Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by Lilguy1456, Oct 27, 2012.
Hang in there Jersey. Hopefully real help reaches you soon.
Man , really feel for you. I was near New Orleans when Katrina hit and that was humbling ( understatement).
These storms are plenty in themselves and even worse with that extra heat thats amping weather up.
The people with leverage in these issues should take charge and rein in unnecessary dangerous practises that hit us all much too hard.
Bloomberg seeems to be trying!
I know, all this extra heat is really warming up those in West Virginia that got 2 feet of snow from the storm. They are swimming naked and whistling Dixie.
Sounds like you are unsure about your position on anthropogenic global warming.
Feel totally free to ask anything on the issue and i am going to do my best to answer. I have substantial knowledge as i studied climatology and economics.
What is your line of work?
That is off topic. Feel free to ask me about the issue at hand.
Your issues are not on topic. Let me get to the point. Do you have real life work experience in climatology versus just education? If you don't want to answer for privacy reasons, then I understand.
What are my issues that arent on topic? I find that quite a sweeping claim.
Jersey34 , how are you ? Hope things are improving.
i'm doing okay. my parents got the power back in lakewood so that's 2 less people in my tiny apt. met with fema (spelling) guy yesterday with my friend wayne and we went through a ton of stuff in his apt . the whole first floor up to about 7 feet just ruined. the whole apt is labled going to be condemned and we have til wednesday to get everything out then we're gone for good there. hard to get rental trucks and no storage available locally. luckily got a 5-5-8 remotely close for the where-the-hell-can-we-put-this type stuff. currently have 4 extra people living with me and am housing a dog against the wished of my rental co. (f-them) they said no dogs but the new apts at fairways at bay lea can have dogs and mine can have cats that are grandfathered in.. so if they want to try to evict us they can but i'll put up the biggest fight i can. the dog only goes out 2 times a day to use the bathroom. no barking or anything else. today the club i work at reopened so aside from the money being a plus i can see courts again thankfully. things here still awful. seaside has tremendous looting issues and armed guards. people at the shelters i'm at no doubt are going to be getting sick and spreading it amongst the community bedding.
red cross volunteers disorganized still. im only going to infirmary to ask medical personnel what they need specifically (blankets and clothing and water and stuff everyone has donated but the one thing i've been running to get is walgreens pharmacy true test (the diabetic testing strips) repeately. they're like 51 for a 40 count or 40 for a 50 count. i have tons of reciepts for it i'll post. on tue i spent $300 or so at target for baby and dog food and stuff and another 186 or so at the dollar general store getting hats and mittens and stuff . but sad as it is to say there are a lot of people at the shelters that were in welfare that are taking everything they can just to have stuff and trying to hoard it . you see the best and worst of people out here. will try to get video of flood damages so you can see initial days of storms. thanks for the concern
Ok, i hope your guys pull thru here.. and have my fingers x-ed that the cold front Wednesday wont hit Jersey.
Hang in there !!!
Mother Nature's sad, sadistic practical joke on the humanity of the Northeast...a wind-blown, snowy Noreaster a week after a hurricane! My <3 cries for all in my former home!:cry:
10 days out and still no power for 100,000's, gas rationing in two states and profiteers selling gas for $30/gal on the Internet? WTF, we are a third-world nation!
the Northeast wasn't as prepared for hurricanes like battered FL. think there are state laws prohibiting gouging in FL. during the 2004 season, my hood was without power for a week and others even more. clean up needs to be done before turning on the power so as not to accidentally electrocute.
well more power outages. i drove to my club (about hour away) and taught for 2 hours before they closed the club from the snow storm. took 2 1/2 hours to get home. trees falling and transformers blowing on the way home. most ridiculous weeks of my life . rental property sent us intent to evict mail because we're housing a dog even though they allow dogs in newer apts owned by same people and under same name. ridiculousness seriously. any-who more trees and poles down because of the lovely super-thick wet heavy snow. more power out, more gas issues because of gas stations losing power. this sucks on a different level. and the saddest thing i've found is they moved people from toms river north shelter and east to Monmouth county race track and put them IN TENTS! a tent-city situation. it's freezing, there's snow on the ground. people can't sleep because there's constantly helicopters and heavy machinery constantly moving around. they need to use one of lakewood township's empty warehouses instead if they had any sense. i'm sure they could find power for that easily of fort Monmouth has recently been closed. all they'd have to do is flip some switches . anything better than tents...
I've seen no profiteering by gas station. don't know how you can buy gas on the internet. Craiglist? If somebody waited in line and re-sell gas, they can charge whatever they want.
However, all my local gas stations have been selling gas, when they have them, at same prices as before Sandy.
I'm indignant! I paid my taxes, so I expect private companies to perform. With 900 thousands customer without power, I expect LIPA to fix my house first.
Dont they know that I'm a tax payer.
That aside, LIPA is incompetent but many companies are. Their weaknesses may not be exposed until "the time comes". Why spend money on infrastructures such as good command and control systems when you can make more short term profits.
I do the same with my companies, we cut corner, provides sub-standard services, when caught, declare bankruptcy. However, I've become rich, and my American dream came true for me. Making money is the highest goal for a human being.
Sounds like ýou live in a socialistic place.
Scarce resource + high demand should equal increased prices .
think dennis is being sarcastic...at least that's how i read it.
anyway here's the FL law if interested.
Yes , could be.. the guy is , how should we say, multi facetted.
Ok good will check it out.
Important to get good governance and guidance so we dont cause unneccessary harm.
Yes i do.
I have access to the latest in observations and peer reviewed state of the art
understanding of the processes of climate. Aka climatology.
I and my family have real life interaction with it and that has enabled me to see firsthand consequences and mitigation in places like New York, Shanghai, Masdar City, Amsterdam,Oslo,Copenhagen and Kairo.
The Germans and the Dutch are particularly ahead on these issues and city and business planning increasingly are influenced by the reality of the issue.
Freiburg in Germany and Venlo in Holland are cities that are good examples.
There are good examples of cooperation between the scientific and the fossil fuel industries in Norway.
What real life work and education experience of climatology do you have that makes you feel you are able to assess the situation?
Is this another way of saying you know a climatologist?
No. Is this a another way of pretending you know better?
Could you share your findings with the group?
OK, just with me.
My innovative capacities are not limitless.
Seriously though, what do you want to know?
What do you already know and from where do you get most of your information that you base your understanding on ?
Nice gratitude by a random NY bozo...a visiting electrical lineman from Florida was jumped and beaten as he was getting out of his power truck; broken jaw, nose and skull fractures. So much for trying to pay back the help we got from all our storms!
Is this in the news somewhere ? do you have a source?
Italy is now currently awash.
tom - would be helpful if u cite the article next time.
Lights out apparently takes on new meaning.
Local TV morning news was my source so I couldn't give a link...thanks for providing it!
They are chanting an old Beatles tune an ode to the times at hand some say.. 'We all live in a yellow ...-...... ', in tune and with passion.
"Know better"? Knowledge, through misinterpretation or without proper application is useless (or worse).
Are you claiming some worthwhile knowledge?
What is your current understanding of climate and anthropogenic climate change ?
And from where do you get the facts and news and stats that form your view?
Start from the beginning. I know nearly nothing. I get my (mis)information from rumor and innuendo.
Thats a tall order.
What is the little then that you have in fact gathered so far?
That warming/cooling happens in cycles, but the current warming cycle is more dramatic than anything in the past, so there must be a component of warming attributable to man's greenhouse gas emissions. How much is not known.
I also understand the current levels are not alarming, but if the trend continues, we could be in trouble a few decades down the road, at which point it will be very hard to reverse.
For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.
The trillions of tons of man-made emission has to have an effect of some kind!
Are you under the impression that climate is cyclical that warm periods are countered by cold periods in predicatable time and in roughly similar size?
They arent , cliamte does change only when there is an extra forcing on it.
For example increase or decrease of CO2 and or sun radiation .
It is known that burning of fossil fuels add around 29 gigatons of carbon to the other wise naturally ongoing carbon cycle.
That is upsetting the natural cycle of carbon. AKA global warming and in addition ocean acidification on a global scale and rapidity quite 'impressive'
The current levels are actually very alarming already and will escalate due to the fact CO2 accumulates and therefore doesnt go away quickly and emissions are quickly accelerating.
A good intervall in in the 280 parts per million range to max 350 ppm. we are above that already .
You are correct in assuming that the lag in the system makes it so that once it all can make inroads such as droughts , floods and change of jet streams + ocean currents , yes then its quite too late to act and assume our lives will be remotely similar to the high and safe health and security in all our everyday lives we enjoy so much.
That is why acting now pays hugely as opposed to waiting.
Hope this will be of help.
Here is a summary of facts on what caused Sandy :
(Chad Myer ,CNN weather center ,a bit into the video)
Did a wellknown film back in 2006 called 'An inconvinent Truth' predict what could be the scenario in Manhattan in case of rising waters?
I am proclaiming right now there will be future natural disasters. You heard it here first.
Too late. As 2006 is six years ago.
There were a few who back them and after laughed at the idea Manhattan and NY state would have a tropical storm of the strength we just saw.
Nope, prominent meteorologists have warned the Northeast was overdue for a big storm.
Which prominent meterologists are these?
Climate ......? Weather ......?
Even little girls can tell what is what .
Separate names with a comma.