Who was better in their prime, Steffi Graf or Martina Hingis?

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Who was the better Tennis Player both in their primes, Graff or Hingis?

  1. Graff

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  2. Hingis

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  1. Condoleezza

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    No, it's just a footnote.
    I have analysed almost a hundred of articles on Graf's retirement in 1999.
    Only 2 mentioned the Seles stabbing ...

    Condi
     
  2. FedSampras

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    nobody could stop graff once she had the help of parche's KNIFE.
     
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    Graff will always be known as an ugly pathetic big nosed loser who because of a brutal criminal act by another german to give her the wins she could not get without the KNIFE.
     
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    That's ridiculous and distasteful. Great players never like to lose rivals in that way, or at all.
     
  5. Condoleezza

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    Well, let's compare Seles and Graf - how they look on a tennis court ...

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    Well, that's just plain impolite. [​IMG]
     
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    That is just so wrong Condi.
     
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    A nice picture. This smile is indeed incomparable!
    Thanks.

    Here are two more.
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    Something nicer to look at. Those photos of Graf scared me!


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    That one is SOOOOOOO FUNNY!!!! ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!
     
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    ROFLMAO!!!
     
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    This gives women's professional sports a bad image ...:D
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    Petr Korda? :D :D :D
     
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    Tax cheat...
     
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    Graf, no doubt.
     
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    and this doesn't?

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    This is getting ridiculous
     
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    graff easily.
     
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    Condoleezza was banned!
     
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    oh my god
    the best moment of my tt life
     
  38. laurie

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    Is Condoleeza really banned?
     
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    Yes. Look at any of his/her posts and see for yourself. It says banned under the name.
     
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    Condoleeza is the most devisive person I've ever come across on Tennis Warehouse.
     
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    certainly. I agree. they should ban her ip if they have not(they might have just banned the account/email)she would certainly come back
     
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    Condi will find a way to get through here knowing how Condi itches for any attention and arguement about Graf. I was seriously pondering that if Condi ever made it to the US at this time she would probably camp out of Graf's home or stalk her.
     
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    Graf has better results by far.

    That said though one should give fair credit to Hingis for a stellar career. If there were a switch to wood rackets she would definitely demonstrate that footwork, thinking and consistency matter. The game has changed but only she would not disappear if things changed back. I am highly suspicious how well a lot of the "big babe" tennis players would fare with a Jack Kramer racket. Maybe they should mix tennis up a bit and in addition to having different surfaces that favor one style of play versus another, have different racket seasons where 2008 would be wood only, 2009 graphite etc.
     
  44. laurie

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    I think everyone here would agree that Hingis has had an incredible career and we all have respect for her.

    But unfortunately I think it's a little typical of Tennis forums where people want to be provocative.

    Why bring up such a poll and question? It's not fair on Hingis. Graf has won literally 4 times more than Hingis - and there is a good reason for that, I won't go into the reasons again because they have all been discussed.

    Maybe a comparsion between Hingis and say Tracy Austin is more realistic - two teenage prodigies who had health problems and had to reire early or was never the same player again. The clincher - neither player were natural athletes.

    In the game of Tennis, 90% of the very best champions for the ages are the very best athletes, they go hand in hand. The only exceptions I can think of are players like Andre Agassi and Chris Evert and Monica Seles - where athletic wise they were just a notch below their signficant rivals but are still legends.
    I hope we allow Hingis to be Hingis and stop unfairly comparing her to a legend like Graf.
     
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    Though Graf definitely had better results on paper, it was undeniable to acknowledge Hingis' genius and flair when she was on top. I wasn't fond of her bratty and cocky attitude but she was amazing to watch when she played, the way she constructed her points.
     
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    I agree. Hingis is the best thinker out there since Evert in her prime.
     
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    Come to think of it.. Hingis doesn't have the most extraordinary shots out there.. but she utilizes and maximizes the little arsenal that she have through her uncanny strategy and shotmaking, outplaying and out-maneuvering more powerful opponents ... that's what makes her great.
     
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    definitely a great thinker on the court. that's what made her fun to watch (when she wasn't being a brat). The only item of hers that i would call a weapon (outside of her mind) was her net game. Other than that her serve was weak, forehand was weak, and she relatively had less power than most of the top players. It was her backhand and net game that gave her a little bit of offensibility if she needed it. Otherwise it is pretty amazing how she was able to play with ther big hitters with her relatively weak forehand and serve.
     
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    Hingis is by far the better player. Late in 96 when she was nowhere near her prime, in fact she was 15 most of the matches, she was still such a hard opponent for Graf in her dominant prime. Beating Graf on clay in 3 sets in Rome. Then having 5 set points on Graf in the 1st set of the U.S Open semis, if she had taken one she probably wins the match and the U.S Open that year. Then taking Graf to 5 sets in the year end womens event final, a match she would have probably won in 5 sets without cramps since she was rolling in the 4th set up 5-1 with all kinds of momentum when she started to cramp. Only in the Wimbledon 4th round did Graf win relatively easily.

    Graf in 97 was scared to be beaten by Hingis so her injuries mysteriously got worse, and she kept losing to avoid getting beaten by Hingis. If Hingis was 16-26 while Graf was 17-27, and faced the competition Graf had she would have atleast 30 slams and a record number of U.S Opens, Wimbledons, and French Opens. Every single slam Graf won Hingis also would have won, there isnt a single one Graf won you can say Hingis likely would not have won vs the same opposition, but she probably wins more too. I dont see Hingis losing a U.S Open final to Sabatini or Sanchez Vicario had she been in her prime then instead of now. I dont see Hingis letting Sanchez Vicario win either of her first 2 French Opens had she been in her prime then. I dont see Hingis letting Garrison and McNeil stopping her from winning a couple of Wimbledon titles, that went to 33 year old Navratilova and Conchita Martinez because of Garrison and McNeil. Hingis may have also been better able to snag a few more slams in 86-87 with an aging Navratilova and Evert then the mere 1 Graf managed. Hingis dominated post-stabbing Seles so thoroughly she could have managed to win a couple of the non-Wimbledon slams in 91-92 all which went to Seles and none to Graf. Had Hingis managed to be healthy enough to play the 95 and 96 Australian Opens, which Graf wasnt she may have won 1 or both of those. Once she hit her prime she dominated post-stabbing Seles which 96 Australian Open Seles was, and she dominated Pierce throughout their careers.

    Unfortunately for Hingis she got stuck in the era of the most brute power in womens tennis in history with the Williams and Davenport. These players overpowered her and dispirited her, and kept her from winning the 30+ slams she would be approaching by now had she been born 11 years sooner.
     
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    and mardy as hell.
     

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