Who's the best player to never play in a Masters Cup?

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Who's the best player to never play in a Masters Cup?

  1. Ancic

    4 vote(s)
    10.0%
  2. Chesnokov

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. Curren

    1 vote(s)
    2.5%
  4. Haas

    18 vote(s)
    45.0%
  5. Larsson

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. Pernfors

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Philippoussis

    8 vote(s)
    20.0%
  8. Pioline

    9 vote(s)
    22.5%
  9. Mancini

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Rosset

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. Moose Malloy

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    Ancic

    Chesnokov

    Curren

    Haas

    Larsson

    Mancini

    Pernfors

    Philippoussis

    Pioline

    Rosset

    I vote Philippoussis, especially considering the surface used for the majority of the event's history. Larsson also would have been pretty dangerous.
     
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  2. Hooooon

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    philipoussis had 1-2 years as a borderline top 10er, the rest of his career he's been a borderline top 100er. maybe he was in good shape to win a wimbledon, but his career has been/was far worse than anyone else on your list. rosset was way better and played the same game.
     
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  3. Moose Malloy

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    Well, he's one of only 3 players on this list to reach 2 slam finals. He also won a masters series event. Rosset made only one slam semi in his career & never won a masters series. Rosset spent 7 weeks total in the top 10, Phillippoussis 29.

    And he beat both Sampras & Agassi in slams('96 Australia, '03 Wimbledon) when they were both ranked #1. Not sure anyone else has ever done that.
     
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  4. Hooooon

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    i think flipper is the most talented player on that list, but his inconsistency and lack of dedication make him less worthy of praise than anyone else on that list. i wasn't saying rosset is the most deserving, just that he (except 2 tourneys) was a better version of philippousis. chesnakov, pernfors and larsson had great careers and played during a great era of tennis. the late 90s through 2000-04/05 was the worst group of top players of my lifetime, by far. johanssen, roddick, and ferrero (latter 2 even made it to #1 due to low quality competition) are among the worst (the single 3 worst i can think of) slam winners of all time, and philippousis' prime was this same era.
     
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  5. diadorakuerten

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    My vote goes to Tommy Haas. He's better overall than Mark Philippoussis who's up and down and can lose to a nobody on any given day.
     
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  6. noeledmonds

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    Philippoussis also gets my vote. On his day he good defeat almost anyone on a fast court. It is disapointing that he never really filled his potencial. If, as Moose's first Philippoussis comment implys, we are talking about who would perform best in the Masters Cup then the surfaces used there only strenghtens Philippoussis's case.

    Ancic would be a good contender on faster hard court also but he has been so plagued with injury recently he has yet to achieve enough to justify being the best player on this list.
     
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  7. HyperHorse

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    Tommy Haas for sure.
    He was more consistent and mentally tougher than Scud, pity for those injuries..
    Scud(Philippoussis)'s injuries were probably due to lack of training, but i guess i can only speculate. He would come 2nd, with Pioline coming a close 3rd.
    Another frenchy with a great all court game that lost twice to Sampras in GS finals, '93 US Open and '97 Wimbledon.
    Great athlete, moved so well...
     
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  8. Wuornos

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    Hi Moose

    Ran it through the Dot ratings and produced the following peaks:

    1 Kevin Curren Peak Rating = 2609 Peak Year = 1985 Open Era Rank = 52
    2 C├ędric Pioline Peak Rating = 2598 Peak Year = 1998 Open Era Rank = 57
    3 Tommy Haas Peak Rating = 2596 Peak Year = 2007 Open Era Rank = 59
    4 Mark Philippoussis Peak Rating = 2590 Peak Year = 1999 Open Era Rank = 65
    5 Mikael Pernfors Peak Rating = 2588 Peak Year = 1986 Open Era Rank = 71
    6 Andrei Chesnokov Peak Rating = 2574 Peak Year = 1989 Open Era Rank = 109
    7 Magnus Larsson Peak Rating = 2566 Peak Year = 1994 Open Era Rank = 137
    8 Marc Rosset Peak Rating = 2549 Peak Year = 1996 Open Era Rank = 191
    9 Alberto Mancini Peak Rating = 2540 Peak Year = 1989 Open Era Rank = 255

    So my vote goes for Kevin Curren

    Take care

    Tim
     
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  9. kungfusmkim

    kungfusmkim Professional

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    i say Philippoussis cause Haas would be considered too BUT philippoussis made it to the 2003 wimbledon finals and Haas didnt make ne finals in GF
     
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  10. kungfusmkim

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    oops not gf i meant GS sry folks hehe ^^
     
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  11. MEAC_ALLAMERICAN

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    Tommy Haas, he caught a really bad break with that shoulder injury when he was #2 in world. Phillipousis I think played in the TMC in 2002 or 2003? :confused:
     
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  12. Moose Malloy

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    Philippoussis was the alternate for '03.

    I think Curren may have qualified for it in '83-'85, but did not play for some reason.
     
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  13. Nickognito

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    Yes, he qualified in both '83 and '85, but don't know because he didn't play.

    We played in the Grand Slam Cup in 1990..

    c.
     
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  14. Bagdatis toy hippo

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    Tommy Haas, no doubt. He's always making it up to the quarters/semis in the U.S. Open, and he beats everyone. Not being in the masters cup? He must be afraid of China or something
     
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  15. HyperHorse

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    What about David Wheaton?
     
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