Who uses an Eastern grip?

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  1. kobe3pointer

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    Im just wondering how many pros(or former pros) use an eastern grip since people claim that it is becoming extinct.

    Heres a list:
    1. Federer
    2. Del Potro
    3. Gasquet(probably continental)
    4. Hrbaty
    5. Stepanek
    6. Fish
    7. Sampras
    8. Henman
    9. Kafelnikov
    10. Connors

    is that it or are there more?
     
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  2. Grizvok

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    Gasquet obviously.
     
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  3. hoosierbr

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    Federer's forehand seems more semi-western to me.

    I think Hrbaty and Stepanek use easten grips though.
     
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    looks like a continental to me
     
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    Federer definitely uses an eastern forehand grip, it has been proven. Fish is another eastern forehand grip user.
     
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  6. featherlight

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    fish and gasquet both use eastern grip that is why both backhands are their better sides
     
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  7. ci2ca

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    Federer uses a eastern grip and his backhand is his weaker wing.
     
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  8. kobe3pointer

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    Using an eastern grip does not make the forehand a worse shot than hitting wth a western or semi. Gasquet's backhand just happens to be exceptionally good.
     
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  9. HEADidas

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    Pretty sure Federer uses somewhere in between an eastern and western forehand grip
     
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  10. nadal for number1

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    Richard Gasquet, now retired pros: Sampras, henman etc oh and stepanek aswell
     
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  11. kobe3pointer

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    I thought Sampras used a semi.
     
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    He hits so flat that there is no way he uses SW. He probably uses eastern or eastern a little towards continental. His forehand looks a lot like stepaneks, though stepaneks forehand is a little less ugly.
     
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    sampras did not use a sw, he used an eastern. gasquet doesn't use an eastern, he uses a continental.
     
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  14. kobe3pointer

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    Ah ic, I couldve sworn that I read some posts claiming Sampras used a SW.
     
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    It's eastern. Source: FYB2007 on youtube.
     
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  16. slice bh compliment

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    Flip used an eastern. Though, people like Nicky B. called it a continental.
     
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    Jesse Levine also uses a eastern grip.
     
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    I use an eastern
     
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  19. KoolBeans

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    and so do i lol
     
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  20. soyizgood

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    Kafelnikov had an eastern or Australian forehand. Connors was the epitome of an eastern forehander. As for the ladies, Graf, Davenport come to mind.
     
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  21. kissmyace

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    Henman used a semi-western. He even said so on the vlog on TW.
     
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  22. DrumWizOHBD

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    Old School Take on Eastern Grip Definition

    I was taught grips and the game by old timers, and they considered an Eastern grip forehand one that could also be used to hit a topspin backhand easily without turning the grip in the hand. Basically what most of us would consider a backhand grip, is an eastern grip. There is no eastern forehand or eastern backahnd---there is just one Eastern Grip and you use it for either wing.

    So according to this philosophy, connors would be the ONLY one on the list using a TRUE EASTERN. Sampras and Kafelnikov come in a close tie for second with more of a continental grip.

    According to the aforementioned theory of Grips: Federer uses a semi-western. Using an eastern grip leaves you with an open racquet face, meaning it is near impossible to generate the amount of topspin one such as Federer does. Federer also varies his grip slightly depending on his shot. There are a couple fantastic Super SLow Mo compilations of Fed's forehand on You Tube that really show the difference in how he grips for High balls vs Low Balls vs heavy topspin shots vs Flatter Putaways.
     
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  23. naturallight

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    I think Fuzzy Yellow Balls did a piece on Federer's grip a while back which showed it was an Eastern.
     
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    Well, that's wrong on multiple counts. There are Eastern forehand and Eastern backhand grips. Connors, according to every article I ever read about him, used something close to a semi-western, which was why low balls to his forehand were always a weak spot.
     
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    Hey, I am just regurgitating what was taught to me back in the day by several Pro's who played professionally in the 40's and 50's. I watched that video on Fuzzy Yellow Balls, and that was the first time I had ever heard someone call Federer's grip and Eastern. Their logic may be a bit outdated....

    Think about it this way--- (REFERRING TO A RIGHT-HANDED PLAYER)

    Continental is in the Middle (as in "Continental Divide"
    Eastern turns the handle to the Right of Continental a la Backhand grip
    Western turns the handle to the Left of Continental a la Federer Forehand

    I was taught this as the easy way for kids to remember their grips, back when I was 7. SO, maybe this is wrong by todays terms, but it sure does make a lot more common sense this way.

    What is it called if a player hits a forehand with the opposite side of the racquet face with a backhand grip. <<< According to Fuzzy Balls, this grip doesn't exist, it would have no name execpt 'further past continental.' I believe this is an eastern grip. Many teaching pros use this grip for feeding, because it naturally imparts backspin on the ball. I have never met anyone who calls this anything other than and eastern grip, except on the internet.:shock:
     
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  27. featherlight

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    sorry to interupte the thread does safina use an eastern grip
     
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  28. aaganad

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    Connors was eastern.

    I agree with you on Drumwiz's statement. You twist your grip to go fron eastern forehand to eastern backhand. I don't think anyone in their right mind would use an eastern forehand grip for both sides. But your statement on Connors I think is slightly incorrect. First, he did use an eastern and his weakness was not low balls only but low, slow balls hit straight to him (remember how at Wimbledon, Borg made that funky backhand slice approach directly to Connors daring him to pass him crosscourt and he hit it often into the net).

    Sampras was also an eastern forehand. He and Connors had excellent running forehands (running to the right) where they could whip the ball with a pretty robust swing but when they had to supply all the pace with spin and power on high bouncing balls, their forehand would eventually fail them. They illustrated time and again some of the weaknesses of the eastern forehand and its weaknesses are why it is not used that much anymore.

    I know. I learned the hard way. I was taught the old style too when everyone learned the eastern forehand grip first (shake hands with the face of the racquet). I eventually saw its limitations and taught myself the SW forehand and overall it is much better but I too still have problems with low soft balls like Connors.

    BTW, I am not convinced that Federer uses a true eastern forehand otherwise it would look more like Connors' or Sampras' FH in execution and in results. He must be doing something different because his forehand is excellent and he doesn't seem to have any weaknesses with it. I don't know if it is as some have said, somewhere inbetween an Eastern and SW or if if he really uses multiple forehand grips depending on the situation. Either way, it works. I wish I could learn to do the FH as he does.
     
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  29. soyizgood

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    Sometimes I wished Safina used an eastern grip. Her extreme semi-western or even possibly western grip is one of the ugliest forehands in terms of form. None of her strokes are efficient to where just being a small fraction off makes for some woeful hitting (see Olympics F, RG 2008 F, RG 2009 F, AO 2009 F, USO '08 SF, any of her 3 YEC matches)
     
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  30. soyizgood

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    The extreme eastern is the modern day eastern forehand. It gets the best features of the eastern (pace) and semi-western (topspin) strokes and adds in the element of side spin on short cross-court angles. I've had a few people remark on the topspin I hit with it and one guy thought I was hitting with a western grip. I know another guy with this grip and he unleashes heavy topspin as well as liners with pace.
     
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    Where can you buy those?
     
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  33. Andres

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    Del Potro uses a SW, not an Eastern.
     
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  34. フェデラー

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    What grip does Djokovic use? Obviously not at eastern.
     
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    I'd say the Djoker is almos full Western.

    And yeah, Del Po is SW.
     
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  36. DrumWizOHBD

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    Some of you may remember the Spaniard, Alberto Berasetegui from the 1994 French Open Final. The commentators used to say that his grip was so far western, that he was actually using an Eastern grip whilst striking the ball with the "wrong" side stringbed.

    Excerpt from Wikipedia:
    "He was also known for his extreme forehand grip where his unusual hold on the racket would allow him to hit both forehands and backhands with the same side of the racket.[1] This grip was comically referred to as the Hawaiian grip for being so far West. "
     
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  37. jimbo333

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    I thought that I knew something about grips, but I'm now completely confused, I wish I hadn't read this thread:)

    So can anyone confirm for definite what grip Connors used on forehand and also on backhand side please?
     
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    Connors had an eastern forehand and a double eastern backhand.
     
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  39. BreakPoint

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    McEnroe used a continental grip on both his forehand and backhand.

    And since he also uses a continental grip for serves and for volleys, he basically used only one grip for everything. That's why he had such quick hands - he never had to change grips. :)
     
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  40. BreakPoint

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    I use an Eastern forehand grip and an Eastern backhand grip and they are completely different grips and I have to change my grip when going from a forehand to a backhand and vise versa.

    I think you're thinking of the continental grip.
     
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  41. OliverSimon

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    Gonzalez-Eastern?
     
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  42. kobe3pointer

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    Nope, complete opposite.
     
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    Wikipedia is a hoax. Wikipedia articles are written, edited, and modified by those who read them (meaning us...anyone could have written it). Unless you have a better source, that's hard to believe but that would be pretty cool nonetheless if it was true.
     
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    Oh and I use an eastern forehand grip as well, for the forehand (lol, obviously, but some people are confused on this).

    The trick with it is to pronate your wrist during your swing and have a low to high swing and finish (instead of high) low near your waist after having made contact with the ball.

    Everyone says don't get 'wristy' because you may mess up your wrist...but the wrist is important, and I use it a lot. (It's important on the serve and forehand).

    But anyway, when pronating the wrist on the eastern forehand grip, you sort of produce a similar backhand effect and interestingly it produces the spin, but perhaps not as much as Nadal, who uses a full western grip.

    Cool beans.
     
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  45. フェデラー

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    what grip does tsonga use?
     
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    Sorry, I may have exaggerated a bit with that statement. I was hoping to help create a visual for the readers that aren't understanding what an eastern forehand grip looks like. Just like with western grips, the eastern grip can have slight variations. I, too, used to play with an Eastern Grip off both wings and i changed/turned the grip in my hand between F-Hands and B-Hands.

    I was merely trying clear up the confusion about Federer's Forehand grip. I feel for all the viewers that have been led astray by Fuzzy Yellow Balls. Breakpoint, surely you will agree with me that if Connors uses an Eastern Grip, it's impossible to call Federer's forehand grip anything but a Semi-Western-ish grip:?
     
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    Despite federer having variants to his grip, this is not semi-western-ish:

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  48. DrumWizOHBD

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    Actually, this is EXACTLY a Semi-Western grip.:evil:

    That's what I am trying to help out here with this thread....

    This is obviously not a continental grip, right? You can't hit a backhand volley with this grip, right. Using terms form the eras of Johnny Mac and "The Rocket" Laver would use: since the racquet has been turned towards Federer's backhand/left from a continental grip, the grip has been turned to the West. Therefore his forehand grip in this picture is in a western position.

    Federer himself may actually call his grip an eastern grip. But, from the originators of tennis grip names, he does not use an eastern grip.
     
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  49. aimr75

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    i dont know what the "originators" of tennis grip names refer it to, by todays conventions:

    http://www.tennis.com/yourgame/instructionarticles/forehand/forehand.aspx?id=649

    the base knuckle is on the 3rd bevel, which is considered an eastern grip in that photo
     
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  50. DrumWizOHBD

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    Well, I have been proven wrong....

    ....sort of

    Gosh, I just thought no one reading this thread knew anything about grips. :oops:
    SO, I decided to google tennis grips. Then proceeded to search Easter, Continental, Western. And lo and behold, all of the newest teachings refer to Federer's (What I call a semi-western) grip as an eastern.

    This is what I learned. From L to R: Eastern, Continental, Western

    http://images.google.com/imgres?img...+continental&ndsp=20&hl=en&sa=N&start=40&um=1

    I did not just learn this from one Pro, but from every pro I took lessons from.

    I am just returning to tennis after a ten year leave of absence from the game: the racquets have changed, the strings and tension preference has changed, the serve and volley is dead in the pros, and now all the terminology has changed!!

    So like I said in my first post in this thread...and "Old School approach to grips"
     
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