Whos the toughest?

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  1. abmk

    abmk G.O.A.T.

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    pretty sure federer is better in the 5th set than a lot of the guys having better 5th set record than him ........he's just had to face a lot of inspired opponents in his losses ... unlike the others who've faced much worse opposition ....

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    here are some players with better 5-set records, but anyone would have to be foolhardy to take these players over federer in a 5th set :

    nishikori, dolgopolov, muller,cilic, robredo,chardy,monfils,lu,tipsy,verdasco,wawrinka,youzhny,almagro,benneteau,berdych,davydenko
     
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  2. OverratedIvanovic

    OverratedIvanovic Semi-Pro

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    Djokovic and its not even close. Nadal has never been this mentally strong even at his peak and don't forget how all important points for a lefty are played on ad court, that gives him a massive edge imo.
     
  3. Mustard

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    LOL. Watch the fifth set of the 2006 Rome final against Federer, trailing 1-4, down 2 championship points when serving at 5-6, went 3-5 down in the tiebreak, yet still won.
     
  4. OverratedIvanovic

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    I mean sure he was mentally strong in those Rome finals but unlike Djokovic who takes the initiative he has to wait for an error. Djoker on the other hand saves most of his mps with scorching winners (ofcourse he was lucky too in those). Can you recall any important match where Nadal has saved a mp with a low percentage shot winner? Only one which I can recall is Madrid 2009 semi vs Djoker. Surely mental strength isn't only about mps but with Novak you know its not over until the last shot. Hope that makes it clear for you.
     
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  5. monfed

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    1)Federer (Proof is in the pudding. He has the best tie-break record in history. Also see how he saves 2008 Wimby final MP, a DTL BH pass. I mean come on, that is just sick given the magnitude of the occasion). I think too much is being made of his 5th set record.

    2)Djokovic 2.0, the guy hits winners to save MPs. I get the impression that he almost likes to be down in a match before storming back.

    3)Nadal, I used to think he's the toughest before 2011, but 2011 was too much ownage for a player who's especially known for his mental toughness.

    4)Murray.
     
  6. OverratedIvanovic

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    People make fun of Federer with reasons like dismal 5 set record and squandering tons of breakpoints but it should be noted that 8 times in his career he has came back from 0-2 deficit and went onto win that match. Nadal has only done it thrice. Haven't counted for Djokovic but it will be less than Federer for sure.

    Not saying this makes Federer mentally stronger than Nadal or Djokovic though but 5th set record isn't a reliable yardstick to judge the mental toughness of a player imo.

    Who is mentally stronger, player who loses first 2 sets and goes onto lose in 3/4 or player who loses first 2 sets but loses in the 5th set? Think
     
  7. Gonzo_style

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    In world history! :)
     
  8. mariecon

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    Dismal? um, Fed's only played 38 5 set matches in 15 years on the tour. That's pretty low. In his prime it rarely got to 5 sets. He would win most of his matches in 3 sets. One could argue that when his matches go to a fifth set it's because he's either having a bad day or dealing with an injury and if he was 100% he would have won it in 3 or 4 sets. 18 of those 38 5 setters have happened since 2008 when he was no longer in his prime and his record since 2008 is 11-7 in 5 setters. Let's see where ND, RN and AM are with this stat when they're 31.

    After winning the first set his record is 788-56. I'd say that's rather impressive.
     

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