Whose response to his nemesis, Roger's or Rafa's, has been better?

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  1. DeShaun

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    Rafa seems more receptive to tinkering e.g. he added weight to his racket. Rafa also seems to incorporate new tactics sooner than Roger.

    Rafa's nemesis is one year his junior, though, so they're arguably nearer to being on par with one another physically than Roger ever was to being with Nadal, except for maybe the 2006 French.
     
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  2. sundaypunch

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    Ummm...is this really a question when Nadal has lost 7 finals in a row?
     
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  3. Towser83

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    Totally different situations.

    Federer was already something like 6-1 down in H2H when he beat Nadal at Wimbledon 2006, so you could say that was his response. What's supposed to be his response now when nadal has moved towards his prime and Roger is getting worse? There is nothing he can do at this point. His big mistake was he was just holding Nadal back on grass, waiting to meet him on hardcourt but then nadal improved, Fed declined and all of a sudden he was meeting Nadal at the AO at the wrong time and finally getting beaten on grass, having never really pushed his chances on clay like Rome 2006 and RG 2006.
     
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  4. TheNatural

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    Neither, until Nadal beats Joker in a final, or until Fed beats Nadal in a slam. Rafa has lost 7 finals in a row to Joker in about a 1 year period. Fed hasn't beaten Rafa in a slam in almost half a decade, since Wimbledon 2007.
     
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  5. Tony48

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    A response doesn't automatically achieve the desired result.

    Furthermore, did Federer really "change" anything about his game in order to beat Nadal at the tour finals? I think considering Nadal's record against Federer at the French vs. Djokovic's 7-0 record over Nadal would be more appropriate.
     
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    Both are using better tactics....but they are not winning yet!
     
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  7. sundaypunch

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    0 for 7 is no response.
     
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    This seems pretty fair. People act like Nadal dominated Fed all the way through. Not true. Nadal won 6 of their first 7 matches (twice on hard, 4 times on clay), Federer won 5 of the next 7 (twice on grass, twice on hard, once on clay). Seems like a fairly positive response to me.

    Saying that, I think we need to see Djokovic face Nadal at the French Open though to make a real fair comparison. He's declined on the surface a bit but it's still his fortress. Federer was able to end his losing run against Nadal in 2006 in his fortress (Wimbledon), Nadal hasn't yet had that chance at the French.
     
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    Yeah from 6-1 to 8-6 behind. After that Federer went on a big losing streak but at that point it was competitive. Agree that RG will be a big test for the rivallry of Djokovic vs Nadal.
     
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    So if Nadal won because Djokovic had a heart attack in the middle of a rally, that would indicate that he responded?

    Like I said: a response is not always reflected in its result.
     
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    Well, Roger has at least tried to make adjustments. Some of them have adversely affected his other matchups I think. Drive bh's are better against Rafa, but slice helps a lot against guys like Djoker. Roger has also won plenty of matches since first encountering Rafa.

    Rafa on the other hand, what is he trying different? He has basically played the same way, at least I think so. This worked early on when they met on clay. Hard courts Djoker has won most times. Now with super Djoker, Rafa's response has almost been non-existant. I don't know if he has changed anything, and obviously the results indicate that he hasn't necessarily risen to the challenge.
     
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  12. Mighty Matteo

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    this is because rafa lacks roger's versatility. he is more one dimensional.
     
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  13. celoft

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    Well... Federer didn't lose 7 times in a row to Nadal.
     
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    TheNatural has cleverly whittled down the argument to only slams :D later it's be outdoors, only clay etc, only finals ...

    Fred still won slams after 2007, Nole seems to be shutting Hafa out on all surfaces. Anyway, seems Hafans have taken this very personally.
     
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  15. Crisstti

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    Both situations are very different.

    Not sure how can we consider 2006 Wimbledon as Fed's response... I mean, in a way sure it was, but then Rafa very much overachieved by reaching that final, and he pushed Fed in it too (if threads here are anything to go by, no one even expected Rafa to get to the final... at all). Rafa has almost no experience on grass, he wasn't on his prime there. Novak on the other hand was nowhere near being considered Rafa's nemesis before this year, and he's right onhis prime now, so Nadal just doesn't have the adventage Federer has in Wimbledon 2006...
     
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    What "tactics" did Nadal employ?

    Nadal did a good job of scraping out that 4th set, but the match really should have been over in 4. Djokovic had taken complete control of the match in set 3 and it looked like a repeat of the US Open at that point. Then Nadal saved those 3 break points (which were basically match points) and the momentum shifted.
     
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  17. NadalAgassi

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    Both have been an equal fail so far in this regard. Neither deserves to be graded a winner here.
     
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    The 5 upcoming masters are going to be VERY interesting for Djokodal. We can answer this question then.
     
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    Both have been absolutely pathetic.
     
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    Regardless of final outcome Fed-Nadal rivalry has produced more epic encounters compares to Nole-nadal rivalry..

    2005 Miami
    2006 Rome
    2007 Wimby
    2008 Wimby (one of all time best)
    2009 AO

    Nole-Nadal not much in comparison to above..
    2009 Madrid
    2011 Miami
    2012 AO
     
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  21. Crisstti

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    Yeah, that is true.
     
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  22. CDestroyer

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    Yes. Isn't it embarassing that Rafa has been destroyed 7 times straight by Novak. What a loser. Haha. :twisted:
     
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