Who thinks Fed would play better with a 95" racquet?

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  1. Richie Rich

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    how nice for you
     
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    I don't get it... :(
     
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    Has it ever occured to you that the manufacturers keep making racquets bigger and not smaller, and that the pros are paid to use the manufacturer's racquets? How many Mids are made anymore today? Not too many. Wilson tried for years to try and convince Sampras to go to a bigger racquet so that they could discontinue the PS 6.0 85. He refused. I'm sure all the manufacturers still try and convince their pros to use the retail versions of their new racquets, which mostly happen to be bigger. Why do paintjobs unless they absolutely have to?
     
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    Yes, but that stick that he is currently using was not even made when Sampras was still on tour, so he couldn't have switched to it even if he wanted to. Wilson didn't make a PS with a 90 head, only a 95, and he tried the 95 but hated it.
     
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    I agree, I find that ridiculous that manufacturers paintjob racquets however they please nowadays.
    Example: Kohlschreiber going from K95 to Kblade Tour pj.
    and someone, forgot his name at the moment going from MFil 300 paintjob to AG 200.
     
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    Bigger sticks, you mean the 90 he is using now?:confused:
     
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    Excuse me, but YOU were the first to bring up "rankings" with your assertion that Davydenko's ranking went up ONLY because he switched to a bigger headsize, in your post #80. Here:
    So it was YOU that brought up rankings, NOT me, in an effort to sidetrack this thread!!!

    So please stop accusing me of things you should be accusing YOURSELF of!!

    Boy, what short memories we have. How sad. :cry:
     
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    that was in response to your crazy comment below. davydenko was used to playing with a smaller head. he switched and his ranking got better.

    you still haven't been able to refute the fact that when most pro's change headsize they move to a larger headsize, not smaller.
     
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    And EXACTLY where did I bring up or discuss "rankings" in my post (below): :confused:
    I didn't even bring up pros. And, yes, what I stated above is a FACT. The more used to you are with playing with ANY racquet, the more a switch in racquets (ANY racquet) will hurt you. That's why most pros NEVER switch and opt for paintjobs instead. You have heard of paintjobs, haven't you?
    And you still haven't refuted the fact that when most racquet manufacturers change to new models, they tend to make them bigger, not smaller. That doesn't really give the pros much of a choice, does it, unless they want to go the paintjob route? Yes, few pros change to a smaller racquet, but few pros change to a bigger racquet either.

    You've been owned every which way but loose in this thread, yet you just keep coming back for more. Either you're just a glutton for punishment or a masochist or both. BTW, I knew that Paes used the POG Mid because I looked it up to make sure that's what he used as I thought it was a POG but not 100% sure and I saw all the pics of him using the POG Mid before I posted about him. I wanted to see if you would be foolish enough to point out that he went from a smaller to a bigger racquet, so that I could point out how his ranking dropped like a brick after he switched. You fell for it hook, line and sinker!! Ha ha ha :lol: LOL
     
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    its only 1 slam.
    wait til the others
    what if he was just having a bad day?
    what if he had the chicken virus still?
    what if it was the slow courts?

    who knows
     
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    what, so the reason pro's go to bigger head sizes is because the mfgs want them to??? they have no choice? that's the best one yet. i'm sure you have more so keep them coming.
     
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    the guy wins 14 titles after he switches and you classify that as dropping like a brick? you're just too much.
     
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    but most of the pro's that do switch go for.........yes, bigger headsizes.

    that's a fact. and you can't spin it any other way. although you'll try.
     
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    all other posts aside. this is what it really comes down to for you isn't it?

    you're in your mid 40's (supposedly) and you take such great pride and prestige in "owning" whoever on an internet message board.

    if that's all you have in your life you are more than welcome to it.

    i'm being totally and honestly sincere. this is a bit of fun but you seem to take it far too seriously.

    when someone asks you what you did with your life, are you really going to say "i owned these guys on an internet forum"? or "look at me - I posted over 16,000 times"?

    i know you'll come back with some smart alec crack. that's ok. i expect that. it's all you know how to do.

    but really, if you wake up in the morning, look yourself in the mirror, and say "I'm Breakpoint on TW and I own everyone" then more power to you. feel free to slam me at your heart's content.
     
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  18. BreakPoint

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    What choice do the players have? They hardly make any Mids anymore. So their choices are either go bigger or stick with their old racquets. The only pros that can even consider going smaller are the ones using OS racquets and there's not too many of those. The guys using 93/95/98 really don't even realistically have the option of going smaller. Thus, they stay with what they have.
     
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    If Federer went from being #1 in the world to #39 after switching racquets, yes, you would call that "dropping like a brick".
     
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    Yes, it's much better than Federer "owning" his peers on the pro tour. For one thing, I don't have to live on an airplane and travel all over the world incessantly. Been there, done that. Now I can just stay home comfortably in my pj's in front of my computer. BTW, I don't think Federer will ever get 16,000 wins in his entire career. ;) :lol: LOL
     
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    I'm going back to a wooden racquet--more challenging, more excuses.

    Maxpli Fort or Kramer Staff or Head Vilas? Hmmmm?




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    Yeah I know, the one where someone was traumatized and Peter was doing the exact things to trigger his insanity... but I don't see the relevance to throw in random Family Guy quotes.

    Here I'll do one: Clam Hooooooooo!
     
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    funny ;)
     
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    That only shows that no pro wants 85 head sticks any more. Since Wilson can charge the same whether it is 85, 90, or 95, it proves that small-headed sticks are not useful to pros any more. They have moved on.
     
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    Except all time greats like Sampras and Federer.
     
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    Neither plays with a 85.

    Federer's future is uncertain.
     
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    Both play with a 90, though Pete's legend is rooted on the 85 and wouldn't you say Federer has accomplished enough with a 90 already to not worry about the 90 not able to churn up results in the modern game?
     
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    What frame is Djokovich using? That's the frame Federer needs to switch to if he ever wants to win another match.
     
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    Racquet head size

    I'm sure Fed could play with almost anything that was full weighted from 85 to 95 sq. inches with excellent results.

    I've played with the Pro Staff 6.0 and like the way it plays. Also the 90 sq. inch N-code frame Federer played with. Both frames have plenty of power and they suit an agressive attacking style. And it's suprisingly easy to find the sweetspot in both. The only thing I dislike about both is that they are a little too stiff for me. If I were going to play with a 90 sq. inch frame I'd use a Yonex R-22. It's a bit more flexible, and I can play better with it from the baseline than with the Wilsons. The flexible frame is a bit more forgiving, while the weight gives plenty of power.

    But I play my best with a 95 sq. inch frame. But the problem with most mid-plus fames is that almost all have thicker beams, which don't offer the same precise feel that the thinner frames in the 85-90 inch group do with their thin beams. That's probably why Sampras didn't like the 95 sq. inch Pro Staff. I don't like the mid-plus Wilsons either becasue of their thick profiles.

    I've found that the best 95s I've ever played (including the Dunlop 200 G Muscleweave) are the thin-beamed Gammas: the Tradition 18 and now the G325. Both these frames have 18 mm beams, so they have the same precision response and control that you get with the thin-beamed 85s and 90s, but the slightly bigger string bed does offer a better defensive racquet while also being great on offense, too. Very manuverable and great precision and control. And these Gammas offer more flex than the Wilson's, which also makes them more fogiving. I've found that I produce mishits with the mid-size Wilsons because of their stiffness and not because of the smaller heads.

    Of course, guys like Sampras and Federer have skills far beyond mine, so perhaps they like the stiff frames for the advantages they offer when playing an aggressive style of play. But I've experimentd with these frames and I've found beam thickness and flex/stiffness to be about as important as frame size.

    I couldn't see Fed or Sampras playing anything over 95.
     
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    Racquet head size

    I'm sure Fed could play with almost anything that was full weighted from 85 to 95 sq. inches with excellent results.

    I've played with the Pro Staff 6.0 and like the way it plays. Also the 90 sq. inch N-code frame Federer played with. Both frames have plenty of power and they suit an agressive attacking style. And it's suprisingly easy to find the sweetspot in both. The only thing I dislike about both is that they are a little too stiff for me. If I were going to play with a 90 sq. inch frame I'd use a Yonex R-22. It's a bit more flexible, and I can play better with it from the baseline than with the Wilsons. The flexible frame is a bit more forgiving, while the heavy frame gives plenty of power.

    But I play my best with a 95 sq. inch frame. But the problem with most mid-plus fames is that almost all have thicker beams, which don't offer the same precise feel that the thinner frames in the 85-90 inch group do with their thin beams. That's probably why Sampras didn't like the 95 sq. inch Pro Staff. I don't like the mid-plus Wilsons either becasue of their thick profiles.

    I've found that the best 95s I've ever played (including the Dunlop 200 G Muscleweave) are the thin-beamed Gammas: the Tradition 18 and now the G325. Both these frames have 18 mm beams, so they have the same precision response and control that you get with the thin-beamed 85s and 90s, but the slightly bigger string bed does offer a better defensive racquet while also being great on offense, too. Very manuverable and great precision and control. And these Gammas offer more flex than the Wilson's, which also makes them more fogiving. I've found that I produce mishits with the mid-size Wilsons because of their stiffness and not because of the smaller heads.

    Of course, guys like Sampras and Federer have skills far beyond mine, so perhaps they like the stiff frames for the advantages they offer when playing an aggressive style of play. But I've experimentd with these frames and I've found beam thickness and flex/stiffness to be about as important as frame size.

    I couldn't see Fed or Sampras playing anything over 95.
     
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    I hope that's sarcasm! haha he lost one match, give the guy a break!
     
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    I think Federer could easily transition moving to a 95 square inch racket. I don't think he will but if he ever made that jump he wouldn't have a problem with it. However I'm sure some people in here would be very disappointed if Federer switched to a larger head size.
     
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    So you're just a 3.5 trying to figure out your game on a tennis message board, while giving out advice about racket head sizes to the PROS? Yeah, nice to know.

    "Pow! Right in the kisser!"
     
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    Yes true but don't forget the game is still improving towards a solid power baseline game, it's just a matter of time untill he will make the switch, if all the guys switch to mid-plus - oversize, eventually you have to follow...
     
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    I am giving racquet advice to the pros? You're the one suggesting Federer to switch, I don't think he should do anything... he has a winning formula, 4 years at #1 and he simply lost one match.

    "So you're just a 3.5 trying to figure out your game on a tennis message board, while giving out advice about racket head sizes to the PROS? Yeah, nice to know." <--- just as easy as it is to say to you... pow right your kisser?

    I will follow? I moved racquet head sizes up and down over the years from my own demoing... I have great admiration for players like Agassi, Nadal, and Djokovic's game, but that doesn't mean their racquet head sizes should be like mine.

    I don't know why there is this inferiority complex with players with bigger head sizes. :confused: Awhile back, a guy was talking to me about tennis and he mentioned he was using the KZen, and he says "Yeah, the headsize is bigger, I'm not as good as you" and I had to correct him. It's not true, you can't judge a player's ability to play by headsize, we simply have differing styles and the racquet compliments us in different ways. I've used a 98 in the past, it was a nice racquet also. I've also used 100's and even a 110 when I started but I switch to what gave me the best results.

    People bash smaller head sizes and one handed backhands because they are insecure that they cannot use it themselves. I find that to be very annoying. Just have to accept that there are many different styles of tennis and even though the world's number one has both of these attributes, it does not mean everyone else cannot develop their own styles without having to bash him hoping that he would change to play a little more like the rest of us. There are infinite threads by people who strike two handed backhands wishing Federer would switch to a two handed backhand. Then there are these threads by people who use 98+ head sizes wishing Federer would join them too. Everyone has different games that simply won't translate so simply, can you imagine Federer using a Babolat? What for? Federer isn't a good baseliner or something? Does he lack power? Does he need more spin? Does he need less touch? Everyone is jumping on him for losing one match? When he dominated the Master's Cup a little bit earlier, I didn't see much need anyone suggesting such a drastic change.

    If you shank on a 90, you'd shank it on a 100, if you're lucky it'll be at the edge of the string bed and it would still be unlikely to clear the net. If it does, it's an easy shot for the opponent to take out. Players like Nadal and Roddick utilize the 100 well, their high topspin styles suit the 100 and the Babolats in their hands seem to compliment them well.

    I find it fascinating that the insecurities drive people to such absurd things. Once you're secure, you won't have to hope pros will switch to the same headsize as you. Notice how you don't see people using 90 making threads to bash other pros to switch to a 90, and how one handed backhand forumers don't make threads bashing pros to make the switch to the one hander. For anyone that's played tennis themselves will realize how difficult and ridiculous it is to make such big changes in your game late in your development. Be secure about your headsize (and your backhands), it's fine, it says nothing about your playing ability.
     
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    i think fed should cross train with small head size and a slightly larger one maybe a 95 or 97 like technifibre 320.
     
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    He has, but in the future I don't see anyone playing with an 85 or 90.

    Same for 1 handed backhand.
     
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    depends what head size you classify the prestige mid as. 93 or 90 depending on the method of measurement.

    there seem to be a lot of players still using the prestige mid.

    but i agree, the days of the 85 being used on tour are pretty much gone. the 90 can't be far behind.
     
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    sureshs, a statement like that deserves a thread of its own; that's a sensitive subject that is privy to its own can of worms :wink:
     
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    I mean, if that's what your future holds... I don't see a reason why people would want to avoid using the stroke of champions. :)
     
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    not so sure about that shot going away. less common now but still many pros using one handers
     
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    And the one-handed serve and the one-handed volley are going away, too, right? :roll:
     
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    Please show me where I have suggested that he should make a switch. FYI, you are acting like you know everything about tennis rackets, yet when I read through all the threads you create, it seems you know very little about tennis and are constantly asking for advice. Just something to think about, Mr Delusional.
     
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    Now that you mention it, they are probably going to remain.

    Though many in the WTA now utilize 2-handed backhand volleys.

    The serve is always 2-handed, unless player is handicapped, right?
     
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    Maybe the players using the Prestige Mid think it is a 93 and that is why they are still using it? :)

    I doubt that pros measure the actual head size or follow this board.
     
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    And so is the one-handed backhand if you knew how to hit a proper one-handed backhand as your other hand should be holding the throat of the racquet on the takeback.

    Do you serve with two-hands on the racquet? :-?
     
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    I would like to, if I can get someone to toss the ball for me ....

    Anyway who cares about proper technique for 1 handed backhand when it is becoming extinct. Federer and Henin were thrashed in straight sets by 2-handers.

    1 handed backhand technique will be demonstrated in interactive videos in the Wimbledon museum of tennis, along with wooden racquets.
     
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    I guess my point was that there are still a number of pros using the prestige mid so it's too early to write the mid (less than 95 sq inches?) off yet. whether or not that continues in future years remains to be seen.
     
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    I am not going to deny I ask for advice, but seriously, all I'm saying here is that it's ridiculous for the world's number 1 to switch racquets... doesn't take much about tennis racquets to tell you that, it just takes years of playing tennis to experience that switching frame headsizes from one side of the spectrum to the other may be detrimental to your game especially at the pro level. If you're not suggesting Federer make the switch, why are we even talking? Go away please. :)

    Keep in mind, they are both the world's number ones. :) That says a lot. There might not be that many pros using it but when done right, it's quite effective. (Again, both world's #1's not to mention numerous legends from Laver to Sampras.)
     

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