Who is the Greatest Wimbledon player of all time?

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Who is the Wimbledon GOAT?

  1. Roger Federer

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  2. Pete Sampras

    20.7%
  3. Both have an equally good claim

    13.8%
  4. Can't say one way or the other

    1.7%
  5. Have to wait till Federer retires to be certain

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  1. Prisoner of Birth

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    I just explained it. Are you partially blind?

    I don't care what he said or what you heard. I watched the match and I thought Roddick played a better match. And I'm disinclined to go to the trouble of explaining my claim to a partially blind fella like yourself.
     
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  2. mandy01

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    IMO What Borg did, winning FO and Wimbledon back-to-back, with SUCH polarized surfaces is one of the greatest feats EVER. I know the question is about "Wimbledon" but the way Borg was able to adapt from clay to grass is remarkable.

    Between Roger and Sampras, imo it's closer than it looks. Many of the so-called great players which were supposedly a part of Pete's era RARELY faced him. Federer did lose to Nadal in the finals but I think what he was able to do last year sort of makes up for it. Put in an a time of faster grass courts, it wouldn't take Roger a whole lot of time to adapt given the fact that he's already demonstrated his ability to do so.
     
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  3. Mustard

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    Speculating? No. Everything I said there was fact.
     
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  4. TMF

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    Mustard,
    Nadal is widely considered the greatest cc of all time. Yet, due to the split fields during the pre-open era, the pro players weren't allow to compete at the FO either. But you're fine with Nadal's goat title on clay because you are his fan. Funny you don't give Federer the same recognition on grass.
     
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  5. TMF

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    Fact ?

    Did they win 7 modern Wimbledon, NO!

    I can say Rosewall isn't the greatest pro major winners because players after 1967 weren't allow to compete because these 3 pro majors doesn't exist anymore. See how it's unfair to Rosewall? Now be fair to the players in the open era.:mad:
     
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    He does accept Federer as the Wimbledon GOAT. He just hasn't said it straight, that's all :)
     
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  7. TMF

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    I don't see what's the problem. I'm not a Nadal fan but I'm fine with him being a cc goat because he deserve it. I considered Serena as the best server of all time. And everyone know how I feel about Serena's outburst and her behavior.
     
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  8. Prisoner of Birth

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    To be fair, Nadal is so much better on Clay than Federer is on Grass. Federer's GOAT-hood can be debated but not Nadal's.
     
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  9. TMF

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    Yes, with Sampras, but not the players from the pre-open era.
     
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  10. Prisoner of Birth

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    Yes, true.
     
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  11. Mustard

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    They didn't have the chance to. Laver was 29 and Gonzales was 40 at the time of the first open Wimbledon in 1968.

    Rosewall couldn't play in the mainstream majors for nearly 12 years. Soon after winning the 1956 US Championships at Forest Hills, he turned professional. The next mainstream major he was able to play in was the 1968 French Open at Roland Garros, an event he also won.
     
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  12. forzamilan90

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    You know who I am going to say.
     
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  13. helloworld

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    Lucas Rosol?
     
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  14. forzamilan90

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    William Renshaw baby!
     
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    So it's also unfair to claim then that Nadal is the CC GOAT, right? For all we know Rosewall might have been better.
     
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  16. Hood_Man

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    Милко Калайджиев won Wimbledon?
     
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  17. 90's Clay

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    Pete of course,

    7 wimbledon titles in 8 years from 1993-2000 vs. a much stronger grass field then Roger (2003-2012)

    Goran,Agassi,Courier,Becker,Rafter,Kraijcek, Pioline etc.. >>>Roddick,Hewitt, Baby Nadal, Djokovic,Berdych, Tsonga Murray etc.
     
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    7 Wimbledon titles and 8 finals plus a better win percentage. Much stronger field than Pete as well.

    Much easier for the majority of top players to transition to grass these days, no need for "specialists" ;)
     
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  19. forzamilan90

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    No, but his cousin John Newcombe did
     
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    Greatest: Fed.

    Who would win at peak if they played each other: too close to call, although I veer towards Sampras.
     
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    Pioline and Rafter? I'm not even going to bother to explain how Nadal, Djokovic, Roddick and Hewitt are superior grasscourters. Goran was a choking nutcase.

    Becker? Well at least you named someone that slightly supports your premise.

    The only other guy who is a better grasscourter and someone who would slap the **** out of anyone from the modern era on grass was Krajicek, although it seems with immense talent comes consistent injuries.
     
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    Borg,Laver and Sampras old grass, Federer actual grass.
     
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    What do you mean by actual grass? The old grass is supposed to be "Actual grass", not green clay that we have now.
     
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    right, bad expression.Current grass is hilarious green clay court, while true grass was before XXI century
     
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  25. Mustard

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    Unpredictable is the word. He was also capable of playing his opponent off the court, like he did to Sampras in the 1992 Wimbledon semi finals. Goran won that match 6-7, 7-6, 6-4, 6-2, serving 36 aces and not even facing a break point in the entire match. That was before the All England Club softened the tennis balls in 1995.
     
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  26. mental midget

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    people talk like half the tour was played on grass in the 90's. what exactly is a 'grass court specialist'? since the AO switched to hc in '88 there are, what, 2 or 3 grass tourneys a year? nobody has 'specialized' on grass for decades.

    if by grass court specialist we mean big servers with bad returns and mediocre ground games then yeah, pete's era gets the nod.
     
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  27. Anaconda

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    Goran was a choker, period. One match here and their doesn't prove otherwise. Else we could say Nalbandian's occasional dominant performance allows him to bypass 'choke' status.




    Sampras' ROS wasn't bad, he didn't play tiebreaks 24/7 against the best servers, his forehand especially on the run was deadly.
     
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  28. kiki

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    Many more.Like Stich.Becker.Edberg.
     
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    Hahahaha No not THAT Roger Taylor!:):):)) (I wonder how many on this board even knows who that is?)

    Awesome how fast you found that pic and posted. Well done.


    And an answer to the OP is: tennis God B BORG!
     
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    Wills,Lambert,Graff,Court,Navratilova...and BJK
     
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  31. TMF

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    And Laver's 1969 GS means nothing to the modern players because they don't have a chance to compete on 2 surfaces. :-D
     
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    John McEnroe or Laver at their best would have to be considered. McEnroe's 1984 final match against Connors was incredible.

    Pancho Gonzalez never won Wimbledon but he may very well be the guy you pick to win a Wimbledon final if your life was on the line when he was at his best.
     
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    Just admit it, you just put that in because you like to write the name John Newcombe.:)
     
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    If Goran was serving well at the old Wimbledon courts, I don't know if there was much his opponents could do be stay even with him at best. Didn't Pat Cash say when Goran was serving for his Wimbledon title that it was all about Goran now or something like that. I took that to mean that there was nothing much Rafter could do if Goran had a good serving game. Goran didn't have a good serving game but still won the game and Wimbledon....somehow.
     
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    Sorry TMF, but the grass-courts of Brisbane, Wimbledon and Forest Hills were all considerably different.
     
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  36. TMF

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    "If you want to be a tennis player, then mould yourself on Roger Federer. I won three Wimbledon titles and I wish I could play like him."
    -John McEnroe
     
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    They're still Grass. The USO and AO surfaces are different but Djokovic is better at the USO than he is at Wimbledon.
     
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    did Federer and all the modern players get the chance to play with the same condition as you stated? The answer is NO. So if you want to devalue all Fed's Wimbledons achievements, then you must do the same for Laver's 69 GS.

    Stop the double standard.
     
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    I don't see how anyone can mould themselves on Federer's game. Federer is just way too talented for mere mortals.

    The 1969 Australian Open in Brisbane had very hot weather, naturally in Queensland, so the conditions were high bouncing for a grass-court. Wimbledon's grass was lower bouncing due to less dry conditions, while Forest Hills' grass was very muddy, where the ball barely bounced at all.

    Besides, Laver won the biggest titles on all surfaces in 1969, so why some people keep going on about 3 of the 4 majors being on grass is a mystery.

    I'm not devaluing Federer's achievements.
     
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    Sampras. And I am a Federer fan.
     
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    Doesn't matter if Laver won the biggest titles on all surfaces. He still had to win 3 of his Grand Slams on Grass. Surfaces are more than about just pace and bounce. If Plexicushion was Grass, with the same bounce and speed, Djokovic wouldn't be the same player on it. He'd have 2 Slams there at best.
     
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    yeah yeah, same old weak list of players.

    Courier, the guy who made ONE grass final in his entire career? The guy who never made a slam final after 1993?

    Rafter, a guy who never got past the 4th round of a slam til 1997? The guy who only made it past the 4th round of a slam 7 times in his whole career? A dude like that today would be lucky to win even one slam, the fact he got 2 in the 90s proves it was weak cos Pete actually let him win 2 slams.

    Pioline? LMFAO. Krajicek? Mr Fluke? He got to the semis of a slam 4 times in his entire career.

    Becker? The guy who had made 6 out of his 7 Wimbledon finals by the time Sampras even won Wimbledon, and had won his first title 8 years before Sampras. Oh yeah sure, he was really in his prime.How many Wimbledon finals did you expect someone to make before their best days were behind them? What 32 or something? Yeah sure man, Becker made 2 slams finals post 91.. the dude was obviously prime.

    Agassi. Yeah great player. On grass? not so much. Dude never even won queens (which baby Hewitt did vs Sampras) leaving Wimby 92 as a surprising one off. Which he won because he faced...

    Goran. The head case. Who was such a headcase, God had to intervene in 2001 to finally give him a slam.

    Let's face it, all the grass specialists were useless at winning slams, and all the slam winners were useless on grass. Pete had it made. At least now grass has been altered enough that any top slam winning player can win on it (Djokovic, Nadal etc) Federer is actually unlucky, because given 90s grass, He'd be on 8 or more Wimbledons at this point. Roddick would probabaly have been the only gu who would have beaten him, doing a Krajicek.
     
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  43. Mustard

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    A very odd thing to say.

    Yes true, but all with different conditions, unless you think the grass of Brisbane is like the grass of Forest Hills?

    Surely that reflects badly on Djokovic, if anything at all?
     
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  44. Prisoner of Birth

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    Not at all.

    Wouldn't Djokovic be more likely to get a CYGS if 3 of the 4 Slams were on (different) Hards?

    No. It just shows you players have preferences.
     
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    its a winning name, you got comb in the last name, and the dude had a mustache. I bet you he had a mustache comb.
     
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    Winning the best titles on all surfaces in a calendar year, and you say it doesn't matter?

    Obviously he'd be more likely. But would he be more likely to win the best titles on all surfaces?
     
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    Doesn't matter in terms of the CYGS. That's what we're talking about here, right?

    Again, we're talking about the CYGS. Nothing else. Djokovic wouldn't need to win all the big titles on all surfaces; just the Slams.
     
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  48. TMF

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    Mustard, if you acknowledge Laver's 69 GS is the greatest season in history, then you must be consistent by acknowledging Fed's Wimbledon's domination is the greatest in history. If you don't, then you're biased(double standard).
     
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    I'd say either Vinnie Jones or Dennis Wise. Although big Fashanu would also be in with a shout.
     
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    Statiscally, Federer is the best at Wimbledon in history. But as I've mentioned in this thread already, tennis history is complicated when a GOAT candidate like Gonzales was only able to play Wimbledon once before he was 40 years old, and someone like Tilden would have had to travel by boat to Europe every year and obviously didn't as the USLTA expected his non-American challengers to cross continents to go to Tilden instead.
     
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