Who is the most important male player ever.

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Who is the most important male player ever.

  1. Lew Hoad

    2.1%
  2. Ken Rosewall

    3.1%
  3. Rod Laver

    13.5%
  4. Arthur Ashe

    11.5%
  5. Jimmy Connors

    13.5%
  6. Bjorn Borg

    21.9%
  7. John Mcenroe

    6.3%
  8. Andre Agassi

    7.3%
  9. Pete Sampras

    7.3%
  10. Roger Federer

    46.9%
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  1. Limpinhitter

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    And Tilden, who is listed at 6'2" 185lbs., would be about 135lbs. The point is that Dan Lobb's premises are pure fantasy. He seems to make this stuff up just to be a troll. He began with the nonesense that the name "Little Bill" Johnston was given to him because he was too small to compete against the best players. Not only was he the #1 player in the world for several years, he wasn't that little, as can be seen in the photo of him standing next to "Big Bill" Tilden.
     
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  2. Dan Lobb

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    Where did you get the idea that I made it up? That is a pure fantasy.
    Again, if you haven't already done so (and I think you have, but won't admit it), check the ITHF website, click on Johnston's official biography, and there in black and white are the fatal numbers 120 (as in one, two, zero).
    Nothing mysterious or sinister here, just a plain old undeniable fact, as hard to digest as it appears to be for Tildenphiles.
     
  3. Dan Lobb

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    Where is Tilden listed as 185 lbs.? (Apart from the Wikipedia article) The ITHF website lists him as 6' 2", but makes no mention of 185 lbs.
    As Hoodjem pointed out, he certainly doesn't look 185, with his slender build.
    Interestingly, Kramer, Savitt, and Stan Smith are all listed as 185 pounds, perhaps they were emulating the official weight of Tilden!
     
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  4. Dan Lobb

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    I have just looked up the ESPN Top 100 athletes, voted on by a "distinguished" panel of journalists, and the top tennis players are,

    1) Tilden
    2) Sampras
    3) Connors

    and the women
    1) Navratilova
    2) Evert

    Does this ranking have any semblance to reality? Or is it merely a reflection of media hype? I would vote for the latter.
     
  5. treblings

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    Johnstons weight is irrelevant.
    He was what he was, and achieved what he achieved
    regardless of his weight.
     
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    This is very true. However, there has been much consternation over the fact that he is listed at 120 pounds.
    Most commentators here seem to think that such a weight would put him at a disadvantage against larger players such as Williams or Tilden, both of whom outlasted Johnston in long, five-set US Championship finals in 1916, 1920, and 1922.
    Connors himself said that relatively small tennis players (he included himself in that category) had to work harder to match the hitting strength of larger players, although many large players are at a disadvantage in flexibility and speed.
     
  7. kiki

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    3, Brugnon was just a doubles player.

    Kodes was the first eastern player to win a big title, so he must be among the most influential player list.
     
  8. robow7

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    Were these only American athletes? If not, how can you leave off Graf for the women, would then be a clue as it being totally worthless.
     
  9. pc1

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    Delete. Ten characters.
     
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  10. urban

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    That espn list was purely on US athletes.
     
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    Federer basically plays a steroided up version of prime Lendl’s game. The 80s and 90s were dominated by serve and volley players and Lendl paved the way for aggressive baseliners like Agassi, Courier and Federer.

    on the womens side Seles for sure paved the way for the modern WTA game.
     
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  12. treblings

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    double-handed on both sides:confused:
     
  13. Limpinhitter

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    The 80's and 90's were pretty equally dominated by the ground and net game. Connors, Borg, Lendl, Agassi, Courier, Chang, Muster, Bruguera, and a legion of clay court specialists dominated much of tennis for those two decades.

    As for Seles, she played a game that current WTA players only wish they could play.
     
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    I´d say that split starts in the 1970´s.Although there were more all round players in the 70´s than in the 80´s, IMO.
     

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