Why all the accusations of doping?

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  1. baseline_monster

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    Just wondering why since the Chinese swimmer was accused of doping, everyone is accusing anyone better of being a drugs cheat!? In any sport there are players who are acceptional and train harder than the others, this means they want it more and achieve their potential, it does not mean they are dopping or a drugs cheat. I have scene guys questioning Nadal, Federer and even Laver on here today for silly reasons, I am a bit lost by it to be honest.Thoughts?
     
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  2. The Bawss

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    Thoughts? I am concerned that you wrote the homonym "scene" in the place of "seen".
     
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  3. baseline_monster

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    There is a thing called auto type on apple products. But thanks for the English lesson, very constructive yet fails to be appropriate.
     
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    It's the new fad.

    Personally, the only player I have truly suspected of doping is David Ferrer :

    -Literally Unbelievable stamina

    -Randomly resurrects a sinking career in 2009/10, flying down the rankings out of the top 20 for a while, then surges into the top 5

    -Ridiculously large upper body muscles for a tennis player, have you seen him without a shirt? BEAST

    -Huge muscles all over his body, unnecessary for a tennis player, signs of steroids.

    -Was never as large or had as good stamina in the first part of his career, only after he returned to the top 5, got fitter as he got older?

    I could be doing him a huge diservice, I have no doubt he works hard, but I have always thought he might be using illegal substances to help.
     
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  5. The Bawss

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    Any time, brah.

    Oh my 2p?

    I believe there is doping around, that is almost unquestionable. In any sport where money or fame is involved people will do anything to get ahead. This probably seems like a very pessimistic view but put yourself in the place of an olympian where winning gold or not winning gold determines the outcome of your life. Glory, distinctions, accolades, endorsement deals, etc. For some olympians you get a chance once or twice in your life, fail and you are a nobody who has wasted their entire life training. Win and you are immortalised. You understand the appeal.

    "If there is so much doping around then why are people rarely caught?". As a person who works in a similar line of work to those who develop drugs used for doping (willingly or unwillingly), I appreciate how much easier it is to make an undetectable performance-enhancing substance than it is to detect such a substance in the blood (other methods would be far more powerful but much too invasive to ever have a hope of being employed). Unfortunately, dopers will always be ahead of the curve in my opinion.
     
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  6. baseline_monster

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    With pleasure! How is Nottingham, still attempting to play football in the shaddow of a once decent club?
     
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  7. baseline_monster

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    It's hard to say but I can see wherer you are coming from. I have allways been suspicious about Davydenko, similar reasons to you. He was a no one, had a great French open in 2005 I think, few decent years then now can hardly hit a decent ball!
     
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  8. RF_fan

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    It's a well known fact that all top cyclist dope, and they don't have big muscles. Also most of them never get caught and these guys get tested almost every day during Tour de France. How easy would it be to pass 1 single blood test during 2 weeks of a Grand Slam?
     
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  9. baseline_monster

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    It is not a well known fact at all... a few maybe, but not all. Wiggins is not a drugs cheat and he just went and won the Tour de France and Olympic time trial in 10 days, it's called dedication IMO until proven otherwise.
     
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  10. Kunohara

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    YEA. You keep believing that.
     
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  11. The Bawss

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    Lol, right in the childhood.
     
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  12. tistrapukcipeht

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    There is one thing ugly about us Americans is we don't know how to lose, I've seen many American athletes just show some real poor composure when losing. If the Chinese girls has the talent and she's winning just accept, if she is doping I don't know how Phelps is still alive.

    Nadal may as well be, reasons already explained hundreds of times here.
     
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  13. RF_fan

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    Lets see... Lance was on dope but was smart enough to never get caught. Ulrich, Basso, Vinokurov, Landis, Contador, etc... And if you use common sense then if Contador was on juice and the other top cyclists were really clean - then it wouldn't even be close.
     
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  14. Kunohara

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    It's simple.

    Nadal got caught at Wimby and is under a silent ban. He isnt actually injured. He never really had knee issues. They're just an excuse he's using to get a TUE for PRP.

    And now the Nadaltards are roid raging.
     
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  15. The Bawss

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    PEDs don't automatically make you 50% better than your competition. It usually only gives you a slight, but significant edge.
     
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  16. RF_fan

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    Not 50% of course, but I've read somewhere it's about 5%. Like you said - significant edge, which is enough to blow the competition if others are clean
     
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  17. ubermeyer

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    Did anyone actually accuse Laver? That's hilarious. Accusing Federer or Nadal is ridiculous too, although Nadal does have humongous muscles so I can see where that comes from.
     
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  18. Kunohara

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    As far as cycling goes, it's more than slight.
     
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  19. baseline_monster

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    Nadal had massive arms from being in the gym everyday, and they wearnt actually that massive. I have friends who train natural 5 times a week with bigger biceps.
     
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  20. baseline_monster

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    This is hilarious
     
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  21. smoledman

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    How do explain near 31 year old Federer gutting through a 4.5 hour match looking hardly tired at the end?
     
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  22. mistik

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    Nadal doesnt have humongous muscles,especially now. he has more bulk back in 05 not as much as people thinks though.That was also a big exaggeration.
     
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  23. Bartelby

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    I think cycling is now pretty clean because the doping controls are far more rigorous than for a sport like tennis.

    Cyclists even have a thing called a 'blood passport'.
     
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  24. Bartelby

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    Its more likely younger or failing tennis players would dope; that is, those with nothing to lose.
     
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  25. Bartelby

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    This is what all cyclists currently have:

    The Athlete Biological Passport (ABP) is an electronic record of an athlete's biological values that is developed over time from multiple collections of blood samples.
    ASADA is introducing the ABP into its Australian-based testing program from 1 July 2012.
    The ABP differs from traditional detection methods by looking for the effects of blood doping rather than detecting the prohibited substances or methods used. The advantage of this approach is the biological effects of a performance-enhancing agent are commonly present and detectable for a longer period than the agent itself.
    ASADA views the ABP as a complementary tool to traditional testing, which will take Australia’s anti-doping efforts to the cutting-edge of the worldwide battle against doping.
    Programs incorporating an ABP have been successfully implemented internationally. A number of cases relying on the ABP have successfully been run through the Court of Arbitration for Sport.
    The ABP will be focused on Australia’s elite athletes; however, all athletes in ASADA’s testing jurisdiction should be aware they can be selected for ABP testing.
     
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  26. tom_asdelonge182

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    Its because a certain country can't stand another certain beating them in one particular race, so the accusations start. Now I think its just a joke that everyone does to any winner.
     
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  27. monomer

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    Did you watch the match? The points were an average of about two shots. This was not a Nadal/Djokovic 20-ball rally fest.
     
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    Because its a fact of life especially in the sports world??
     
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    There were periods where Federer was cruising in his services til love or 15
     
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  30. roberttennis54

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    There is very little drugs testing in all sports now days. So players can get away with doping. However, the biggest reason is fans of certain players are angry that their favourite has been accused of doping and their fans are lashing out in retaliation. Others have come to the conclusion that what their favourite player is doing is suspicious. So if other players are doping as well, then they can justify their favourite doing it.
     
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  32. nadal2012uso2013ao

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    Nadal hates the gym (he's said it, and so have others). The only thing Nadal changed from 2008 to 2009 was he stopped swimming regularly. Look at the build of swimmers, huge muscle mass. That's Nadal 2006-2008. After 2008, just another tennis player (a soft abdominal region, compared to the fat-free Djokovic).
     
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    "Thoughts? I am concerned that you wrote the homonym "scene" in the place of "seen"."

    I'm just as concerned about "acceptional." I know. Apple's fault.
     
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    indeed. and further more, Serbia is under WADA strong suspicion of covering up the do.... oh sorry it's Spain....

    ps: Alanis Morrissete? dude... liking Nadal is cheese enough...
     
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    She is a 100% doper, the same cannot be said of top tennis players today, they have way too much to lose (their livelihood).
     
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  36. jwjh

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    Doping doesn't mean you will have big muscles. There are a multitude of ways to dope with a variety of effects. Just do a simple google search.


    15 year old Ledecky wins the 800m freestyle narrowly missing the WR, shaving off 5s from her PB and 11s faster than at the US trials, while 17 yo Missy Franklin sets WRs in the backstroke events and nothing is said.
     
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  37. roberttennis54

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    LOL. You really are clueless. Swimmers eat loads and spent lots of time at the gym. Nadal saying he never uses weights is stupid. Every other top player has spoken about how they hit the gym. Yet we are supposed to believe the best physical tennis player does not work out?

    It's hard to have these conversations without stating the obvious since we have no evidence. If anyone knows anything about doping they would not rule Federer out. In these times there is suspicion about any top athlete. However, he is the least likely out anyone in the top 20. We all know who are the most likely. Will leave it there, because here is not the place to say more.
     
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  38. tank_job

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    Wot is wrong with doping? Who cares?

    Next stage in human evolution.

    Get the two biggest, freakiest steroid abusers and pit them in a cage match - that's entertaining viewing for all concerned.
     
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    You have a cartoon in your avatar. What are you, 10? And who is your favorite musician? Lady Gaga?
     
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  40. Russeljones

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    There is a lot of dead wood in her discipline. 800 is a long long distance.

    The Chinese girl swam 50 meters faster than Phelps and another 50 meters faster than Lochte. There's no argument.

    If you have issues with the USA I don't think this is the platform to air them.
     
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    Thanks, nice to know the truth once in a while.
     
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    The top players are doping their brains out. And doping as I have said many times before and Jose Canseco wrote a GREAT book about, is NOW, because of the estrogenic effect of BPA in our society, a really, really good thing to be doing for your body now.

    Anyone who does not dope nowadays, is doomed to aging and getting really bloated, swollen and fat. Again, because of the hormonal estrogenic effect that we are all subjected to.

    Its expensive as hell, and only the top athletes can afford to do the very best steroids, but its good for you now.

    I make up a natural blend of steroids with DHEA,testosterone, pregnanalone, etc.. with a liposome to ensure absorption. I don't like chemicals. What I formulate is pretty strong and has an amazing effect on my body, I have amazing energy, and performance.
     
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    Ironic that I should open this thread just as they show Justin Gatlin winning his 100 m heat !
     
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    I was scratching my head during is short interview afterwards. The guy has no qualms whatsoever.
     
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  47. Kunohara

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    To be fair I think Mystik is doping. He clearly is starting to roid rage on the forums.
     
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