Who says Federer has good volleys?

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  1. flyer

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    I really don't think he has anything better than maybe slightly above average, and Im not only talking about today against Monfils (although nis net game was nothing short of atrocious today), over the last year I don't think he has had a great net game, she nets, frames, or botches an overhead kind of a lot. How did he get this reputation of having such a great volley, between him and Nadal I would say Nadal has the better net game, logic says know but in reality he does
     
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  2. superstition

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    Federer is the best volleyer of the singles specialists on tour now.
     
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    I think so too.. Federer net game consider good comparing to all of the baseliners but compare to Rafter, Samprase, Edberg, Becker... I don't think he even comes close. On the other hands, his ground strokes & transition games are consider the best. I think Federer realize it too that's why he chose to stay back more often. He said in one of his interview that he cut down the unforce errors by using his baseline games but in order to get Nadal tomorrow, I think he just go for it.. Playing fearless, go for broke then jump to the net.. Don't hung around with Nadal.. either hit or miss then jump to the net as fast as he can.. This is the only way he has some chance against Nadal..
     
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  4. flyer

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    Just like every other one of your posts: you make a statement but have no content
     
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    There was an interesting comment about this during the match on tv. That Roger is a great volleyer who is somewhat sloppy because he doesn't get to volley enough.

    But I kind of chuckled at that. There is no such thing as an inherently good volleyer. You're good when you get the practice in, when you volley consistently and when the results show it.

    Roger isn't a great volleyer. Maybe he could have been in another era. Probably.
     
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    I think Federer's volley was subpar in his match against Monfils. I have seen much better volleys from him... remember last year's Wimbledon's final? He played so well at the net that time.

    He has great volley, but he doesn't use it that often so when he uses it, its abit rusty.
     
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  7. superstition

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    The statement has content. It's up to you to read it.
     
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  8. flyer

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    no it doesn't but w/e
     
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    No, he isn't.
     
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    geez so much hate.. i mean, it's a forum, no one has to prove anything when it's just a personal opinion..
     
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    Fed Has A Great S&v Game I Think, He's Showed It Against Sampras In Wimbledon A Couple Of Years Ago, It's Just That He's Not Using It Too Often That's Probably The Reason His S&v Game Deteriorated, In Tournaments He Is Playing Today His S&v Looked Subpar.....
     
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    That is hilarious. Nadal has a better net game than Roger. I'm going to explain to you why this is far from true. Roger actually "serves" and then "volleys". Nadal hits shots that are virtually winners and then volleys. Have Nadal actually serve and volley and compare to Federer and we'll see who has the better volleys.
     
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    Federer serves and volleys into the net, he also approaches and volleys into the net, or slams into the net, Federer very rarely even serves and volleys, Nadal was at net more than Roger at Wimby last year, still Nadal makes dificult volleys very often, just compare the matches today, I know its only one match from each player but consider the competition and seriously think about what you see, not to mention Nadal is the better doubles player...weird isn't it
     
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  14. BreakPoint

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    I'm not quite sure why you think that because I saw Federer hit some pretty good volleys against Monfils today, especially the three volleys on three different points in that last game of the match to break Monfils and win the match for him.
     
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  15. BreakPoint

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    Federer has 7 doubles titles, Nadal only has 4. How does that make Nadal a better doubles player? :confused:
     
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    Federer is has one of the best volleys on the singles tour. Nobody in the top 10 comes to mind with better volleys. Everyone is more about playing on the baseline in today's game.
     
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    Have you seen Nadal play doubles? He doesn't even serve and volley when he plays doubles. Unless he has changed his tactics recently I recall seeing him and his doubles partner at the baseline when playing doubles. Seriously, when was the last time you've seen Nadal serve and volley. I can bet you that if Nadal was to do the same his volleys wouldn't seem so spectacular.
     
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    In some points of the match, between the 2nd and 3rd set, he lost confidence of that shot because he missed quite a few easy volleys.
     
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    I don't know where you're getting this all from, because Federer has some of the best volleys in today's game. There are only one or two names that would go ahead of his.
     
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    you make good points and actually back your points up with substance which is more than about 90% of the posters so i commend you on that

    still i think Nadal can not serve and volley because his serve is far to weak, you need a good serve in order to serve and volley, thats why he doesn't do it, not because he has a bad net game, he has the volley but not the serve, so comparing a federer serve and volley against a nadal serve and volley will not determine who has the better volley because Federers serve is so much better
     
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    Check out Federer's match against Gonzo at last year's TMC, AO 2007, etc. Those were tournaments where Federer came in a lot, and volleyed with great finesse and poise.

    Even more impressive are his old Wimbledon matches, circa 2001-2003. Serving and volleying a lot.

    Also check out his doubles matches. There's one on youtube with him and Wawrinka vs Nadal & Moya at Rome iirc. Some of the net play Federer did was jaw-droppingly good.
     
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  22. edberg505

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    Good point. And Point taken. Maybe eventually he will beef up his serve and prove me wrong.
     
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    I agree with this. He is one of the best but isn't the absolute best. Guys like Stephanek and even Hewitt just edge infront.
     
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    To me, Federer's the best volleyer on tour. Apart from his early Wimbledon days, he's played some incredible Davis Cup doubles matches where he just completely dominates with his net play.

    In the past 5 years or so, the only person who's been as good of a volleyer as Fed was probably Henman.
     
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    I disagree. Roger is a very good volleyer, and you actually stated your opinion on yesterdays match against Monfils (I agree his net game was terrible). I think his backhand volley is one of the best on the tour, and he rarely botches an overhead. Only little "weakness" is his forehand volley sometimes.

    But to say Nadal has the better net game is bullsh!t, plain and simple.
     
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    Winning almost 80% of net points is far from atrocious.I've watched many matches from both Federer and Nadal and while I think Nadal's net skill are underrated by some I still think Federer has better volleys,Nadal has good touch but he's probably the best baseliner today and only goes to finish the points at the net when the approach shot is perfect,you rarely see him hit any hard volleys at all.Also Fed did win 2003 WImbledon playing s & V and many people were amazed by his touch at the net including greats like Becker so he proved his net skills there.You've been wathicng too much today's baseline tennis,when a player comes to the net 60-70 times in a match he's gonna miss some volleys even the easy ones I don't care even if you're Rafter or Sampras,this guys are human not robots.Also IMO Fed's overhead is one of the best if not the best in the game at the moment.
     
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    I totally agree! I almost never see Federer blow an overhead and he always puts the ball away on the first overhead because he places it so well and with good power. I think Federer and Roddick have the two best overheads in the game right now.
     
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    I cannot believe this thread. How soon we forget. Go and watch Sampras vs Fed 2001 this was before Fed became, well Fed. He served and volleyed on every 1st serve and most 2nd serves. Go and watch those volleys, 7 years ago. These days courts have been slowed down and its not so easy. But make no mistake, technically Fed volleys as well as anyone.
     
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    the only reason this topic exists is because he dumped a few in the net against monfils.
     
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    no way hewitt is a better volleyer than fed. And I'm biased to because I'm a hewitt fan.
     
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    That's all it takes to stir up doubt.
     
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    I am pretty sure his volleying skills are good. Make no mistake Flyer, when he is on he can volley with style but two facts contribute to this - usually volleying to finish of a greatly contructed point or after one of the big serves. Then he volleys easily and with style and it looks as natural as you get. The very fact that his footwork is great and his volleys look like the thing of beauty is contributing to the theory of him as a great volleyer. Compared to the s&v legions of the 90's he is pretty average but compared to other players these days he is way above average. As I said when you are Federer and when you play like he does, your volleys are bound to look amasing, slicing to a desperate floater someone threw at you.
     
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    Exactly. The courts are slower than what they used to be. Playing on a faster surface is highly recommended when S&V.
     
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  34. West Coast Ace

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    But you bring this up after this match - in which he made plenty of horrific errors - but also hit some pretty great volleys too. Sorry, nice try. You're either a Sampras or (more likely) Nadal fanboy...
     
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    Whenever one of the big guys has a bad they in a particular department, he's suddenly bad. I don't know if Roger has the best volleys in the game, but theyre certainly good. Sure, he missed some awful ones against Monfils, but put away quite some beauties as well. Think the Roger of 2005-2006 would be no. 1 in the world even if he served and volleyed every first and half the points on second.
     
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    Im always very impartial in my analysis, you obviously did not read the thread to begin with and assumed because I did address your concerns
     
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  37. BeHappy

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    Federer WON a grandslam, (Wimby 2003), serving and volleying 65% of the time.

    OWNED!
     
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    Yes,Federer has better overhead,serve and volleys then Nadal,it's not even a contest IMO but you gotta remember this is clays season and FO so Federer is talked about like he's a challenger level player and Nadal is a GOD(next thing you know someone will say that Nadal has a better serve then Sampras).
     
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    You must be kidding me. Of those four, only Edberg has better volleys that Federer.Fed does everything, including volleys, better than Rafter, Sampras , and Becker.
     
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    all 3 definitely had better volleys than Federer, there's just no comparison.
     
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    How do you explain Federer beating Sampras at his own S&V game at Wimbledon?
     
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    Federer played the match of his life up till then, Sampras was not great and was not getting any better in 2001. Besides that I think Roger's returns and winners from the baseline made more of a difference than his volleying compared to Pete's
     
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    Titles don't mean everything; Nadal has a major doubles title and Federer doesn't if I'm not mistakened.
     
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    except for the glaring fact that roger beat sampras (arguably one of the best s/v players of all time), by serving and volleying.
    why dont you look up stuff once in a while
     
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    A crazy claim is a crazy claim - no matter how many backpedals you did after the fact when the tsunami of laughter came. How could you not expect the response? Timing is everything. Sampras hit plenty of groaners over the years - but always had the serve to get out of trouble. Fed had a bunch of lame ones yesterday - he still won. Scoreboard!

    Yes. But possibly only because they had to be. In their time the courts were faster - stay back and perish. I can't think that any non-biased person would look at Fed and think that if he HAD to volley he couldn't... there are no technical faults with the shots. He just doesn't do it as often to get the consistency. Also, in his defense, remember that the passing shots are coming at him A LOT FASTER and with a TON MORE SPIN than those 4 faced.
     
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    Federer won 49 out of 64 net attacks (77% success rate) How the hell is that atrocious ? Conclusion: you can't be taken seriously.
     
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    Please don't let FACTS get in the way of Flyer's good story...
    :roll:

    I think he's throwing out ideas for a fiction novel based on tennis...
     
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    Federer has to be considered one of the best volleyers in today's game. His volleys are not quite up to the Edberg, McEnroe, Rafter or Sampras levels (funny, I have never really considered Becker a "great" volleyer, but it was sufficient to back up is very good serves and approach shots) largely because he does not volley as much. However, his technique is very good generally because when he hits it well, like those who came before him, it starts from a short backswing and he pushes through the ball with his arm but his feet give him forward momentum (as my old college coach used to say, good volleys start with good footwork). The only time he volleys poorly is when he adds a little bit of "swing" to the stroke (usually on the forehad volley--perhaps to really nail it--and I am not really discussing that midcourt swinging forehand volley he hits at times), which causes a mistimed shot and a less than optimal volley. That tendency typically happens more on clay than hard or grass courts because of the desire to try to put a little extra on it to compensate for the slower court. And, sometimes, perhaps he is a bit tired or a bit "lazy" (a relative term). The other thing that makes Federer miss some volleys is a fairly predictable approach--I would like to seem him mix up his approach with some more driving slices as well as some short low bouncers (a la Mac).

    Nadal actually has a pretty servicable volley as well--particularly on the clay. I attribute that to his phenomonal footwork and his willingness to execute a short punch, letting his feet add the pace. Plus, he also typically comes in on a ball that he can pound to begin with so he rarely feels the need to try to "hit it with something extra" to win the point.

    Bottom line--"weakness" here is extremely relative, they are only the best two players on the planet--we should all have such weaknesses in our games.
     
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    Jesus. How high Roger has set the bar is evidenced by this lame thread. Forget the 5 Wimbledon titles. Have one bad match where his volley sucks and all of a sudden he cant volley? Please. He is one of the best volleyers in the current era, if not the best.
     
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