Why American say "French Open"?

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  1. eliza

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    Hello.
    I had a discussion with an American player, who, not so kind, simply stated that Americans cannot care the less for European names, and besides these events are not "important".....
    So I am turning to you, curious about your thoughts.
    Why you call "Roland Garros" French Open? And what about Rome (Internationali Bnl dÍtalia) ?
    Nobody I know calls the US Open any other way........................
     
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  2. mtr1

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    I thought Roland Garros was the venue?
     
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    South Africans call it the French Open as well.

    But we get US commentary though. I think its the English speaking world that calls it the French.
     
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  4. GasquetGOAT

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    I thought it's called the "Nadal Open", no?
     
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  5. Bartelby

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    RG like Wimbledon must be the name of the club that 'produces' the event and hence it provides the name of the tournament or, at least, the name that the club chooses to give to the tournament it 'produces'.

    With the AO and USO they are probably organised by national associations; and hence the title reflects an overtly national dimension.

    The fact is that journalists probably don't think RG says tennis in quite the same way as Wimbledon does in the Anglosphere - and journalists control what we call things.
     
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  6. vsbabolat

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    The Official name of the tournament is Les internationaux de France de Roland-Garros. The French just call it Roland Garros. Also it is competition thing with Wimbledon

    So Before the advent of "Open" Tennis it was just referred to in English as the French Championships. Just like the U.S. Open was referred to as the U.S. Championships
     
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  7. Bartelby

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    French Open is therefore a respectable translation.
     
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  8. Mustard

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    Mats Wilander frequently calls it the French Open. I always see it as the French Open, which is currently played at Roland Garros. After all, it might move from Roland Garros at some point in the future. It very nearly did recently.
     
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  9. Bartelby

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    Except that RG is a brand name, universally recognised in France as tennis, so it will never be just a stadium name.
     
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  10. vsbabolat

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    The French Tennis Federation made it a Brand Name in the early 80's. Like Wimbledon they license out the name Roland Garros to create a nice revenue stream.
     
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  11. Cassius Clay

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    And why do Americans say "awesome" instead of "smashing" ?
     
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    I call it either or just depends on who i'm talking to i'm american btw
     
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  13. Joe Pike

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    In Germany we say "French Open" as well.
     
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  14. vsbabolat

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    Some people call the U.S. Open "Flushing Meadows". Rome used to be called the Italian Open before the whole Master Series thing came about.
     
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    The new "Roland Garros" APDGT is up with that name on the racquet, but advertised as the French Open version by TW.
     
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    To enlarge the question, I've wondered why countries that share an alphabet can't share geographical names. Firenze becomes Florence, Munchen becomes Munich, Milano becomes Milan, odd we have to use different names. (I read once that Florence was originated in WW1 or WW2 by American soldiers who liked to give women's names to almost everything.)
     
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  17. vsbabolat

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    Right. The FFT has everything branded as Roland Garros. That is how they want the tournament to be called.
     
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  18. jwbarrientos

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    In Argentina we mostly call Roland Garros and for mostly of us is the biggest Slam.
     
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    So if the French Open were to move away from Roland Garros, some people would still call it Roland Garros? That's ridiculous.
     
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    Without the accent, it sounds ridiculous! We may also resort to, "Freakin' Sweet!" when really impressed.

    Great question.
     
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    French Open is played at Roland Garros. As simple as that. Can be called either way.
     
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    hahaha..how funny!!!
     
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    Was this player a pro? What did he/she mean that European events are not important"?


    I always thought 'French Open' was the official name and 'Roland Garros' the unofficial one because its the name of the venue.I 've heard the US Open referred to as 'Flushing Meadow' for the same reason.
     
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  24. sureshs

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    RG was a WWI fighter pilot
     
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  25. Mainad

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    Lol...I think Florence Nightingale would have disagreed with you.She was born in that city in 1820 and named after it!
     
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  26. sureshs

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    Give me some freedom fries
     
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  27. SoCal10s

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    what do everyone call the U.S. Open? --- US open...
     
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    Florence was founded by the Romans in the 59B.C. and called Florentia. Or, if one is to believe wikipedia, Florentia is a corruption of Fluentia.

    Anyway, I guess at the time Romans were the major military power in the world, so you could say they were the Americans of the time. Their soldiers probably liked women too.
     
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  29. eliza

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    Thank you, very clear explanation. I know Roland Garros is the venue, but I never heard quoted any other way. The poster that says is a "journalistic thing"is probably right on!!!!

    Do you think these events are "less important"for a tennis player? Maybe because on clay?
     
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  30. eliza

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    100% right on, very powerful trade-mark.
     
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  31. Mustard

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    Does it really matter? Call it the French Open/Roland Garros or the US Open/Flushing Meadows, we all know what it means.
     
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  32. eliza

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    I love languages, and found this very bizarre. It is like every country tries to make the other his/hers, by changing the names of cities. Except we Italians: otherwise NY should be Nuova Yorka, or Detroit Ditroita.....Los Angeles, Gli Angeli (that's cute).....
     
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  33. eliza

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    No really, the discussion started with me keeping referring to Schiavone preparing for Roland Garros, and this guy keeping staring at me until he went: ohhh, you mean "the French Open".......
     
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  34. vsbabolat

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    The FFT wants to brand it's Major as Roland Garros. But remember that the FFT last year threatened to move the Tournament out of Stade Roland Garros if it could not expand the sight. Also the French Championships have been going on before Stade Roland Garros was constructed in 1928. So the tournament really is the French Open. Roland Garros is the venue.
    In Europe and South America the French Open or if you prefer Roland Garros is the most important tournament of the year. While in the U.S. it is Wimbledon and the U.S. Open that holds the most importance. Or if you live in Asia the Australian Open is the most important tournament on the calender.
     
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    I though Americans called everything French: toasts, fries, kisses, and everything that the French didn't invent whatsoever.

    So why not call French the French Open, that is really French.
     
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    Roland Garros is not ony the name of the place, it's the trademark, and how everybody in France calls the tournament. There is no French translation for "French Open". Paris-Bercy is sometimes refered as l'Open de France but it's rare.
     
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    Technically "Wimbledon" is actually "The Championships Wimbledon" (shortened from the original "The Lawn Tennis Championships") and the host club is "The All England Lawn Tennis and Croquet Club"

    The French Open was orignally the French Men's Singles Championship and later became "The French Internationals" when players outside of French clubs we allowed to enter. Roland Garros was indeed an aviator and the condition of building the new National Tennis Centre in 1928 was that it is was named after him. It is only in recent years that the French Championships have been heavily marketed as "Roland Garros" and around Europe the name "The French Open" is certainly us, propably initially as a simplification of "French Internationals".

    There is a similar situation in Golf where in the US "The Open Championship" is called the "British Open" to distinguish it from the "US Open". This is entirely uneccessary as we all know that "The Open" is the original and best golf championship in the world and fully deserves its title!

    Cheers

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  38. vsbabolat

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    Stade Roland Garros is not the name of the 8.5 hectare 20 court facility. Paris-Bercy used to be called the Paris Open outside of France until the whole Master Series came along.
     
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  39. woodrow1029

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    Why do Brits say "smashing" instead of "awesome?"
     
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    IMO, it's as ridiculous as the French naming the venue as they did. Roland Garros was a war hero or something and never had anything to do with tennis did he? But to be fair, when the USTA moved the USO to Flushing NY the first stadium court was named Louie Armstrong Stadium. Maybe the USTA should have refered to the USO as "Louie Armstrong"!
     
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    A big reason is because growing up, that's literally all you hear. Almost all American television commentaors and journalists refer to it as the "French Open". And, if no one corrects you, why would you say otherwise? Plus, the name makes "sense" when compared to US Open or Australian Open.
     
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    Roland Garros was a person. Kind of like calling Wimbledon "Tim Henman".
     
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    He obviously wanted to warn you about the "dumb ignorant American" stereotype in the unlikely event you ever met one.
     
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    I thought we said "splendid".

    Isn't Roland Garros that guy with a splendid one handed backhand who got booked for cocaine 2 years back. later turned out some doped girl snogged him.??
     
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    Why do Americans say "French Fries"? There is nothing French about them.
     
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    What's that game played on a clay court ?

    Oh yes, Lawn Tennis !!
     
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    Because Americans are xenophobic, no?

    Just kidding, but people that generalize like that are lame. Mostly likely this person is trying to justify their bias, by hiding behind the common notion that all Americans are self obsessed and could care less about the rest of the world.
     
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    It seems that it's too much effort for people in a country where English is the official language to bother to speak the name of a foreign cities the way they are known in their country. There has always been a feeling of smug superiority in English speaking countries IMO and almost a pride in stumbling over and pointing out how silly difficult "foreign" words are to pronounce....and laughing at the names.


    It's not Moscow...it's Moskva! No reson why English speakers people can't say that word.
     
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