

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    I am the GOAT.
     
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  17. PseudoFed

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    Fellas, thank you for the praise but I am humble so please don't call me the GROAT as well. As much as I great, I can't cook. You're welcome.
     
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  18. NadalAgassi

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    It is too early to say Federer gains Gretzky and Rice type recognition and respect. We wont know that until he retires. Those two are the almost unaminous GOATs of their sport long after being retired. Federer is a current player, and their is always bias to the current best, especialy if they are amongst the all time greats at all. Serena is also proof of this, you love to mock the idea she could be talked about as the best ever, but the fact is many experts of the sport are currently saying that. Given how ridiculous you find that, you basically are forced to concede there is a strong current player bias for so many to even be thinking that about Serena (and thus the current player bias would possibly apply to Federer as well). Lets see how he is rated when he retires. Sampras was viewed much higher upon retirement then he is now, and that is not just due to Federer. Many were talking about Sampras as being greater than Laver when he retired (which I never agreed with even as a Sampras fan) and now people think the idea of him being above Laver or Gonzales is a joke, while some even have Nadal and or Borg above him. Meanwhile many of the people who said Graf was greater than Navratilova when she retired (King, Carillo, Shriver) have since swung the other way, despite that neither women has done anything to change their careers, apart from a late doubles title of some sort by Navratilova, since that point.
     
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  19. zagor

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    Not a valid analogy, what food you prefer is down your taste which is highly subjective.

    Fed isn't considered one of the greatest players of all time because so many like his playing style but because of his results in a competitive professional field.

    For example, I don't have to like Nadal's playing style at all and love Nalbandian's game but I'd never suggest Nalbandian is even remotely in the same league as far as tennis greatness goes.

    If I had an opportunity to "vote with my wallet" -pay to watch either Nalbandian or Nadal play I'd pick Nalbandian while still considering Nadal to be a vastly superior player as mentioned above.
     
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  20. NadalAgassi

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    McDonalds is so bad these days. I ate there a couple weeks ago for the first time in 9 months, and they are getting worse at a rapid rate it seems, which I thought was almost impossible considering were they were at previously. I was shocked they could get so much worse in just 9 months.
     
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  21. zagor

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    Meh, I can't even remember the last time I ate there, I never liked them.

    I always remember a scene from this movie when talking about McDonalds:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eREiQhBDIk

    I could probably eat 10 of their pathetic little hamburgers and still be hungry.
     
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  22. Steve0904

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    I only eat breakfast at McDonalds these days, and even then I need two egg mcmuffins and two hashbrowns to not be hungry.
     
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  23. mattennis

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    Bill Tilden, Donald Budge, Jack Kramer, Pancho Gonzalez, Ken Rosewall, Rod Laver, Jimmy Connors, Bjorn Borg, Ivan Lendl, John McEnroe, Pete Sampras, Roger Federer...

    Those are some GOSE (Greatest Of Some Era), and there are more of them.

    Many others (Perry, Newcombe, Wilander, Edberg, Becker, Agassi, Nadal...) absolutely great players as well.

    Impossible to compare great players from different eras (more than 7 or 8 years apart), because "tennis" is not a fixed concept, but a constantly changing sport.
     
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  24. monfed

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    IDK but Sampras is certainly not the GOAT. :lol:
     
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  25. TMF

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    I don't know why mattennis is mixing up with players from tier 1, 2 and 3 all together. I doubt it that players like Wilander, Becker or Connors believe they are greater than Federer. And certainly not Agassi or Lendl who both have conceded that they aren't as good.
     
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    You mean to say that Agassi and Lendl have both conceded that they aren't as good so they should not be considered. What do you expect them to say? They are aS good as any other player in the list :wink: Roger said he is not the greatest player but you ignore that when you claim Roger is the GOAT.

    I don't intend to say that Lendl and Agassi are as good as Laver or Sampras or Federer but just pointing out that players would be humble and they wont push their case themselves
     
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  27. cork_screw

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    Reading these threads, I really feel like Sisyphus.
     
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    ROGER FEDERER is the greatest of all time beyond a doubt, anyone who claims that not to be is just not seeing it following him would laver, nadal , sampras, and bjorg
     
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  29. TMF

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    Agassi's last match against Federer was in 2005 USO which it was his 8 straight losses. When he stated that Fed was the best he's ever played, doesn't that sound convincing? Or do you expect that he wasn't serious(being humble)?

    Lendl in 2009 said Fed/Nadal was WAY better than them. You could say he was humbled, but he went through a great length in explaining why they are better...due to evolution, better training, players are faster, more athletic, etc..

    Federer said he isn't the greatest, but Jerry Rice also was bombarded with the same question and he never said he was the best. However, that doesn't change fans opinion. The great one can deny all they want, but the fans is not going to change their mind.

    Let me ask you this, If Fed said he's not as good as Agassi but Agassi disagree. Who do you believe is a superior player?
     
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  30. Talker

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    Those in contention won't say they're the greatest but they'll say who they think is the greatest.

    I don't remember Fed naming anyone as the greatest, I know the other greats have.

    Fed's not retired and may add quite a bit still to his numbers.
     
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  31. Agassifan

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    Just bumping up this thread just to highlight the fact that 5% of the posters make 95% of the noise.
     
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  32. fed_rulz

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    more like 1.8% of the posters..
     
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    Stupid debate. We all know Fed is the GOAT











    of picking shoelaces. ALLEZ PINK SHOELACES!!!
     
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  34. Leelord337

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    idk why but John Newcomb should be on this list as well. Guy was Superior to lots of players back in the day
     
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  35. NadalAgassi

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    John Newcombe is definitely an all time great but he should not be in this poll either. He isnt better than a single person who is currently on the poll.
     
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  36. Netspirit

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    This became obvious in 2009. Not sure why people cannot settle down on this matter, or what exactly they are waiting for.
     
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  37. smoledman

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    Why not Bill Tilden or Don Budge?
     
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    Why not King Henry VII? He was a keen enthusiast and apparently he had a spiffing backhand and could run jolly fast. How presumptuous to arbitrarily lock out all the wonderful players of the 16th, 17th and 18th Centuries.
     
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    Where's Bernard Raonic?
     
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    lol and he could throw a barrel 50ft in the air supposedly
     
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    He may not have had a Nike contract or quirky pink trim but he was ever so dashing in his long coat with ermine trim and silk pantaloons. Take that Budgie and you other modern thugs.
     
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  42. Hood_Man

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    Jack Nicholson?
     
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    Apologies, I meant Humphrey Bogart.
     
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    I voted for Fed becasue he is the best player I have ever seen.

    Tennis is a sport where equipment and surface changes make it almost impoosible to make comparisons between era.

    Laver was clearly a genius, but put him in his prime with his racquet of choice against Federer circa 2006 and I think Rod would struggle to win a game. (this is one of those statements that are utterly impossible to prove/disprove, it is just my opinion)

    massive props to all the rest, fantastic players..
     
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  47. forzamilan90

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    hehe now we're talking....Heat was awesome btw :)

    Joe Pesci is in a class of his own though
     
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  48. Elite

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    I will conform and say Roger Federer.
     
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  49. forzamilan90

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    I really wish this poll was public.
     
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