Whose GOD-MODE level was the most impressive?

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  1. abmk

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    nadal could have lost to haase/petzschener @ wimbledon .... no hope in hell ? LOL !

    also federer if he was in good form and played like he did he in the QF instead of how he played in SF @ the US Open ...
     
  2. abmk

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    this is totally revisionist ...... and in some ways an insult to both fed/nadal .... Nadal still has to execute at a high level to beat federer on clay ( even with federer helping him through some letdowns/chokes )

    agree with this ....
     
  3. abmk

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    he was also playing better on grass in 2008 than in 2010 ....
     
  4. NadalAgassi

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    Nadal was playing much better by the end of Wimbledon. He beat both Murray and red hot Berdych in straight sets. Had Haase or Petzscher played him in his 2nd week form they would have been struggling to win games. If there is anyone who would have beaten him at that Wimbledon then who exactly. Federer or Djokovic, LOL! Go ahead and try and argue that since I could use a really good laugh. Nadal played the guys playing the next best tennis at that Wimbledon and that was Murray and Berdych, anyone else would have only been easier. Federer and Djokovic were both pretty much a joke at that event and lucky that Berdych put them out of their misery when he did.

    Now regarding the U.S Open, Federer usually loses to Nadal on outdoor hard courts even when Nadal isnt serving up to 135 mph like he was at the 2010 U.S Open.
     
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  5. dangalak

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    Tbh, I feel like the pace would've bothered Federer less than Nadal's regular serve. Not to mention, Nadal's superiority over Federer outdoors has more to do with slow hardcourts. USO around 2010 was still pretty fast.
     
  6. NadalAgassi

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    Who knows, we will never know now. I do find it funny Federer returns Nadal's serve worse than Roddick's so you could be onto something on the serve, lol! Either way the best there are is a couple guys you could speculate had decent chances vs Nadal at 1 of the 3 slams only (Federer and Murray at the U.S Open) who didnt get to play him since they both fell to an opponent they were highly expected to beat, but far from sure or safe bets to have beaten him and probably less than 50% odds each, and pretty much nobody he didnt play who had a real chance at the other 2. That is far from being lucky to win 3 slams with easy draws.
     
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    Hey, I also think Federer had an easy draw winning the AO 06 even though there was nobody that could've beaten him there in all likelihood. :lol:
     
  8. NadalAgassi

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    Federer wasnt even playing well that event, I think it was the worst tennis I ever saw him win a grand slam with. I think if Nadal played him he would have beaten him, but most likely Nadal would not have made the final even had he played (well would have for sure if he played Baghdatis in the semis but most likely he would have fallen to some flat hitter in the 3rd round-quarters like usual) so it is moot. Federer in 05/06 was so far ahead of everyone else on hard courts and grass he could even play his fugliest tennis and still win most often.

    Wasnt something done with the courts to make them slower that year. That is probably why he struggled so much.
     
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    red hot berdych ? LOL !!!!!! till the finals , yes .... But he played cr*p in the final ......murray was just playing decent tennis, nothing that good ....

    why on earth should we talk about how he was doing in the 2nd week when we're talking about haase/petzschener- if haase/petzschener had kept their cool, they could've sent him packing in the first week ?

    the fact that federer/djoker were playing so poorly @ wimbledon that year only further shows that nadal's competition that year @ wimbledon was weakened ...

    those were mainly slow HC courts - miami (twice ), AO (twice ) ....
    again federer may have had less trouble dealing with that serve of nadal than his usual serve ...
     
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    He was probably injured still and still a bit shocked about his massive choke against Nalby. Hadn't lost in a final in a year or more. His level of play is generally attributed to those 2 things.
     
  11. dangalak

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    Murray aced him like 20 + times IIRC. :lol:
     
  12. NadalAgassi

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    Berdych played fine in the finals, he just never has a chance vs prime Nadal, regardless his form. The H2H speaks for itself. Nadal was playing twice as well as Federer or Djokovic in week 2 at that Wimbledon, so needless to say he was never going to have the same success with Nadal as he had vs those two either.

    Had Falla kept his cool he would have sent Federer packing in the 1st round at that same Wimbledon. Had Benneteau kept his cool he would have sent Federer packing in the 1st week of this years Wimbledon. Had Haas kept his cool Federer would have no French Open title today. See how easy that is.
     
  13. dangalak

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    Your last paragraph is a strawman or a redherring as nobody has claimed that Federer had no hope in hell of losing in those tournaments. :) You did however.
     
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  15. abmk

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    berdych crumbled at every crucial moment in that final ... He didn't play fine ..... LOL

    he lost in straights to nadal @ one of the CC events this year ( rome ?), but he played some fine tennis ....... but nadal was just better .... now that was putting up some fight, not the lame performance in the wimbledon 2010 final

    falla , maybe ..... but I don't agree with benneteau/haas .... federer dug out those matches more than haas/benneteau losing their cool ..

    besides the question was who could've beaten nadal at wimbledon 2010 and I'd say haase/petzschener had a good shot at that ....
     
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  16. dangalak

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    Yes I mea, your argument would make sense if somebody had said "There was no way Federer was going to lose to anyone in FO 09" or "there was no way anyone was gonna beat Federer in Wimbledon 12". Alas, nobody said this, so your statement isn't really necessary.
     
  17. NadalAgassi

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    Well I disagree with you on Haase and Petzschener as well. Nadal played much better in the last 2 sets of both matches, and at a level Haase and Petzschener are incapable of playing at.
     
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    Nadal's lever of play summer 2008 is higher than his 2010 imo even though he achieved less.
     
  20. Murrayfan31

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    Better on clay. Not on the other surfaces where the serve matters. Nadal served much better in 2010.
     
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    Nadal was a lot faster in 2008 though and he was better on grass too. I'd take superior movement over "the once in a blue moon" huge serve.
     
  22. Sabratha

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    Federer in 2006.
     
  23. Murrayfan31

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    Nadal was also hitting harder in 2010. It helped him especially on hard courts where he got overpowered more often in 2008.
     
  24. dangalak

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    What? :)

    He didn't get overpowered that frequently in 2008. I mean, going by that token, Roddick and Ljubicic did that too.

    I honestly don't think this is even a debate.
     
  25. heftylefty

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    I'm in total agreement. I'm a Fed guy, but the Djoker was pretty amazing.
     
  26. NadalAgassi

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    Nadal had real chances to win both the Roddick and Ljubicic matches, and probably should have won both. In the end I was happy to see Ljubicic finally win a Masters, and Roddick have one last great moment, but he was in no way overwhelmed or easily overpowered in either match. He was hardly overwhelmed or easily beaten in any match that year, even indoors he took an on fire Federer to 3 sets in the WTF, spanked Djokovic, and beat Murray in a thriller. His easiest loss of the year I can recall is the Canadian semis vs Murray, and I guess vs Murray in Australia too, but Murray isnt even a power player.

    In 2008 he was blown off the court a number of times. Davydenko in Miami, Tsonga in Australia, even the U.S Open semis vs Murray while the score was close the winners were something like 3 to 1 ratio.

    One of the few times I actually agree with Murrayfan on anything.
     
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