Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by soyizgood, Sep 30, 2009.
I wonder if that's Chang, Gilbert, Wilander, or Agassi...
Recently, it's been Hewitt, Coria, Nadal, and (*sigh*) Murray.
Has to be Hewitt
Does "true alpha daddy" mean best? Most true to the stereotype of that style? Most consistent? First to develop that style? First to be successful using that style?
That's what I meant more or less.
David Ferrer Period.
Wilander is the Big Daddy here.
Then I'd go with Borg or Wilander, although Borg was much more aggressive on faster surfaces like grass.
Lmao Murray is not a counter puncher. He's a pusher
And a pusher he is. I reluctantly included him in my list of counter-punchers.
@ the OP: If you're asking who the father of counter-punchers is, the first to do it - IMO, Borg gets the nod for this.
I'd with Murray as being the true alpha daddy in ATP counterpunching. Also Agassi wasn't a counterpuncher he was an aggressive baseliner.
What pray tell is a counterpuncher??
I'd say Hewitt or Murray.
IMO, a counterpuncher plays a non-aggressive, safe game, and utilizes placement, and pace of opponent's shot, to construct and execute winning shots.
Nadal has an EXCELLENT counterpuncher game, but he can also perform very well as an aggressive/all-court player (he did this in 2008). IMO, Murray is a counterpuncher, mixes up his shots and waits for a good opportunity to execute a winning play. Simon too, he utilizes opponent's pace to hit big shots.
I think Hewitt, since he's won the most slams and ended the year at no. 1.
I'd say Nadal, really, but he has gradually become a hybrid between a counter-attacker and an all-court player.
Honorable mention to Komlavi Loglo.
Hewitt or Nadal if Nadal can maintain dominance for longer than Hewitt did.
id say hewitt
he has no weapons, his game really depends on counter punching. and he's had quite a decent amount of success from it.
nadal is definitely stronger, but i don't think hes much of a counter puncher atm.
We were talking about this in my tennis class today and my coach told us back when Connors was dominating at number one, his game was something like this:
Average groundstroke speed - 40mph
Average height of groundstrokes was 6 feet above the NET
Average groundstroke placement was 18 inches inside baseline.
I cant remember any more specific numbers, but he played like the lines were six feet inside the court on each side, his unforced errors were very low, and his opponents were very high. IMO, a counter puncher is one who thrives on the opponents unforced errors, always makes them hit one more shot, places the ball deep, stays at the baseline, doesn't go for winners.
I think Sampras is the best counterpuncher ever
I think Borg was the first counter puncher. Then, it was Wilander, Solomon, Dibbs, Witsken, Chang, Gilbert, Hewitt, Coria, Nadal, and Murray. No way in hell is Agassi a counter puncher.
No, Federer is. Federer plays patty cake push league girls tennis. Plus, he wears man bags, and cardigans. Federer serves like a WTA player. The only reason Roddick got aced 50 times is Roddick is a brainless ball basher who cant anticpate and return for crap. Federer also uses a 1 handed backhand, that is so feminine. Look how many men at the top use a manly 2 handed backhand like Nadal. Lastly, Federer's physique is weak compared to Nadal and Safin. I would not pick Federer to win in a fight against another ATP pro.
That was funny as hell but...your concluding sentence is for a topic on another tread.
i thought i counterpuncher was someon who played defensive but also had the ability to go on attack - like nadal Or murray
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