Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by Hewittfan22, Apr 7, 2004.
Who do you think hits the heaviest ball in mens tennis??
and who do you think hits the most topspin
Sampras, then Safin.
If you agree the a "heavy" ball is the result of both speed and spin, Sampras had the heaviest serve by far...Off the ground, I'd have to go with Fernando Gonzalez....Roddick hits a big ball, but his spin to speed ratio is higher than the true bangers......
Anyone remember Navratilova's comments about the feel of Federer's shots? Didn't she say something on the lines that she had never felt balls coming to her like that before?
I can imagine Safin's and Agassi's groundies being very heavy. I personally think that heavy shots are harder to play against than just balls that fly through the air faster. That's why Roddick's serve is pretty much returnable by everyone if it gets into their strike zone. Remember that 149 mph serve that Agassi actually returned at Queens?
So is it pretty much in agreement that Federer probably has one of the heavier groundstrokes in the game?
Martina Navratalova recently hit with Roger Federer and said that he hits the most unusual ball she has ever seen. She said that even his blooper, no pace balls have such a strange spin that it feels like you are hitting a brick and that you never get a good cut at his shots.
Federer and by all accounts Guga hits a very heavy ball.
Nadal's ball is probably one of the heaviest right now on the tour.
He is a really strong guy, and hits with lots of spin.... and besides he is a lefty which makes it more interesting
Roddick shouldn't even be close to the top of the list on any stroke besides his serve, because he plays a lighter racquet, from what I've heard, than most top pros, and he doesn't hit nearly as clean as a Federer or Safin.
Federer's forehand is up there in terms of velocity and spin, he hits more winners off that side more than anybody else and still maintains fluidity. If you're talking about sheer pace, Gonzales.
I don't know if you guys have seen Joachim Johansson play but he absolutely crushes the ball, and with his height i bet his shots are real heavy.
I believe Agassi's strokes are actually somewhat flat for a baseliner. He hits on the rise also which gives his opponents even less time to react. Surgical and laser-like yes, but heavy compared to the clay court boys? I'm not so sure.
I would not consider Martina an expert on balls.
Python, according to a site I read awhile back where they used high speed photography to film pros shots to determine amount of spin, they showed that Agassi had the flattest shots of any of the pros they filmed. I can't remember the site, I just remember it was done by the guy who used to do tennisone.com
A big part of hitting a heavier ball is leaning into the shot. Safin does this very well.
I'd say the top 3 heaviest ball hitters are: Sampras, Federer, and Joachim Johansson.
if thats your opinion then you dont know anything about tennis
Here's the site with the the speed/spin info
It seems, though, that it's been a long time since someone updated the thing.
Alos, the topic made me wonder. How come it is so much easier to hit with a player who hits cleanly? Even if that player hits out I find it easier to find my rythm compared to playing those who hit 'not so clean' shots. So how can it be uncomfortable to return shots struck by say a guy like Roger, who obviously hits dead center and very cleanly? I know it's tougher to hit a flat shot off a topspin madness, but there seems to be somehting else. Have these players figured out a way to duplicate that effectivness of a 'badly' hit shot, or what?
Just a thought, then again maybe I'm out swimming on this one.
I believe that Franco Squillari, Moya, Calleri and Federer may hit the "heaviest" ball.
Generally speaking, current top pros hit much heavier balls
than previous genrations, IMHO. The modern forehand is the
culprit. The differences in pace and spin is so obvious whenever
you watch vetran players from 90s and new generation
It drew a thick line between 20 C and 21 C tennis.
My vote goes to Lendl or Becker. From what I heard, returning his forehand felt like hitting a small cannon ball. Becker had some pretty heavy shots as well. Saw one of his second serves literally take the racquet out of Krickstein's hand because of the weight of the ball. I've been courtside at Roddick and Agassi matches and they hit a very fast, light ball - not a heavy ball at all. Must have something to do with growing up on clay courts?
Gonzo would be a good guess.
Without a doubt right now the hardest hitter on tour is Fernando Gonzalez, but before him, and still the second-heaviest hitter, is Thomas Enqvist. I saw him playing the 2003 US Open qualifying and was astonished by how hard he was hitting, even against guys who were trying their best, it seemed, to blast him off the court. Does anyone who attended the qualifying remember Enqvist's matches against Okun and Pavel Slozil? Those guys at some points were hitting as hard as they could against him and Thomas was not only returning their shots with pace, but also with greater depth than them. (Not to mention Enqvist's great form).
My viewpoint on Enqvist's being amongst the top heavy hitters is based on his groundstrokes -- there are guys who have heavier forehands, i.e Moya or Wayne Ferreira, but most guys don't go BIG off BOTH sides on almost EVERY ball. Thomas does that through taking the ball early, good form, and sheer brute force.
Just my two cents' worth.
enqvist = viking badass
Flavio Saretta. SO MUCH SPIN and POWER that it's scary, has to be huge. Johannson's shots LOOK huge, so much pace, and probably quite a bit of spin. When I was ballkidding for him, his forehand winners would hit the back wall on one bounce, and that back wall was WAAAAAAAAAAAY back.
Moya's forehand looks huge, he puts so much spin on the ball with that head-heavy racquet, and there is a lot of pace, so it must kick like a mule.
Enqvist hits a pretty hard ball for shure. Also, Tursunov hits one of the baddest forehands on tour.
If you've ever seen Phillippoussis hit a forehand up close ...
I have a question. How can some of those balls spin that fast??
Like for example. Even @ 1800 rpm's. That's 30 rotations per second. And 15 in half a second. 15 full rotations??? WOW
Roddick said that Agassi might be the top one if you just consider MPH on the ball.
I think a lot of people hit pretty heavy these days. Gonzalez is definately up there. Federer, Moya, and other spanish guys.
I have seen flipper's forehand in slow mo, and it looks extremelt heavy, he kind of raises his arm straight sideways with the reacket head parallel to the net then sort of unleashes it as if its spring loaded, btw what grip does he use?
Fernando "Gonzo" Gonzalez for sure. so much pace and power and spin on his shots. its wicked. Its so low percentage though, if he is "on", he cna beat anyone and is a joy to watch, if not he frmaes it and misses like all us rec. players. its a double edged sword, but he is the hardest and heaviest hitter on tour.
Sonic, now Imagine that Bruguera forehand at 3,500, Muster's backhand at like 3,100 or so, and Sampras' second serve, approaching or passing 5,500 RPMs!!!! Doesn't seem possible at all.
I agree with bcaz. I went to the US Open in 98 and saw a doubles match in a side court with Rafter-Philippousis vs. Ivanisevic and some Cratian player. When Mark hit that ball it sounded like the racket was breaking. We were sitting up close because it was a small side court.
Fernando "Gonzo" Gonzalez by far. I've seen so many of his matches, this guy is vicious. He has to be one of the biggist hitters on tour (but its all low % so he gets frustrated all the time, and blows it off like in the Coria Match)
I have to definitely agree with Triplethreat, Gonzalez is the biggest hitter on tour. I cant believe others haven't mentioned him at all. The man is simply crazy. He hits the ball as hard as he can no matter what. Watch the tapes!
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