Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by J011yroger, Feb 19, 2013.
First Tiger, then Lance, then Oscar. They have got to be running out of athletes.
Jeter? - no
MJ? - no way in hell
Fed - Nope
Rafa - Nah
There has to be some other idiot.
I don't care, I STILL want a pair of Oscar's Nike blades.
Victoria Azarenka the Bellowing Belarusian. She's a bad girl.
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max, you voted Jeter?!! - I know there's been a lot of Yankee-bashers who've been just waiting, praying, dying for this guy to mess up. Believe me, the guy just "gets it" as far as being a pro. Young, handsome, absurdly rich with the world on a string and yet you never see or hear anything untoward about him in the media being a screwup. The guy is just, well, he's just a solid, no b.s. dude. Heard a story on the local (NY) radio the other day from a guy Michael Kay who does Yankee games on the Yes Network.
Kay relayed a story about Jeter being in the locker room last year and Reggie Jackson was talking to some reporters or whomever off the record and Jackson made some greasy comment about "women" and then said: "right Jete?" to have Jeter affirm his 'wolf' comment. Jeter didn't take the bait and instead went about his business and didn't even look at Jackson. This came on the heels of newly acquired 3B/1B Kevin Youkalis who (without thinking) said just last week: "I'll always be a Red Sock."
Kay's point was that Jeter's character is such that he "gets it" and exhibits very mature discretion when it comes to what he does and says.
on-topic: Victoria Azarenka. I bet she's doing something wrong right now.
Im hoping its Cristiano Ronaldo.
Ronnie is gay, but won't admit it until he hangs up his boots.
Re: Jeter, I'm a Mets fan through and through and despise the Yankees with a passion but Jeter is pure class. Can't say enough good things about the guy; he keeps his mouth shut and puts up numbers. A model professional.
You're going to speak about class when you're accusing another person of his sexual orientation in a negative manner? Yeah Ok.
Wouldnt Jordan's be the 2nd time for him after his gambling hiatus?
Nah I don't think it'll be anyone on that list. However if the ITF gets strict I predict quite a few stories coming to light.
i think more gay players should come out openly. if the established large corporations can't deal with it, someone else will make money sponsoring them... it's 2013...
You obviously mis-interpreted my post.
I have no problems with the fact that Ronaldo probably is gay. Nor with gay people (FWIW the best boss I've ever had was flamboyantly gay and one of the chillest dudes I've ever met). But a lot of people DO have problems with gays and bisexuals, and some of those people are probably worth lots of money and have a lot of power in large companies who sponsor athletes. It would be a big boon to a company such as Nike have their most marketable footballer come out as gay in this day and age, as sad as it is to say. Ronnie coming out would probably be more meaningful in a positive way than anything he's ever done on the pitch, which is saying a lot, especially considering he's the second best player on the planet right now and he's been in the top 2 for the past 7 years or so. If I was a manager of a football team and I had money to make any signing I wanted, I'd sign Ronaldo without hesitation. He's an unbelievable player.
Jeter is class because he acts with class on the field - he doesn't act like a bad-boy, doesn't get into arguements with his manager, the opposing team, or the umpire, shuts his mouth and puts up numbers (which is what he's paid to do) and off the field - he takes no BS from the New York media, never was in the paper for the wrong reasons (partying too hard, etc..), donates a good amount of money to charitable causes and is a mainstay at various charitable events in the Tri-State area. He keeps his mouth shut, works hard, serves as a good role model and mentor to younger players, and delivers the goods he's paid for. He doesn't act like a spoilt child, doesn't use the media to call out teammates publically and doesn't get into hissy-fit games of he-said-she-said like some athletes do these days. I.E, he has class, so he is class.
Couldn't have said it any better. Nice job Nick.
Agreed. I guess that only leaves us with Azarenka.
I think it's the players themselves that would not be accepting of an openly gay player.
It's pretty sad that people still think this way.
Also, ironic based on the demographic of the typical NFL player not to mention that this happened in SF of all places.
But, back on topic. This is a perfect opportunity to troll with Nadal and PEDs
I think we fill soon find out that Federer is into sheep shagging
Yea, they should come out because we all know how much that will help the team and isnt that what all gay players really care about?
I have never been a Yankee fan but guys like Jeter and Mariano Rivera have both been as classy as anyone in the sport. Both guys have been great plus neither is believed to have been involved in the roid explosion like many of their cheating team mates have.
I wouldn't be surprised if Jeter, or Mo was cheating.
Before I tell you all the correct answer, I would like to know what I win?
Ah, never mind. The answer is Jeter, but not the baseball player.
Mo would be the biggest can of worms and there are always rumours.
What do you mean? They just gave Barbora Zahlavova Strycova a 6-month ban, didn't they?
I hear the ITF may have found some evidence against the #747 tennis player as well, so they are obviously cracking down......
Depends if you are in the degenerate, or reform stage of the cycle.
Gay players, not a team issue...
It's not a team issue. I think it is a corporate and management issue.
You guys really think the 'team' would rather face a superstar like Cristiano or LeBron* or such instead of having them on their team because of sexual orientation? Please. Sportsfolk want to win above all else. It's what defines them. (I'm not suggesting they are gay, just examples of really good players).
With major career defining events (world cup, superbowl, etc...) and so much money at stake players want the best guy on their team. They'll adjust if one of the superstars comes out. Players/team are a none issue.
How is the 'team' benefiting from them hiding it? If a footballer or NFL player wants to kiss his boyfriend after a win, or have him cheer on by the sidelines why not? It it "all about the team" when players have their girlfriends or latest totty around?
That's what I like about tennis. No team BS excuse that can be used to restrict people.
One of these days a big player from a major team based sport will come out while still playing and achieving success. It will be a bit of scandal at first, but then the marketing folks will see the $$$ potential. Then you'll have straight players lining up to have a gay image so they can get in on the sponsorship money... mark this post for future reference... Nike execs will be begging that it is one of their players.
* I don't watch NBA, am assuming LeBron is good.
Wake up, wake up because youre dreaming.
Here is what Chris Culliver had to say and at least 2 others on that team agree. It directly answers your question.
Here is what "corporate/management" had to say.
It would be PR suicide which = losses in revenue for corporation to discriminate/be non-accepting of the LGBT community. (unless you're chick fil-a)
Money drives everything in corporations. It is a bigger driver than any will to win from an athlete. Just look at the huge drops in production after contract years. Why would Mario Williams choose my Buffalo Bills? because we are winners? More likely because we gave him 100mil.
Exactly right KRZ, and thats a guy playing in San Francisco who said that.
Top players, not some no-name lower guy.
i don't know NFL players, but if someone like Tom Brady* (he is good, right?) or of equal stature came out the scrubs on teh team will just have to keep their thought to themselves.
that's what we're talking about. I know football, if someone like Cristiano Ronaldo* came out it wouldn't matter what the lower players thought on the team. Same with Jordan or someone like that. Top players worth 10x other players on the team, not some scrub.
* Again, just an example of a good player. Not saying they are gay.
So, in this hypothetical situation that cannot be proven, disprove, or argued with any real world examples. Most likely, Robert Kraft would then cut Tom Brady?
It could be an athlete that has faced adversity, if you look at the pattern of Nike athletes it has been, a black golfer that has faced challenges from racist golf courses, a cyclist that has fought cancer and survived & a sprinter born without fully functional legs (hence the amputation) and then managed to take on governing bodies and compete against non-impaired opposition. I dont know any american sports (baseball, basketball etc). Is there anyone on the Nike roster that fits the bill?
well, until a player of the status of Cristiano Ronaldo comes out we don't have empirical evidence either way.
lower level folk always have to tow the line and not rock the boat; they lack leverage unless they bind together. superstars are the ones who have the brand power and leverage to change things. champions like navratilova and such. it happened in individual sports, it will happen in team sports. just a matter of time until a big enough star who is gay comes out.
I think it will happen in Europe first in a few big team sports before the US. The US tends to be more puritanical about such matters and Americans play a lot of team sports that others don't get involved in (NFL, Baseball, etc...). Look at the fuss Tiger got just for a few text messages and having a bit of fun on the side. in france it would have been one paragraph on the 5th page of the newspaper... it's a personal matter... It's 2013.
we'll just have to wait and see. mark this thread please so you can refer to it.
Lol as if anybody outside the US knows who Carmelita Jeter is.
Heck he'd completely use his popularity if he came out.
Jebus... 0/10 at reading comprehension for you today. :lol:
Thing is with football especially is they are pretty religious. Thats where alot of the dislike for gay people comes from. yes there is the its a gay dude in the locker and all that jazz but for almost all these sports in the US you hear guys thanking jesus and god. So your not gonna get them to support gay guys in their league.
Also American athletes in the big sports tend to put out the tough guy persona. The everything testosterone good vibe. Gay men are not seen as fitting into that crowd. They very well could and odds are there are a few right now doing it but they aint gonna come out of the closet while playing and risk alienating their teams.
I remember hearing about Jeter giving Jessica Alba a sexually transmitted disease.
edit: yep it was herpes. Scandal enough that
I assume you didn't look at my location then.
Just glancing through. Actually its the other way round. I was seriously gonna ask if "Jeter" is the husband of Carmelita. Carmelita is a sprinter and that's an international sport.
OTOH, people outside the US don't suspect CJ. During the Olympics I was reading some T&F site ( i think it was something like letsrun.com) -- it was full of people accusing CJ of doping -- these were IIRC Americans who had followed her progress in college and said "she was slow as mollasses" in college, and in her earlier 20's and now suddenly in the late 20's she's going below 11 secs. Obviously, we folks outside don't know all this.
SHe was nicknamed "Cheater" i/o Jeter, and a lot of other ugly names. believe me, this place is like a church compared to that site. I couldn't read it beyond a couple of days. Americans accusing US athletes of doping ! Very negative atmosphere.
The irony is PSNELKE appears to think that the baseball Jeter is a household name in Europe. What with our obsession with baseball and all that.
Sentinel - sounds like letsrun. There was a fuss recently because apparently she is associated with a banned inidividual but denies it. In addition to all the other factors listed.
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