Who is the greatest punk band of all time?

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Who is your favorite punk band?

  1. Joy Division

    7.7%
  2. The Sex Pistols

    5.8%
  3. The Clash

    48.1%
  4. The Ramones

    36.5%
  5. The Buzzcocks

    3.8%
  6. The Adverts

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. The Stooges

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. The Dead Kennedys

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. Black Flag

    1.9%
  10. Other

    21.2%
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  1. Tchocky

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    I grew up on punk rock and alternative music. I'm really looking forward to seeing "Control" the new Ian Curtis/Joy Division biopic. I love all these bands and have been listening to them since High School.
     
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  2. Mastermind

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    For me it was a close one between The Ramones and The Sex Pistols. In the end, I'm gonna go with The Ramones.
     
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    are "gang of four" classified as punk? if so my vote goes to them. My dad got me their debut album "entertainment," absolutely insane. great great lyrics ("I'm so restless I'm bored as a cat"), good drums and bass and awesome guitar as well.
    My Dad also bought me joy division, haven't listened to that yet. You must hear gang of four though, they're so good.
     
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  4. 35ft6

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    Sum 41. Ten characters.
     
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    true punk can only be defined with the music of the sex pistols. lol.
     
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  6. Mike Bulgakov

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    The Clash has to rank number one as they made so many strong albums with intelligent lyrics and a good mix of genres. The Sex Pistols epitomized the London clothes pin in-the-cheek nihilism that spawned punk, but they imploded after one good album.

    The Undertones equaled The Buzzcocks as a pop punk band, IMO. If you are feeling really depressed after a break-up with a girl and want to turn suicidal, Joy Division will do the trick (a great band, nevertheless).
     
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  7. yodudedudeyo

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    great punk bands? oh ya know, simple plan, good charlotte, the click five. those are all just greeeeaaattttt punk bands.
     
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  8. Feña14

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    Wow, that's a hard question!

    I'd probably say The Ramones, followed by The Clash.
     
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  9. Andres

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    Clash. At least they made MUSIC.
     
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    Op Ivy was a great band too.

    -Jon
     
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  11. Breaker

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    I notice Fallout Boy failed to make your list, for that I am proud, even amongst the crappiest bands to grace the music industry they don't deserve to be brought up.

    The Clash wins out, London Calling is better than anything the other bands in the poll ever did.
     
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    It has to be almost a tie between the ramones and the clash. I do believe the ramones were a completely revolutionary, more than the clash, but the latter produced the best record modern history (i.e. london calling). its pretty close, with ramones winning IMO by very little.
     
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    aaah, we agree again liam. and its the second time ;)
     
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    Crass by far
     
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  15. Professor Silvian Kuerton

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    i love good charlotte.
     
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  16. yodudedudeyo

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    haaaaaaaaa good charlotte. haaaaaaaaa
     
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  17. shwetty[tennis]balls

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    It's hard to assess. I really think The Clash might barely steal this away form The Ramones. If you're into punk, then you'll know Bad Religion. They started in the early 80's, but their best stuff is from the late 80's early 90's. Against the Grain ranks as one of my all-time favorite punk albums. I don't really care too much for these generic modern punk bands like Simple Plan, and I hate Good Charlotte. Pennywise is awesome,and I like Sum 41. Nothing like the classics though. A band people don't seem to recognize as punk, especially great punk, is the Police. Hard to believe the main person behind one of the all greats(the Police) is now a soft-weak soft-pop twink now(speaking of course of Sting).
     
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    Just got home from work and I'm wearing a Clash t-shirt, so my vote goes to The Clash. I'm a huge fan of the Clash. I have around 30 Clash lp's, ep's 7"'s, cd's and bootlegs and a couple of books and dvd's.
    To me they were the most influential band ever, believing that they could play every genre with no regards to their abilities as musicians. They just got out there and played.
    Ramones is also a really great band, joy division also. It's difficult to pick just one band.
    But everyone who's into punk should check out the indiependent record labels and their bands. I think I have well over 100 albums by bands from small record labels, but the music is so much better than what you get on mtv or the radio.
     
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  19. Professor Silvian Kuerton

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    I just got home wearing my Avril Lavigne t-shirt.
     
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  20. Shabazza

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    A tie between The Clash and The Ramones - since I have to vote for one, I go with The Clash.
     
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    Ex-New York Dolls guitarist, Johnny Thunders' band, The Heartbreakers. Second choice is Anti-Nowhere League. Not commercial but it's punk.:cool:
     
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  22. little_e

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    Old school: The Ramones
    New school: Green Day
     
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    The Saints.

    (I’m) Stranded is still one of the greatest songs ever written and, in my opinion, the greatest punk single ever recorded.
     
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  24. Richie Rich

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    Ramones. If i listen to more than 10 minutes of joy division i want to slit my throat
     
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    I bet you think that Cindi Lauper was punk too!
     
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  26. Professor Silvian Kuerton

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    She was not punk, she was ex-wife.
     
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    Bad Brains.
     
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    I also had to split my vote between the Clash and The Ramones. I like The Clash better, but The Ramones started it all. (Well, The Stooges *really* started it all, but I just never got into them)

    Face it, if the Ramones hadn't travelled to London there might never have been a Clash.
     
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  29. Mike Bulgakov

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    I just watched "Westway to the World," a documentary about my favourite punk band The Clash. Most of their live recordings sound pretty bad -- anyone have any recommendations for a concert recording (bootleg or otherwise) that captures the band at its best?
     
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  30. 35ft6

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    Sum 42. Best punk bands are from Canada. Recognize.
     
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  31. Mike Bulgakov

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    Do you really think Sum 42 is better than The Clash and The Ramones? Does Avril Lavigne have you in a headlock, pouring Canadian Club down your throat as you post?
     
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    Sadly The Clash did not record many live shows very well. There are many bootlegs, I have some of them, but the quality is not that good. The best live recording on cd is their live album "From here to eternity live". It's the only official live release, and they cleaned up the sound on that one, and I think it's really great. But otherwise you won't find any recordings with such quality.

    If you're looking for videos it's a pretty hard job too. They did record some live perfomances. Playing live at the US festival 83 can be found on youtube in small parts, also some of the songs they played in Shea stadium (I believe the video for "should I stay or should I go was recorded here). You should get the movie "Rude Boy", which is about a young guy working with the clash. There are some live perfomances in that one too.

    It looks like there's gonna be a movie capturing the clash live entitled "Revolution Rock" but it hasn't been released yet. You can find a trailer here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1CwDATKs5c

    Otherwise just try searching on the net. And also try searching for Joe Strummer live. there's a great perfomance of him and the mescaleros playing live in Cologne in 99.
    http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=joe+strummer+live+cologne&search_type=
     
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  33. slice bh compliment

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    You guys are all hilarious, but the word 'RECOGNIZE' had me rolling. LMAO!

    Okay, I'm no authority on music, and it's not very punk rock to make a list (or a poll for that matter!)....but I know what I like:

    1. Clash
    2. Sex Pistols
    3. Ramones
    4. one or two NY/DC punk/hardcore bands I saw as a kid. But I wouldn't buy their cds even if they were available now.

    Musically, I think the Clash is the best,
    the Sex Pistols are the most pure in terms of message, music and method,
    and the music of the Ramones is most loved at a party.
     
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  34. tzinc

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    Clash had meaningful lyrics not just great music!
     
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    L!k3 0MG Gr33n Day p0wns tey R sooooo punk rawk
     
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  36. Enlightened Coelacanth

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    A Seattle band named Penis Scab.
    Not too many people saw them play and
    the ones that did never forgot what they saw.
    Is that great? I don't know.
     
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  37. slice bh compliment

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    Anyone ever see Die Kreuzen? Cheetah Chrome? Drivin'n'Cryin? These are bands from other genres with some punk undertones, on stage at least.
     
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  38. slice bh compliment

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    Professor, do I detect a subtle bit of Aykhan there?
     
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    You're going to pick the Heartbreakers over the NY Dolls?? You're killing me. The Dolls were the original punk band. Tough to beat in my book. They would get my vote.

    Lots of good choices here the Clash, Ramones, Pistols are all great bands. My favorite show of all time was Patti Smith opening for the Ramones in Ann Arbor, MI in 1979 at some bar on Liberty Street.

    Another contender is the band Fear. Their first record is killer. Up there with Here Comes the Bollocks as best punk record.

    Perhaps he's not "punk" per se but Graham Parker is still making great records after 30 years.

    Of course just my 2c.
     
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  40. Shaolin

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  41. tricky

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    Gof4 would be post-punk, as would Joy Division. Other seminal post-punk and CBGB acts include

    Wire. (If you like Elastica, you'll LOVE Wire!)
    Television (if you like U2 or Echo and the Bunnymen, check where Edge got his sound from)
    Suicide (if you like Placebo's more "experimental" side, check where they got that sound from)
    Killing Joke
    Richard Hell / Voidoids
    Nick Drake / Birthday Party
    Cure
    Souxie

    If like Gang of Four a lot, definitely check out dance-punk bands like The Liars, Chik Chik Chik (!!!), and the Rapture.

    As for original question, it's tough to determine what is the "Greatest Punk Band Ever." Punk music originated from the States. Punk culture originated from the UK. Same argument is made with techno. House originated from Chicago; techno originated from Detroit. However, warehouse raver culture mostly originated from the UK.

    The Sex Pistols were conceived by Malcolm McLaren as an agitpop cartoon, essentially the first punk "boy band." But, this is not a unique phenomenon in British rock culture. You also have Joy Division, Smiths, Stone Roses, the entire Britpop generation, the Streets/Dizzee Rascal -- all who established various fashion and class-zeitgeist precedents in very specific and sizable chunks of the rock timeline. The difference is that the Pistols fashion statement exploded in the States and the rest of the world. Everybody spits; everybody fakes Brit accents; everybody wears their safety spins. John Lyndon's proud of the music, but he still thought the kids got it all wrong.

    The problem with citing the Clash as greatest punk band of all time is that, by concensus of the late-70s punk community, they only made one "real punk" record. Joe Strummer's accent itself was even viewed with suspicion. Their 2nd record Give Em Enough Rope was produced by Blue Oyster Cult's guy. London Calling and Sandinista were way too diverse to be considered "punk." They never really made another song like White Riot.

    The problem with citing the Ramones as Greatest Ever is the music they made would be considered "junior high/bubblegum punk" today.

    The problem with citing the NY Dolls is that, the hair metal of the 80s also (rightfully) claims lineage to the NY Dolls.

    The problem with citing the MC5, Stooges or the Velvet Underground as Greatest Punk Band Ever is that, well few of the punk bands were directly influenced by these bands. The Ramones were influenced by surf music and girl groups. VU's influence came by way of CBGB. Iggy Pop was a key inspiration for many early punk acts, but not so much the primitive fuzz blues that his band actually played. Post-punk is when you really started to hear the VU and Stooges influences come through.

    All these bands were important, but it's like asking who is the greatest hip-hop MC of all time.
     
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  42. Dedans Penthouse

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    Nice post tricky.
    And speaking of MC, then there were the bands that influenced a lot of punk bands; bands such as the MC5.
    :cool: ---"kick out the jams"
     
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  43. SlapShot

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    3 pages and no mention of Bad Religion? Shame on you all.

    Bad Religion, NoFX, The Descendants/All, etc.
     
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  44. 9000tennis

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    Didn't Nick Drake die in 74?
    And don't you mean Nick Cave?
    If you do, then I agree. He's amazing. I just read a book about him and the birthday party.
     
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    Actually, I mentioned them in my post response # 17, on the first page or this post. I'm glad that someone agrees with me. Bad Religion was pivitol in ushering punk from the 80's into the 90's, especially the american punk movement.
     
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    Good catch. That teaches me to post when I'm half awake . :D

    I'm personally not a big fan of Bad Religion, though I've seen them live. They were really, really popular where I grew up. But at the same time, people were also interested in NoFX, Descendants, the Vandals, Social Distortion, Suicidal Tendencies, etc. It's just part of the SoCal skater punk culture. American punk is electric folk music -- it is the sound of its local community.

    If I had to pick greatest 90s punk band, it would probably be either Fugazi or Sleater Kinney. If I had to pick 80s band, it would be either X or Black Flag. Few bands wrote about LA as well as X; whereas Black Flag and especially Greg Zinn mixed Sabbath sludge with asymmetrical,atonal jazz riffs. But, then again, I'm only speaking of this neck of the woods. Somebody from New York or DC or Seattle will have their most significant bands ever.
     
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  47. SlapShot

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    I missed that one. My bad.

    And you are correct. Without BR, the entire 90's skate punk scene would not have existed. They took Black Flag and made it accessable and intelligent.
     
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  48. SlapShot

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    That is an EXCELLENT quote. Probably one of the best I've heard in reference to punk.

    In honor of electric folk music, I'll also nominate Minneapolis' own Husker Du.
     
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    Well said. I don't think people believe that Bad Religion could be considered intelligent. Griffen is a very bright lyricist and writer. Also, I don't think people understand that Bad Religion actually started in the late late 70's early 80's. So they actually go back quite a ways. I think dubbing Bad Religion as just a 90's skater punk band doesn't give them the credit they deserve. Without them, there probably wouldn't be great bands like Vandals, Offspring, and other bands that were under the Epitaph label.
     
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