Who is the true #1 ?

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  1. Simon Cowell

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    There should be a new ranking system or something, because Nadal is quite clearly the best player in the world and it's only a matter of time before he captures the # 1 slot.
     
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  2. Viper

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    They should make a new system that shows the stupidity of people. I don't know what'd Roger would say but I think you'd be in the top 10.
     
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  4. SocalTennis

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    You would be in there too for your "intelligent answer"
     
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  5. Simon Cowell

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    1-6, 6-1, 6-4, 7-6 (4), Now go cry in the corner.
     
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  6. vicnan

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    This is a funny thread.

    - an outrageously funny starting post
    - a funny put down in the second post
    - and a hilarious quote from Roger
     
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  7. Viper

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    Oh wow, you posted a score. Thats gonna change my mind reeealll quick.
     
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  8. Gilgamesh

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    Nadal should be #1 on tour after the FO but Fed will be seeded #1 at Wimbleton and most likely reclaim his #1 tour position by the end of the year considering his usual dominance on grass and hardcourts.

    Fed is the better overall player but Nadal has beaten Fed four times this season and has equaled Fed's # of GS victories and surpassed Fed's # of tournament victories for the season.

    It is one of those unsual circumstances when a #1 on tour isn't really the #1 player in the world.

    Of course if Nadal can win more tournaments other than on clay he would further legitimize the argument that he should be #1 on the tour and in public perception.
     
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  9. bluescreen

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    just because rafa can beat federer doesnt mean he's the world's #1. federer is definately the best on grass and hard court. afterall, federer's only losses lately have come from rafa, while nadal has lost to others, namely james blake.
     
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  10. bluedecember

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    Nadal is one of the best but not quite the best yet...i think the hype caused fed to loose focus of the issue at hand...he is obssesed with his place in history and his legacy...very disappointed by his unforced errors....but like it or not..he still is the best by a long shot,,,,
     
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  11. vicnan

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    We've had 2 majors and each player has won one, plus a few other tournaments. May be we should [wait] till the end of the year, or at least [until] all 4 majors are done before saying who is #1.
     
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  12. andyroddick's mojo

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    fed is better overall
    when nadal starts winning like federer on grass and hard courts, then we'll see.
     
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  13. Viper

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    Let's not make me look ignorant though. Nadal is a monster on clay simple as that. He deserved to win his match today, and I congradulate him doing so. But an excelent clay season won't make up for a terrible grass one, and his trouble in the other majors. Roger has a consistancy and can make the semis and finals easily. Roger also has the slam results to keep him in the no1 sport for a while. I'm not saying that Rafa will NEVER be no.1. But winning this match didn't prove to me that he's gonna fulfill the spot right now.
     
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  14. RiosTheGenius

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    ok ... so I guess based on this Nalbandian should have been #1 in December when he won the masters cup and Johansson too in 2002 when he "dominated the tour" for two weeks in australia.

    threads like this is why they should ban teenagers from this forum
     
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  15. K-kita

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    Who cares about the grass? that's a **** of surface.
     
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  16. slice bh compliment

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    Fedi is ahead by a lot of ATP ranking points based on 52 weeks. If this were a race, ytd, it would be awfully close: one slam each, two Master Series each. A couple of small tournament wins each. Roger over Rafa, since Rafa had a semi loss to Clement, a semi loss to Blake and an early round loss to Moya. Rogi has only lost in finals: to Rafa 4 times.

    So if there were no points system like in the old days...and sportswriters did the rankings, I believe Rafa would sit at no. 1 right now.

    But the year is only half over.
     
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  17. rhubarb

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    On year to date, it's 772 to 583, so not really that close. Don't forget that Federer has got to the final of *all* his events this year.
     
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    Nadal is the best this year so far, but there is a lot of tennis left to be played.
     
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  19. JayxTheKoolest

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    So is clay IMO....
     
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  20. Simon Cowell

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    Rios never won a slam, Gonzalez and Massu never will either! LOL! They lost to the U.S. too in Davis Cup. Damn that must suck! Chile's not even in the world cup either!!
     
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  21. malakas

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    WTF???What that has to do with anything??:confused:
    If you try to offend Chile on the basis of sport success then ...I am afraid you will be very dissapointed to know that chile's football is considered much more important and better than USA's..
     
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  22. RiosTheGenius

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    :lol: .... you are bringing all these things up... ( irrelevancies as for what we're talking about)... thinking that I 'd be deeply offended.

    I think you just made an *** of yourself and made your countrymen look REALLY good . carry on
     
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  23. Simon Cowell

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    Chile's football team, I mean soccer team, is not even in the world cup! LOL, for being such a "great football nation", Chile can't even qualify for the world cup. What are they ranked in FIFA by the way? Isn't the USA ranked 4th? That's far above anywhere Chile is..and Soccer isn't even a big deal in the U.S. yet they are still better than Chile. Man that must hurt!
     
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  24. malakas

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    hahaha!!Sorry to say it,but you are very ignorant about football.First of all..according to coca cola fifa rankings USA is ranked 4 and Germany 26!You see according to these rankings it matters much more the number of wins you have in contrary to the importance of your opponents..That's why the USA team is ranked so high.To me USA should be ranked around 30..But they are going to cancel these rankings anyway..
    Also,many good teams haven't qualified for the mundial.And it is pretty normal as the teams compete for qualifier groups in geographical zones.Now,in Europe and in South America there are many more teams and many good teams in the same group but they are not going in the mundial in the end.For example Turkey and Greece..
    Also,for footbal not being a big sport in USA,well ..that's your choise..You are the ones who miss all the fun!;)
     
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  25. Honestlybad

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    Nadal - definitely the best in the world ON CLAY.
    Federer - the world's best player.

    I think Nadal is also better mentally than Fed. I don't think he will do very well on grass thaough. Third round would be a big sucess for him at Wimbeldon. Roger is great EVERYWHERE.
     
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  26. RiosTheGenius

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    when you qualify playing against Trinidad and Tobago, Honduras, Costa Rica , and Guatemala.... and you have 4 spots to the cup.... c'mon now
    while for the same number of spots we get to play argentina, Brasil, Uruguay, Paraguay... all solid teams

    you're a real cagón by the way.
     
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  27. blake's fan

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    Exactly!Nadal is the best on clay but this doesn't make him the best tennis player!To be the best you must be numer 1 on all surfaces or at least on half of them and that is certainly Federer at the moment!
     
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  28. federerhoogenbandfan

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    We will see in this World Cup that the U.S is no World #4. The rankings are a joke in soccer.

    You are also right on Turkey and Greece. The World Cup bronze medalists in 2002 and Euro Cup Champs of 2004 are not even going! That says something.
     
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  29. oscar_2424

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    He still has to improve on lawn and hardcourts, but i think he has game to become the number 1, but as today the number one spot belongs to Federer
     
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    Federer is #1 on grass, #1 on hardcourts, #1 on carpet, and #2 on clay.

    Nadal is #1 on clay, #2-4 on hardcourts and carpet, and #93 on grass.

    Who's the true number one?
     
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  31. Zeph

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    You are a ****** simon.

    Nadal has yet to win a major besides the french.

    Once nadal has won all three other majors like fed i may agree.
     
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    This is correct and indefensible.
    People are maybe a bit caught up in the moment and have forgotten all the other results that are required to be number one.
     
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  33. Koaske

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    Nadal may be the best clay court player but he does get beaten on hard courts and especially on grass. On the other hand Federer reaches the finals of every tournament no matter what the surface. If Nadal can't do well in Wimbledon, it's going to be hard for him to get enough points to get past Federer.
     
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    The best player in the world? I'm sure you've only watched this year's FO and jumped to conclusion. Ok he beat Federer this year again. Now after Wimbledon, hardcourt season starts and Nadal's gotta prove he can get some wins there too. Undoubtedly, Nadal's the king of clay. However, not so impressive on hardcourt...lost to James Blake twice at 2005 USO and 2006 PacificLife. I wonder if he can beat Roddick on hardcourt. Hehe...
     
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    definitely right man!
     
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    Your post makes no sense in that one second you are calling for a different system, then in the same breath you are saying Nadal will overtake Federer in that same system given time. :rolleyes:

    The reason Federer is ranked #1 has notihng to do with his recent head to head record agasinst Nadal, which represents only a small number of the matches either of them play during the course of a year.
     
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    6-0 6-0 6-0 on wimby..............................oh damn i forgot, NADAL WONT GO FURTHER THAN 2ND ROUND!!!!!!!
     
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  38. tlm

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    Nadal has 2 GS at 20 years old,that is 2 more than fed had at that age.The next 6 years will be interesting.
     
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  39. bluescreen

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    yes he has 2 majors won already, but only on clay. he really doesnt have a realistic chance at winning any other slam right now, so let him get his roland garros win every year while fed gets his 2-3.
     
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    Anyone who can't see that Nadal can definitely win the Australian Open is a looney
     
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    Dont forget Peru!!:)
     
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    Cagón y Pechofrío, indeed :)
     
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    I believe that nadal can win the AO,which by the way fed was lucky nadal was injured this year.I also believe nadal can win the us open,i dont think he can win on the grass.

    Lets see how the us open series goes this summer,i have a feeling nadal is going to make a big move up.
     
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  44. d_frank

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    Grass is better than clay ;)
     
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    Re: the 2006 Oz Open -- Injuries are part of the gig. Good thing the kid healed up nicely. The past two months have been amazing.

    I agree Nadal will gain good ground in North America and even on the indoor courts in Madrid and Paris this fall. Then there's Shanghai. If both guys stay healthy there may be up to 8 or 9 Fed/Nadal matches this year!

    At what point would the public get bored of these two?
     
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  46. tlm

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    I dont think the public will get bored of these two,because now there is someone to challenge fed.

    The last few years of fed having no competition is what is boring.
     
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    But Fed will have no competition for the rest of the year most likely, which pretty much puts the so called "rivalry" on hold until the Aussie Open next year, if Nadal doesn't injure himself again.
     
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    LMAO this you say during the claycourt season. Now we move to the grass and hardcourt season and we won't be seeing you and this topic much. ;)
     
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    I'm afraid all the Nadal-Fed rivalry hype only adds to people getting bored more quickly with a matchup that has happened only 7 times over the last 3 years -- in each and every tournament that they both participate in, the talk about their match begins even before the first round, and thus the overwhelming amount of "these two" everywhere :)
     
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  50. The Pusher Terminator

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    Actually what happens in each and every tournamemnt that they participate in Nadal almost always wins.
     
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