Who would win if Fed and Tsonga met at Wimbledon this year?

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  1. papertank

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    This is an interesting one. Tsonga straight setted Fed at RG, and he's beaten him here before. Wimbledon is obviously Fed's best slam, and he's well, Federer, but I have to say I think Tsonga would be the slight favorite going in if they played here.
     
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  2. FlashFlare11

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    I shudder to think of another match with Tsonga. I thought the slower RG surface would've suited Federer more than Tsonga, thus affording him a win (or at least more of an edge than it turned out to be). On grass, it's very hard for me to see Roger beating Jo. Tsonga's huge serve, groundstrokes, and forecourt play would make it difficult for Roger to even win points.

    In order to win Wimbledon, Roger needs to avoid the big hitters like Berdych and Tsonga. With Roger's return of serve weakened, one bad service game from Federer and he's basically lost the set. The serve isn't working like it used to either and these guys are getting into way more points on Roger's serve than they did years ago.
     
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  3. RafaIsBack

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    You should've made a poll.
    I'm tempted to say Tsonga because of how well he played in Roland Garros which is slower. He made more aces and winners. But I've learnt to never underestimate Roger, he has won 7 times in Wimbledon for a reason so anything is possible.
     
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  4. Roddick85

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    I think Roger will look into avenging his loss from RG if he was to meet Tsonga at Wimby, so I'd pick Roger.
     
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  5. cc0509

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    Who knows. Depends which version of Roger shows up these days.
     
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  6. r2473

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    Djokovic.

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  7. bullfan

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    Tsonga. He has Feds number on grass.
     
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  8. zagor

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    I don't think it's as simple as that, remember, clay also allows Jo more time to setup his groundies (and he's just flat out more powerful than Fed is off the ground these days), Fed's slice is far more effective on grass, it won't be as easy for Jo to tee of Fed's serve on the return etc.

    Fed will have to have a good return day if he's to win this potential match but Jo isn't as big of a favourite as you make him out to be.

    Yes, of course, one match which Tsonga barely won (had to come back from 2-0 down in sets) equals him having Fed's number on grass.

    By the same token I guess he has Nadal's number as well (leads 1-0 on grass afterall), not to mention that we can claim the same for Rosol as well.
     
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  9. bullfan

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    The comparison between Rosol and Tsonga is just laughable.
     
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  10. FlashFlare11

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    But it's not just Tsonga. Berdych has started getting the better of Roger on faster surfaces, too. Both players have been taking advantage of any shot Federer keeps mid-court, and that includes the forehand. Yes, Federer's slices should cause problems for Tsonga and Berdych, but as they push Roger farther and farther back, the slices get shorter and shorter and bounce higher, making net put aways easy.

    I'm not saying Roger can't win, but just that he's not as much of a lock to win as much as he was before.
     
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    I mostly agree with what you say here, just saying that clay doesn't necessarily help Fed in his specific match-up against Tsonga compared to grass at this point in their careers.

    Regarding Berdych I feel he's still a bigger threat to Fed on fast surfaces than Jo.
     
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    Nope, Rosol has Nadal's number on grass as much as Jo has Fed's, the comparison is very appropriate.
     
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  13. FlashFlare11

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    Got ya! Yeah, I see what you mean now. It's what allowed Soderling to beat both Rafa and Roger at RG. I thought that clay would benefit Roger in that he'd have more time to react and draw out a rally with Jo, instead of trying to hit through them.

    Definitely agree about Tomas. He seems to really have it out for Roger. What worries me about a match with Berdych is that Federer's lost two matches against him when Roger's had match points. I worry if, even while being in a winning position, Roger could close him out.
     
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  14. Bobby Jr

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    The chance of Federer having such a clanger again so soon vs the same player is very low.
     
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    Federer. I doubt he'll let lightning strike twice. I think the pressure is close to being off for him now so I really could see him coming out at this Wimbledon guns blazing.
     
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  16. Bobby Jr

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    Nonsense. Go watch some of their matches. Points like that are a complete rarity.
     
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    He has? What matches were these? I honestly don't remember them.

    Berdych is one of the few guys to take Fed out more than once in a grand slam, so yeah, he's definitely a dangerous customer.
     
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    The one I remember best was.. 2010 Miami? That match really annoyed me.

    Looks like it was Toronto.

    http://www.atpworldtour.com/Players/Head-To-Head.aspx?pId=F324&oId=BA47
     
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    i guess the number of match ups is what threw me for a loop, as well as the rankings of the players and how often they play each other.
     
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    Miami in 2010 and Dubai this year. Federer had two (maybe three?) match points in the second set tiebreak in Dubai.
     
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  21. Nathaniel_Near

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    Ah so it was Miami. I remember exactly where I was and who I was with when I watched that match. I wasn't best pleased. Didn't he also lose matches after having match points in that year to Baghdatis and Monfils (and Djokovic but we all know about that)?
     
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  22. KHSOLO

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    Definatelly this
     
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  23. NEW_BORN

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    What a load of BULL :evil:
     
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  24. MTF07

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    The Berdych-Federer history is fascinating. Berdych shocked the world as an unknown teenager, knocking Fed out of the 2004 Olympics, then Federer, seemingly motivated by that loss won 8 straight against Berdych in his prime years, culminating with that comeback from down 2 sets in 09 AO. Since then, the rivalry has had turned, Berdych winning 5 of the last 8 times they've played.
     
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  25. FlashFlare11

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    Yeah, 2010 was a really strange year all around for Roger, and not in a good way. Some of the losses that year were startling, considering the manner in which he lost some of those matches.
     
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