Who was better in their prime, Steffi Graf or Martina Hingis?

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Who was the better Tennis Player both in their primes, Graff or Hingis?

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  1. Tennis_Maestro

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    Simple question really, i've just been having a debate with this moron who seems to be thinking for the majority with his ****.

    We know who's better looking, but who would you say is the better tennis player both in their primes.

    Graff has a 7-2 advantage over Hingis in head to heads.

    A week later, she withdrew from a tournament in Japan just before the finals against Martina Hingis because of a knee injury that required surgery. Missed about 3 months and lost her #1 ranking to Hingis during that time after a record total of 377 weeks, basically 1/4 of her life! Came back and won a warmup tournament for the French Open, but once again lost to Coetzer, this time in the quarterfi

    ^^I think that just says everything lol

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  2. Andres

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    Steffi Graff, hands down.
     
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    Thank you.

    Check out this muppet who i am talking with on msn messenger...

    Off The Wall says:
    Man steffi graff is no a measure to compare with...there many players which could have beaten steffi graff if they were in her era!!


    ^^LMFAO!!!!

    Claims to know stuff about tennis.

    Here's another good piece of humor he added...

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    maybe but when you speak of talent you mean Hingis....none will ever be such a talented player with such a unique and clever game play
     
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    Andres, remember to cast your vote please...
     
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    Graf hands down was a way better player. However, I could see where one would say Hingis was talented. Hingis did have an amazing all around game. She could hit shots from anywhere in the court, and change pace direction very well. Don't forget she was an amazing volleyer, and Grand Slam doubles player.
     
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    Graf by far. Graf is not the GOAT by any stretch of the imagination, but to say Hingis in her prime is better would be absurd.
     
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    Graff's forehand is the best forehand to have graced the women's game! Regardless of Hingis's shot selection, you can't beat that forehand, right?
     
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    Australian Open Titles: 4 French Open Titles: 6
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    ^^When Hingis even achieves half of that, then and only then can she be even worthy of being mentioned in the same sentence.
     
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    Hingis wont ever come close to that. Hingis is a top 10 player, nothing more at this point. Her window has already closed. She wont ever win another grand slam unless a bomb explodes. She isnt even in the league of players like Henin, Clijsters, Mauresmo, and Sharapova, at this point, she is something like 1-12 vs that group since returning. Yet even that group were apparently just keeping a seat warm for Serena's return to form, or perhaps for when Vaidisova starts to fulfill her full potential.
     
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    Graff was a better player imo.
     
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    Couldn't agree more entirely.
     
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    We need more votes please.......
     
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  13. Morrissey

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    Graf was not GOAT by any stretch of the imagination??? If she´s not the GOAT she should be a close second. She only won 22 grand slams.
     
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    Mind voting for who you feel was better? :D
     
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    Yeah when you spell Graf correctly. :)
     
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    LOL! :D.....
     
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    Graf as well.


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    Condi...







    I've missed you.
     
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    Graf.....Hingis' serve is too much of a liability especially against the ones who knew how to attack it.
     
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    i pick hingis cos she's so young when she won that soooo many titles. hard to argue mate'. :-D
     
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    Graf is considered by some as GOAT. You would not say the same as Hingis because people would just laugh at you.
     
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    the poll should have a seles in it.
     
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    Voted for Graf, and Hingis is probably my favorite female player almost of all time. She's about the most clever girl to ever play.

    Except on grass, their matches were very competitive.
     
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    Fraulein Forehand (citing Bud Collins I think) by a wide margin. Length of time on top, number of grand slams... by every objective standard imaginable. Now if the question were Martina Navratilova, Chris Evert, Margaret Court or Steffi Graf, well then...
     
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    Stupid thread. Even when injured and aged, Hingis couldn't beat Graf. Graf is an old school champion: they win regardless the opponent or surface.

    Why do you have to deliberately write her name wrong? Is it just to disrepect a great player?
     
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    Well said man. The beauty about watching Hingis at her prime was how she saw the point of the match 3 points ahead of anybody. She compensated her lack of size with her anticipation and how her ability to difuse a power game into a thinking game. Graf was better in her prime but I think Hingis had a more rounded game and was more fearless, even having a much better net game than Graf despite her size.
     
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    Hingis more *fearless* than Graf? :D :-D
    Yes, Martina was known for her "fearlessness" on the big stage, in slam finals. We all remember FO 99 and AO 02 fondly ....

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    Condi if you just try to watch the world with both eyes open, you might see much better(of course it probably would help if you had the right size brain to process what you see). Hingis was fearless in the sense that she wasn't afraid to attack the net at the right time. So are you going to make a retarded statement that Graf had a better net game than Hingis?
     
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    What has attacking the net at the right time to do with "fearlessness"?
    IMO, it is at least as fearless to battle it out from the baseline. Players attacking the net are shi.tting their pants that they might lose a battle of the nerves each baseline rally is.

    Sorry, to read the words "Hingis" and "fearless" in the same sentence simply made me chuckle .... This whiner who always broke down when the going got tough!
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    It is making you chuckle because it is a compliment to Hingis, not to Graf.She might have broken down at that match but I tell you what Condi, Hingis has court maturity in her matches you will never achieve in your lifetime.How old was Hingis at that match again? Care to supply the number? Now, what has fearlessness has anything to do with going to the net? This is a typical statement of somebody that knows nothing about the game. Ok let me present a simple case scenario that hopefully your pea sized brain can handle. You hit an approach shot and think about rushing the net and you did. What are the shots that you as a player can be vulnerable to when you are doing that? What? You don't know? Thought so.
     
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    Graf isn't the best by any stretch of the imagination? How so? That implies one wouldn't even consider here the best.

    Who's the best then?
     
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    Some US chick of course .... :D :-D

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    I would rank Navratilova over Graf as the best female player of all time.
    Indeed, they have had different achievements, but I can't rank Seles over Graf, and I can't rank Graf over Navratilova
     
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    is this thread a joke?
     
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    Still mad because Graf wiped the floor with Sabatini all the time in the biggies?

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    Why would I? I'm a Graf fan, not a Gaby fan.
    In fact, I wouldn't even rank Gaby in the top15 of women of all time.

    Is that your argument? Are we only fans of our countrymen? (countrywomen, in this case :p)
     
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    I'm not German, I only live and work here.

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    As the lawyer you are, trying to deviate the attention of the point.

    I ranked Martina over Graf.

    You said: "oh, you're still mad Steffi beat Sabatini on the big ones"? (which already makes no sense, specially has nothing to do with the point)

    I said: No, I'm a Graf fan. Graf was head and shoulders above Gaby, and I wouldn't rank her even in the Top15. Is it all about countrywomen?

    You said:No, I'm not German.

    What's your point in the first place? How was Sabatini involved in the discussion in the first place?
     
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    Well, I thought you were still mad that Sabatini lost so often against Graf. Obviously I was wrong as you are a Graf fan. A luke-warm one, though (calling Navi GOAT!!!).

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    Not a good example, IMO. I'm a Bracciali fan, for example, but that doesn't forbid me to think Sampras is the GOAT.

    You see? I can be a player's fan, but believe other player is better. I'm actually a fan of quite a few lower ranked players, like Bracciali, Guccione, or Karlovic.
     
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    Graf wasn't a lower-ranked player.
    As a matter of fact she won more slams than Navratilova, won the Golden Grand Slam (Navi didn't) and was year-end's #1 8 times (Navi 7 times).

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    And Martina won almost three times the total slams Steffi won, and almost three times the total titles overall. And more single titles.

    This is what I wrote in the other thread:

    Graf has achieved much more than Seles. In my opinion, Graf was better than Seles. But achievements-wise, you seem to be taking all credit from Navratilova's. 59 slams and 345 titles! Come on!!

    It's not that wacky of an idea to believe Martina was the GOAT!


    If you believe Graf was the GOAT, great! But no matter what stats you give me, you won't change my mind, cause I have stats to counter your stats.

    In my opinion, Martina was the Goat.
    In yours, Steffi was the Goat

    We're all happy now.

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    There is no doubt that Graf was a better player than Hingis (I did cast my vote), but Hingis was a good player in her own right and since Graf did it she is the one of two players who has come closest to winning the "Grand Slam" with Seles in '92 being the other player.


    I would also rank Navratilova ahead of Graf as the G.O.A.T, although IMO all of the top 4 women (Navratilova, Evert, Court and Graf) have a legitimate claim to that status. It is a matter of subjective opinion on who picks which player.
     
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    Seles was in no way close to winning the Grand Slam in 92.

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    I would call winning the AO, FO, USO, and making it to the final of Wimby pretty close.
     
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    So close and yet so far - she had to play Ms. Graf in the Wimbledon final.
    Lost 2-6 1-6. An all-time record for #1 players in slam finals.

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    In 1992 Seles won the Australian Open. the French Open, made it to the finals of Wimbledon and won the US Open. In 1997 Hingis won the Australian Open, made it to the finals of the French, won Wimbledon and won the US Open. If that's not close then I don't know what is.

    As a matter of fact that's what happened to Graf in 1989. She won 3 slams and made it to the final of the 4th one.
     
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    Graf was really close in 1989. She served for the match against ASV at FO.
    Even Graf's 1993 was closer. After all she won the first set against Seles at AO.
    Graf could have won Grand Slams in 1995 and 1996, too. She didn't play AO in those years due to injuries. She would have been the big favourite to win those slams.

    With a little bit more luck Graf could have had 3 or 4 Grand Slams.
    Sadly it was not meant to be .......

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    So do you think McEnroe was better than Sampras?
     
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    No, cause we're talking about diff eras, and we can't compare the achievements like that.

    Graff and Navratilova overlapped their careers for the most time in both of their primes.

    (wow, that was some lousy english! :mrgreen: )
     
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