Who's a better player: Kevin Durant or Lebron James?

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Who's a better player?

  1. Kevin Durant

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  2. Lebron James

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  1. TMF

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    I prefer Durant because he plays better down the stretch. As great as Lebron is, but when the game is on the line, he's not as clutch as Durant.
     
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  2. Disgruntled Worker

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    They're both phenomenal, franchise-caliber athletes. Right now, I'd have to go with LeBron James. He's the closest thing to Magic Johnson our game has seen. The guy is a walking triple-double with a physique like no one else! However, the upside for Kevin Durant - the maturity, the ability to make clutch shots, and the outright talent - simply CANNOT be ignored. Both have issues with leadership; LeBron because of his passive nature and Durant because of his youth and tendency to defer to his all-star point guard Russell Westbrook. Both are going to be the faces of the NBA for many years to come.
     
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    Yeah, when you desperately need clutch shot imo durant>>>>>> lebron. In that regard I like Durantula a lot more. He is simply natural and thinks clearly when it matters most. Lebron is just confused and it seems like he has no idea what to do.
     
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  4. hollywood9826

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    Lebron is the better player. He plays better Defense and passes better. Durant may have a slight edge with offense becasue his lentgh lets him shoot over people.

    I dont think Lebron is as bad in the clutch as people make it seem. Durnat has options of other guys to go to. Lebron had crappy teams in CLE and somehow got to the finals. Wade is busted up and nobody else on MIA can be trusted to do antyhting. Haslem is the only guy doing thing right now for the on a consistent basis.

    Didnt Lebron play well alst year against CHI and then DAL just was just a better deeper team.

    Lebron is just as good in the clutch as Kobe, and nobody says Kobe is terrible in the Clutch.

    And if by Clutch you mean last 2 minutes of a close game Melo is the most succesful.
     
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    You need to stop analyzing basketball asap.
     
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    I have to agree. Kobe is probably the clutchest guy in the league. Melo is comparable. Lebron is nowhere near.
     
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    Durant has better offense, which is saying something! James is a better rebounder, passer and defender. Durant is certainly better down the stretch though.

    They're both incredible really, it's tough to say one is better than the other.
     
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    Lebron is the better all around player than Durant. Defense, rebounding, passing.
     
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    Kobe Bryant’s 4th Quarter FG % in the Regular Season in his prime (including Overtime):

    2000-2001: 176-393(44.8%) – Overtime: 17-29(58.6%)
    2001-2002: 187-439(42.9%) – Overtime: 1-12(8.3%)
    2002-2003: 236-560(42.1%) – Overtime: 14-36(38.9%)
    2003-2004: 172-421(40.9%) – Overtime: 11-27(40.7%)
    2004-2005: 144-338(42.6%) – Overtime: 3-14(21.4%)
    2005-2006: 236-578(40.8%) – Overtime: 20-39(51.3%)
    2006-2007: 192-478(40.2%) – Overtime: 24-44(54.5%)
    2007-2008: 228-482(46.1%) – Overtime: 8-23(34.8%)
    2008-2009: 208-490(42.4%) – Overtime: 9-20(45%)
    2009-2010: 191-464(41.2%) – Overtime: 12-24(50%)
    2010-2011: 151-389(38.8%) – Overtime: 7-19(36%)
    2011-2012: 76-194(39.1%) – Overtime: 2-10(20%)
    Career Total = 2,197-5,020(43.7%) – Career Overtime Total: 128-302(42.3%)

    LeBron James’ 4th Quarter FG % in the Regular Season (including Overtime):

    2003-2004: 130-355(36.6%) – Overtime: 8-18(44.4%)
    2004-2005: 174-396(43.9%) – Overtime: 7-20(35%)
    2005-2006: 230-478(48.1%) – Overtime: 11-14(78.6%)
    2006-2007: 241-517(46.6%) – Overtime: 20-35(57.1%)
    2007-2008: 255-524(46.6%) – Overtime: 10-23(43.5%)
    2008-2009: 198-421(47.1%) – Overtime: 9-18(50%)
    2009-2010: 208-429(48.5%) – Overtime: 6-17(35.3%)
    2010-2011: 182-399(45.6%) – Overtime: 10-18(55.6%)
    2011-2012: 41-92(44.6%) – Overtime: 1-6(16.7%)
    Career Total: 1,648-3,611(45.6%) – Career Overtime Total: 84-169(49.7%)

    Now, let’s take a look at their Playoff totals, shall we?

    Kobe Bryant’s 4th Quarter FG % in the Playoffs (including Overtime):

    2001: 38-77(49.4%) – Overtime: 2-3(66.7%)
    2002: 52-106(49.1%) – Overtime: 0-0
    2003: 37-83(44.3%) – Overtime: 0-3
    2004: 46-126(36.5%) – Overtime: 4-8(50%)
    2006: 16-43(37.2%) – Overtime: 7-9(77.8%)
    2007: 10-34(29.4%) – Overtime: 0-0
    2008: 58-124(46.8%) – Overtime: 1-7(14.3%)
    2009: 49-125(39.2%) – Overtime: 3-7(42.9%)
    2010: 45-121(37.2%) – Overtime: 0-0
    2011: 12-39(30.8%) – Overtime: 0-0
    Career Total: 363-878(41.3%) – Career Overtime Total: 17-37(45.9%)

    LeBron James’ 4th Quarter FG % in the Playoffs (including Overtime):

    2006: 37-85(43.5%) – Overtime: 3-3
    2007: 56-123(45.5%) – Overtime: 6-8(75%)
    2008: 30-76(39.5%) – Overtime: 0-0
    2009: 35-76(46.1%) – Overtime: 3-7(42.9%)
    2010: 32-60(53.3%) – Overtime: 0-0
    2011: 45-105(42.9%) – Overtime: 3-6(50%)
    Career Total: 235-525(44.7%) – Career Overtime Total: 15-24(62.5%)
     
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    Lat 5 minutes of a game thats within 5 points since 2000.

    Player FG FGA FG% 3PM 3PA 3P% Ast'd %Ast'd Best Worst
    Kobe 606 1525 0.397 99 351 0.282 148 0.244 46% 32%
    Pierce 450 1163 0.387 97 298 0.326 185 0.411 44% 21%
    Dirk 443 1036 0.428 75 229 0.328 206 0.465 48% 37%
    LeBron 461 1003 0.460 93 297 0.313 117 0.254 55% 37%
    Vince 401 1001 0.401 67 217 0.309 159 0.397 50% 36%
    R.Allen 371 0916 0.405 160 450 0.356 192 0.518 48% 34%
    Terry 381 0870 0.438 108 285 0.379 164 0.430 55% 33%
    KG 368 0848 0.434 8 36 0.222 212 0.576 65% 33%
    Wade 321 0774 0.415 30 124 0.242 59 0.184 47% 32%
    Duncan 376 0818 0.460 2 20 0.100 156 0.415 55% 36%
    Nash 370 0806 0.459 125 314 0.398 65 0.176 56% 35%
    A.Miller 269 0678 0.397 19 82 0.232 64 0.238 47% 26%
    Billups 309 0796 0.388 120 367 0.327 110 0.356 46% 24%
    Melo 276 0655 0.421 31 111 0.279 140 0.507 52% 38%
    TMac 266 0714 0.373 44 164 0.268 89 0.335 42% 35%
    Avg. 378 907 0.417 72 223 0.291 138 0.367 50% 33%
     
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    Same clutch stats but since 06-07 season. Lebron was highest.

    Player FG FGA FG% 3PM 3PA 3P% Ast'd %Ast'd Best Worst
    Kobe 317 769 0.412 58 185 0.314 69 0.218 46% 39%
    LeBron 333 714 0.466 74 231 0.320 79 0.237 55% 42%
    Dirk 235 541 0.434 34 107 0.318 107 0.455 48% 40%
    Wade 205 507 0.404 27 101 0.267 34 0.166 47% 32%
    Durant 191 479 0.399 40 123 0.325 103 0.539 47% 35%
    Melo 193 447 0.432 23 72 0.319 84 0.435 52% 42%
    Pierce 167 430 0.388 32 97 0.330 60 0.359 44% 21%
    Vince 185 420 0.440 42 117 0.359 72 0.389 50% 38%
    Russ 150 403 0.372 13 56 0.232 23 0.153 42% 30%
    CP3 187 430 0.435 23 73 0.315 22 0.118 50% 37%
    JJ 174 449 0.388 40 114 0.351 47 0.270 46% 32%
    Iggy 158 394 0.401 24 112 0.214 28 0.177 48% 31%
    Rose 168 401 0.419 4 31 0.129 23 0.137 44% 40%
    R.Allen 151 391 0.386 78 215 0.363 105 0.695 44% 34%
    Roy 166 371 0.447 24 71 0.338 26 0.157 48% 36%
    Avg. 199 476 0.415 36 114 0.300 59 0.300 47% 35%
     
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    Kevin durrant has said he looks up to both Kobe and Lebron
     
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    "On the other hand, LeBron James -– unquestionably the most talented player in the league"

    The article is fundamentally wrong imo. From strictly talent point of view there are several vastly more talented players. Otoh, he is probably the most athletically gifted player (along with Griffin and few other guys).
     
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    Two problems with Kobe when the game is on the line:

    (1) Defense knows the ball is going to Kobe and knows he will shoot rather than pass. Double, triple coming.

    (2) He has lost quite a bit of foot speed, which was really noticeable last year prior to the prolotherapy in Germany.

    But when Kobe had the foot speed, yes, he was the clutchest player.
     
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  17. TMF

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    I see Lebron as a bully and Durant is a finesse player. Lebron maybe the better player for 43 minutes of the game, but down the stretch I trust Durant over Lebron. That's because Durant's offense has more range...he deadly from the outside and can penetrate to the basket. This year playoff it's Durant who was making key plays down the stretch, and Durant defense is underrrated.

    Commentators from ESPN and TNT have criticize for Lebron's inability to close the game. I rather have Wade takes the last shot.
     
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    Who are the several vastly more talented players than Lebron?

    Kobe is no better or no worse than anyother player in the clutch. He has just becuase of his selfishness been in more situations. And has probably failed more in the clutch as well.


    What about 07 Lebron when he destroyed the pistons? Scored 29 of the last 30 points for the Cavs.
     
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    Kobe is 10 times better of a clutch player than Lebron James. A clutch player is not determined by numbers. It's like calling Nadal the best volleyer because he's 100% at the net when he only came to the net once and made that volley. James can put up good stats but can rarely make a play down the stretch. MJ doesnt have the best buzzer beating shot percentage IIRC but he's one of the best finishers in the game if not the best.
     
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  20. FuriousYellow

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    LeBron is the better overall player. The guy can play four positions, rebounds, defends, and can pass. Durant is the better offensive player. Unbelievable shooting touch and ball-handling for a guy that tall and lanky.
     
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    broken down like a true pro...
    as well as your other posts

    lebron is more clutch than kobe, those #s support that

    lebron > durant
    how many mvps does he have?
    the guys PER is ridiculous
    he is a much much better defender than durant
    even if durant is better offensively, it wouldn't be by much
    and lebron would still be the better overall player

    durant has a better free throw and 3P than lebron, but thats about it
    lebron can guard any position, rebound better on both ends, pass better, he's stronger and smarter on the fast breaks and going to the hole
    his presence is felt more on both ends than durant
    durant has a better team and has more open shots than lebron, whereas lebron is creating his own open shots and better at dishing to his teammates

    sure durant's team is already in the finals and this may influence some peoples decisions
    but you have either got to be really stubborn, a huge OKC fan, a lebron hatter (which is common) or just a plain dumb casual nba fan who doesnt even understand basketball to say that durant is the better player
     
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    Hollywood, you know stats can show whatever you want them to show. I think Lebron was more clutch as a Cav than he ever has been since going to the Heat. He is not in Durants or Kobes league as being the one you want to take a last shot with the season on the line.

    As for who is the better player, Lebron may be more versatile and plays better than anyone for the first 44 minutes of a game but I would take Durant over anyone on the planet to start my franchise with.
     
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    I'd start with the cheerleaders.
     
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    Lebron's clearly the better player. Even when considering his so-so footwork, so-so jumper, lack of postup moves, and inefficient movement without the ball, his overall ability eclipses anything we've ever seen in the game. Lebron attacking the basket is the equivalent of a tennis player who averages 150mph.

    But Kevin Durant may be a better leader.
     
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    lebron

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    more than enough said
     
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    LeBron is clearly the better player, and I say that as a hater. He's a walking triple double. May be the best physical specimen to do what he does on the court since Magic. All his shortcomings considered, he's still better than Durant who while great still can be streaky as a shooter (has off nights when his shot isn't going) and is limited defensively. That and LeBron finally added a post game, something Durant has to do if he wants to get to that next level as a player.
     
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    If you anti LBJ guys on here take emotion out of it you have to be amazed by what this guy does on a basketball court. Here's a dude, a 6'8 3 who outweighs all the 5's on his team, however still has one of the quickest first steps in the league. That's just the physical attributes, but his basketball IQ is off the charts, he is a rare superstar (non pg) that gets everyone involved in the offense. Finally don't cloud your mind with "last 2 minutes" garbage that people spit out, that's not what clutch is all about (although it's a huge part of it and he needs to get better there.) Last night was clutch, Lebron came in with immense pressure on his shoulders, add to that a feeling of having to do it himself, and he delivered big time. Countless times last night the C's could have made a run, but LeBron took the ball said GTFO my way... to that's clutch.

    Not knocking KD, he is the best scorer in the league, and he is defiantly 1A to Bron.
     
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    LeBron probably makes his team mates better than Durant does.

    However, right now I trust Durant in the clutch way more than LeBron.

    I think Durant is a better shooter and he shoots much better FT% than LeBron.

    That's one of the only real knocks on LeBron, is that he is pretty mediocre from the charity line... I believe he's only a 72-74% career shooter from the line... Hard to call him the best player in the league, when he can't shoot better than 80% from the line... I mean for all the ridiculous shots he makes, it's hard to believe that he can't step up to the line and make both free throws...
     
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    Clearly the better player? I am glad its so clear to you. Durant is a streaky shooter? I will take his streaky 49.6 FG% and 86% FG shooting anyday.

    Lebron may be the best physical specimen since Magic? Will you still feel he is such a gifted specimen when it turns out hes been using PEDs to get so gifted? Durant looks like a player from the 70s or 80s who has never cheated with PEDs so to just give Lebron all this credit when so much of his game is based on his size and speed, when every other "gifted" player in all the other sports has pretty much turned out to be cheating with PEDs to get so "gifted" is crazy.
     
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    Lebron is the greatest player in the world in terms of talent, but I would rather have Durant all day long. Durant has the heart of a champion and makes clutch shots. I know LBJ dropped 40+ last night, but I think Durant will show everyone what's up in the Finals. Durant just has intangibles in his heart and head that LBJ will never have.
     
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    Lebron is not as bad as everyone thinks in the clutch. He takes over and dominates a game from the start and nobody pays attention. But he misses a potential game winner and he aint clutch.

    I dont know a GM not named Presti who would take any active player over Lebron.
     
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    Would you feel the same way if tomorrow the NBA announced Olympic style drug testing for PEDs?
     
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    Not everyone that's big is on ped. Lebrons growth has been natural from hs to now, no sudden spurts off muscle gain. It's amazing how many out of shape ppl think anyone that's huge is on ped. Shows the self esteem issues that some have. Put anyone on the right training regimen and they'll have growth. Throw in the fact that these are world class athletes w world class trainers and off course they'll be in great shape. I don't get the ped vibe, and it's stupid to debate without any hard evidence.
     
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    Not everyone tha big? Who on earth has ever been his size? You just think he came across the best genetics in the history of man to get that size and speed? Lance Armstrong, Vernon Davis, Mark McGwire, Arod, Ben Johnson, Roger Clemens, and Barry Bonds cant believe how naive you are.

    Out of shape people? If youre ever in Nashville, Tennessee come by and I will play you in just about any sport you wanna chose and we will see just how out of shape I am. I played 2 college sports and saw just what bottom level roids could do to athletes so I can only imagine what the PEDs Lebron can afford can do to an athlete. Basketball, tennis, 2 man beach volleyball? I am in a sand vball tourney tomorrow if you wanna sign up?
     
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    PEDs dont necessarily make you more muscular anyway. There are so many different kinds. I know Rashard Lewis got nailed with them, but the NBA didnt need a PED scandal, so they covered it up and said he took an over the counter banned substance.
     
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    Its amazing how people just look the other way when basketball or football players cheat with PEDs but they dont want baseball players to cheat. Its not fair to any of the players in all the sports who chose not to cheat to allow the guys to get away with it.
     
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    Olympic style testing. Do you think that is "the ultimate"? Nobody can beat that? WOW!!!! Talk about naive. Angel Heredia is lauging so hard at you right now (see link at the bottom of the post).

    And why on earth to you think that Lebron is the only one using PED's?

    If he is using PED's, isn't it likely that pretty much everyone else is too? Perhaps Durant?

    Take your lessons from cycling and baseball. Was it just Armstrong taking PED's? Only Bonds?

    Any everyone else is in these leagues are laughing at you that you think PED use is exclusively the domain of the ultra superstars or people that actually got dragged in front of the media.

    How naive are you?

    Didn't you learn anything from baseball? Cycling? It's basic game theory. Once people start using, everyone that wishes to compete must also use them too. Sure, there may be a few that stay clean or try to stay clean, but they just can't compete. They might be able to for a while, but not year after year. They'll fall behind. Get injured. Be forgotten about. I'm sure there are many guys that tried to do it right that could tell you their story. Sorry, that's just the way it is. It's not there to be liked. It's just a brute fact of an ugly business (professional sports).

    I think you are the one that is naive.

    PED's aren't only for gaining size. They are mostly used for endurance, stamina and recovery.

    You should read the interview from Marion Jones' PED consultant:

    http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=412846
     
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    PEDS? Wow, you just lost ALL credibility, volleygirl. Strength is only one part of his game. The guy was an all-state receiver in high school and has added weight gradually. I should know. I've watched every game he's played since he was a rookie (including the FIBA World Championships and the Olympics).
     
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    Yeah what blows me away about LBJ the most is his versatility and court vision. He is one of the greatest passers I have ever seen. I truly enjoy watching the guy play ball.
     
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    Whoever said Olypinc testing was "the ultimate" and fail proof? I said Olympic style testing because they actually use blood samples where baseball and basketball only allow urine samples.


    I never said Lebron was only one juicing either but this thread is about Lebron and Durant.

    How can the players in these leagues be laughing at me for being naive when I am the one saying a huge % are cheating? Can you actually read what I have been saying. I am the one who wants strict testing and lifetime bans for cheating so being naive of the cheating is the last thing I am. Maybe being naive that the sports actually want to stop the cheating is what I am but not naive to the cheating.
     
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    All you have to think that Lebron us cheating is baseless conjecture. Its not like he's some nobody who came on to dominate, its been known since he was 16 that he had potential to be the best. All the things you mention ate things he's always had. Always had the speed and size. It's stupid to bring ped up in this debate unless you're an uber Lebron hater who's trying to discredit his whole game by saying its all roids. Ped dont make u a gray passer like Lebron has always been. Sorry but you're gonna need more than'all the best have to be on ped' as your argument for Bron being on them. And hasn't Lebron been in the Olympics and presumably subject to their testing twice now 04/08 and now 12. There's no smoke for the fire you're trying to build.
     
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    ^^ Volley, Then why single out Lebron in comparison to Durant?

    In terms of what the league wants, they want to make money. Baseball was making tons of money when everyone was hitting 70 homers. It was actually congress that put pressure on MLB to crack down. Then the media took off with it and public pressure mounted "We are so scandalized that people are actually cheating. It's unthinkable".

    NBA, NFL, etc are doing fine. Nobody wants to crack down.

    And NBA is probably cleaner than most, just due to the nature of the sport. PED's will certainly help, but not as much as other sports. I would actually to so far as to bet that many of the NBA players are (pretty much) clean. Seriously.
     
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    Come on JBF, everything youre saying about Lebron is the same defense people used when I said Arod was a juicer. "He doesnt need to cheat, hes had the potential to be the best since he was 16 years old, this guy can be the greatest ever." All that was said about Arod as well and he cheated for MANY years and some even believe his handlers were supplying him stuff while in high school so whats to say Lebron hasnt been getting stuff since then? These guys saw he was special so if turning him into a mega millionaire by supplying him stuff as early as possible is not that far fetched. In this roid era, to say theres no smoke is just closing your eyes to it.

    BTW I am not a Lebron hater. I think hes deserved 2 or 3 MVPs already but not gonna act like hes above cheating just because he tatooed "the king" on his back.
     
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    I don't know much about PEDs or Olympic Testing but LeBron has played in the Olympics so I don't understand your argument?
     
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    Ohhh ok, theres no way he could abstain from using them prior to the Olympic testing. Hes been in the league almost a decade man and played in what 1 Olympics?
     
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    2004 and 2008... plus I'm sure he'll play this year. That's beside the point... you asked if Olympic Testing in the NBA would change anything and the answer is no... he's already played in 2 olympics so if he is on PEDs then the olympic testing didn't matter.
     
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    Ok, that resolves it. Lebron never cheated.
     
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    Someone is testy.... that's not what I said at all... I said if he is cheating then Olympic testing hasn't changed anything and probably wont... If he's cheating he's doing a damn good job and it will take stronger testing than that to catch him.
     
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    Did you watch the game yesterday?

    The Celtics didn't show up. They were slow, half a sleep, and look disinterest. Pierce & Garnett can't play any worse, and Rondo was a turn over machine.

    Of course James played great yesterday, but that has nothing to do with clutchness when a team is winning comfortably. Kobe scored 81 points a few years ago. Does he needs to be clutch in that game? No because his team were never threaten. James doesn't need to be clutch yesterday either. He could have missed a few shots and Miami still wins in the end.

    Clutchness is when a player hit KEY shot at the near end of the game under pressure, and the results end either a winning shot, or a tie to force an OT. Hitting two clutch free throws(James is liable). Pierce was clutch in game 5 when he hit a big three in the end, Durant did it a few times against Dallas and LA which led his team to victory. James was in no position to be clutch yesterday because his team had a big lead.

    Hopefully game 7 is not a blow out but end in a nail biter. Let see how James close out the game.
     
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    I remember a few times, MichaelJordan passed the ball for Paxon and Kerr, who MADE the 3pointer, for the win.
    Now if only LeBron had teammates who could make a shot.
     
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