Who thinks Fed would play better with a 95" racquet?

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  1. sureshs

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    Moderators, please ban poster for using advanced vocabulary. He should be asked to stick to the following to conform to the level of the board: OMG, LOL, ROTFLMAO, dude.
     
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  3. sureshs

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    rolling on the floor laughing my ass off.
     
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    OMG, dude! LOL and ROTFLMAO!... :D
     
  5. BreakPoint

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    I'm pretty sure that Sampras is still using the nCode 90 paintjob. BTW, his racquets are exactly the same ones that Federer used when Federer had the nCode 90 paintjob. Sampras just asked Wilson to send him some of "Federer's racquets", which they did. So most likely he is still using the same racquet as Federer, as Federer's K90 is likely just a new paintjob of whatever he's been using for many years.
     
  6. crosscourt

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    Is it really still the best forehand in the world. Maybe Nadal's is now the best.

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  7. crosscourt

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    I saw Federer play Safin at Wimbledon this year, and one of the striking things about Federer was how many mishits/false shots he played. He may have had an off day and the weather conditions didn't help. But he had more mishits than Safin by quite a long way.
     
  8. BounceHitBounceHit

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    I am curious if there are any statistics available to clarify this issue? I know that subjectively it sure seems Fed's is the best if by best one means most effective. CC
     
  9. chaz_233

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    Yes, Fed needs another racket, he hits horribly with that thing. His "performance" at RG against buttpicker was pathetic. Out of 10 shots, what, 9 were UEs.
     
  10. crosscourt

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    I'm curious about this. What are the factors that make you say Federer's forehand is the most effective?

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  11. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Because he not only hits so many outright winners (which he does) but in addition uses it so effectively to FORCE ERRORS and set up other shots.

    At the highest levels of play, it is all about FORCING errors from your opponent.

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  12. crosscourt

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    I agree about the importance of forcing errors -- particularly on clay. Do you think that in the FO final Federer's f/h forced more errors from Nadal than Nadal's f/h forced from Federer.

    My feeling is that it's hard to say because whether you force an error depends on things like footwork as well as the quality of the shot. One player may have the better f/h but if his footwork isn't good enough to get him consistently to the oppos f/h then he is going to make errors that are not solely the consequence of the shot to be returned. And it also depends on the quality of the shot off the other wing. If my b/h is better than the oppos, my f/h to his b/h may make my f/h look better than his f/h because his f/h can do less damage to my b/h.

    Overall, who is best is about who has the best game overall and that any one stroke -- technically -- is only a part of that. Footwork, strength of mind, technique, variety of shot and prevalence of different surfaces, are all in there.

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  13. BreakPoint

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    I'd say Federer has more variety on his forehand than Nadal does. He can hit with tremendous spin but he can also really flatten it out to go for the outright clean winner. To me, that makes for a better forehand.
     
  14. BounceHitBounceHit

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    If we are looking for the most complete player (maybe ever) we need look no further than FedEx. ;) CC
     
  15. BounceHitBounceHit

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    I agree. CC
     
  16. crosscourt

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    But do you say that he has the best forehand for forcing errors?

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  17. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Yes, because of his variety on the FH wing and (as you correctly pointed out) the ability to play a true 'all court' game that keeps opponents off balance (ie there is no single stroke that exists in isolation from the others, nor from movement, concentration, 'will', etc-all these factors are 'inter-dependent' variables the sum of which can produce, on rare occasions, true greatness) ;)

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  18. tennis_hand

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    he grows up with that and he is used to it. so why change now?

    and probably the OP only looked at the mishits but didn't look at the winners or error-forcing shots?

    u can't compare Fed mishit to Sampras either. Sampras' games are short without long rallies. this certainly means he mishit a lot less. and those guys at his game mostly are flat hitters. U mishit less if you hit flat and you hit like him.

    so, it really might benefit Fed if he changes to a 95. or it might make him average because his shot making will be gone with a 95. u never know what is gonna happen. And the usual strategy is, why change when u are successful with a racket. He'd rather improve on his skills rather than experiment another racket. U don't wanna induce another variable into your game.
     
  19. samrocksmyshire

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    people, please. Big Bubba is the solution.
     
  20. BigGriff

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    Why would a club player like myself have an opinion on the racquet of most dominant player in this era? :confused:

    Maybe I'll teach Lebron James how to dunk a basketball.
     
  21. Wawa

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    i agree!!!!!!
     
  22. Wawa

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    federer's kfactor doesn't help him to much .
    Is his style! ;)
     
  23. BounceHitBounceHit

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    I agree too. It is DEFINITELY NOT THE RACQUET!! ;) CC
     
  24. Kingbipa

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    Let's end this

    Why even argue about this? Roger plays with the racquet that HE believes produces the best results for him. HE KNOWS which racquet will help him win better than ANY OF US. End of story.

    Regarding whether 2007 is his final dominant year, that's not necessarily true. We all know Roger plays very efficiently and takes painstaking care not to injure himself. Who else would skip a warm up tournament to Wimbledon to avoid injury prior to the main event? The vast majority of his matches are 3-setters so from a "mileage" perspective he is doing just fine for someone his age. The question now is can he hold off the young guns for 3-4 more years and really end all debate about whether he is the GOAT by winning 17 or more Grand Slams (yes he needs to win that many to silence the doubters).

    I'm not that worried about Nadal. Unless he changes his style of play, he is going to break down in the next 2 years. He's already having knee trouble and without a great serve he's going to remain a grinding baseliner (albeit the best one in the world) and continue accumulating wear and tear.

    Roger just needs to hold off Nadal, Djokovic, Gasquet and maybe Murray. Doesn't sound that difficult if you ask me. He just needs to stay healthy and dedicated and let his talent do the talking.
     
  25. jetlee2k

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    Well said.. I agree with Breakpoint 100%.. Forget about Federer, just for an open level player, I play much much better with the smaller head size 90 and then 85 and sometimes I used the old Dunlop Max 200g or Adidas GTX Pro-T Ivan Lendl to play.. It's not the racket head size.. Just the timing and focus on the ball under pressure. If you take PS 85, KFactor 90, and some other mid plus 98 square inch stack them up, the difference is very minimal.. but the control, the feel is huge. I don't know why, my racket feel unstable and tend twisted, mishit more with a midplus racket than a mid 90 or below..
     
  26. crosscourt

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    I see what you mean, but my feeling is that on a clay or slow court Nadal has the best forehand. The spin/depth/angle capabilities that he has are too good.

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  27. TennisFrkJC92

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    He's been using small headed racquets his entire life. I'm sure he tried bigger headed racquets. If he played better with them, he would've switched already.
     
  28. tennis_hand

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    well, i don't see why he can't and shouldn't use a 95 inch racket, and he can ask Wilson pro room to modify to his liking of weight and balance, etc. He can use a 90, and he can certainly use a 95.

    some of you are exaggerating the change by asking him to use a 100 or 120. lol. well, 90 to 95 is not as radical as that.

    but I can understand the difficulty to change. When he switched from 85 to 90, he hadn't won anything big. but now he had won 11 Slams with a 90. Anyone will hesitate to change at this moment. Probably he will experiment to change once he can't win a Slam in a whole year.
     
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  29. Michelangelo

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    I wish Wilson will re-release the ProStaff 110 oversize soon and Fed plays with it!
     
  30. BkK_b0y14

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    isnt there already a thread on this, with the exact same name that was posted a while ago? like after FO 07.
     
  31. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Let's see................

    Federer is the best player in the world.
    Federer has won 11 Grand Slam titles.
    Federer has dominated men's tennis for the past 3-4 years like NOONE before him.
    Federer routinely kicks the butt(s), individually and collectively, of dozens of other world class tennis players, who (as SO many on this board have pointed out) ALL use larger frames.

    I must admit I am feeling a bit confused: Is it just me, or is the better question, should the rest of the ATP change to a SMALLER frame? Perhaps the K90??? ;)

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  32. BreakPoint

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    I'm with you on that, Craig. But when I said the same thing earlier in this thread, I got flak for it.

     
  33. Bottle Rocket

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    The things that you have convinced yourself of are absolutely incredible. You're just so out there. For a while there, I didn't realize how serious you were about Federer, yourself, and these frames, but now I realize. You're dead serious about this stuff. Unbelievable.

    I can't believe that not only are you fully convinced that the things you're saying are truth, but you actually feel like you need to convince others of those beliefs.

    Do you have to come onto this board because your hitting partners just don't care about what you have to say, because they think you're full of it?
     
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  34. BreakPoint

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    Uh...did you even watch the complete 5-set 2001 Wimbledon match between Federer and Sampras?? :rolleyes:

    How many people can out-ace Sampras at Wimbledon, (which Federer did with his PS 6.0 85)? And Federer is not even known for a big serve like Sampras was.

    Federer also served and volleyed on every first serve and even most second serves. Does he do that now? I see him miss routine volleys all the time now as if he was afraid of going to the net or volleying. Back then with his 85, he was volleying like a maniac and made Sampras look helpless when Federer was at the net.

    Why don't you think about that before you open your mouth again?
     
  35. BreakPoint

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    BTW, just because you're unable to play with a small headed racquet and have to depend on your monstrosity of a racquet to hit the ball, doesn't mean that Federer can't either.

    I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that Federer is a slightly better tennis player than you are.
     
  36. counterpunchingrules

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    haha seriously
     
  37. rosenstar

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    do you really think 3-5 inches with make a noticeable difference?
     
  38. The Gorilla

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    the sweet spot would be in a dramatically different place though
     
  39. dragonxking

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    would fed play better with a 95?
    hell no he won't. the k90 and k95 are completely different racquets.
     
  40. federer envies me

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    yeah if he changed to 95, he would get less errors
     
  41. LafayetteHitter

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    I doubt anyone here has the knowledge to give Federer viable feedback. Not knocking anyone but let's be serious. Federer half asleep drugged on Valium wearing flip flops could take just about anyone that shoots off about his racquet being a problem.
     
  42. BreakPoint

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    But he would also hit far fewer winners so it's not a good trade-off for him.
     
  43. Rafa freak

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    I don't think he will ever switch.
     
  44. The Gorilla

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    why ?
     
  45. BreakPoint

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    Because he wouldn't have the same control to take those huge swings and go for winners as he'll be afraid of hitting the ball out.
     
  46. dragonxking

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    because we have never seen federer play with anything larger than a 90(or whatever size racquet he's using now), it's pointless to decide whether or not he would play better with anything other than what he's already using.

    although regarding the topic question, id assume federer won't play better with a 95+ because in the end, he chose his k90
     
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    has anyone though about the fact that if he's shanking a ball on an 85 or 90, he'd still be shanking it on a 95-100? how much wider do you think a slightly bigger racquet is?

    really, the previous dominant player used 85, the current dominant player who is seemingly even more dominant than sampras went from 85 to a 90. and yet everyone thinks having a superoversize sledgehammer 1.0 will improve his game.
     
  48. LafayetteHitter

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    You are correct, it would not make much of a difference at all.
     
  49. Hollywood3

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    After reading these posts it's obvious that many of you have not demo both racquets the 90 and 95.

    The 90 is a clear favorite all you need to do is take them both out and just playing against the wall you will notice if you have proper technique that the 90 racquet hits more in the center box than the 95.

    The 90 in a nutshell is deadly accurate and a much better feel than the 95. Also the beam width of the 90 is smaller allowing for better aerodynamics with your swing. It's not even a comparison. Federer will never use a 95 racquet.
     
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    SO RIGHT!

    Isn't mis-hitting a result of not getting in position to clearly be prepared to hit the ball? I've played with a nBlade for over a year (98 sq in.). I have been playing with the k90 and I am much more accurate on all my shots! The k90 is much more stable.

    In the years past, I feel that Fed was more accurate. i.e. Wimbledon playing Sampras, etc. Fed was much more hungry back then. Since he has been on top for awhile I assume that he has become accustomed to his own intimidation factor and some matches being handed to him. Thus, becoming somewhat (not much) lazy in what he has to do to win. Thus the mishits.
     

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