Why are Olympic umpires calling the player's names instead of their nation's names?

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  1. sureshs

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    No, it means Federer's name can be used as he is differently rewarded from Wawrinka, even though they are both Swiss. Federer winning gold is more information that Switzerland winning gold.
     
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  2. InvisibleSoul

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    Fallacious argument. Just because there may be some aspect of playing for themselves in Davis Cup does not invalidate the fact that the Olympics is MAINLY about the individuals, not the country.

    Davis Cup is mainly about the country, very little to do with the individual players.

    Olympics is mainly about the individual players, much less so about the country.

    That's the difference.
     
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  3. woodrow1029

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    You're about the only one that I can see that THINKS you are right.

    It's an individual sport, not a team sport. If it were set up like Davis Cup or Fed Cup, they would use the country name.

    They announced the players' names in Athens and Beijing as well. I am assuming it was the same in Sydney, Atlanta, Barcelona and Seoul as well.
     
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  4. sureshs

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    Remember that in the ancient Olympics in Greece, men ran naked. So your idea does not have historical sanction.
     
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  5. batz

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    Apologies if somebody has already pointed out the bleedin' obvious, but in addition the the most excellent points you have made, in Fed/Davis Cup it is not possible for a situation to arise where, e.g. Spain was playing Spain. This is not the case at the Olympics.
     
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  6. BreakPoint

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    Really? Then why are all the "individuals" grouped by country during the opening ceremony? Why do the "individuals" wear their country's colors or have their country's flags on their outfits? Why do they play the country's national anthem for these "individuals"? Why do the doubles players have to play with someone from the same country instead of choosing any "individual" of their liking?
     
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    To avoid such travesty in the future, every tennis player should change their last name to their country's name for the duration of the Olympics. For example, Roger Switzerland and Novak Serbia would be considered the favorites in these Olympics. In the unlikely event that two players with the same first name from the same country should meet, then the higher ranked player would be referred to as 'I', and the lower ranked player as 'II'. For example, Maria Russia I vs Maria Russia II.
     
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  8. BreakPoint

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    Yet, the on screen graphic in the corner that shows the score only shows each nation's name and flag without any players' names.
     
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  9. BreakPoint

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    In ancient Greece, all the athletes were from Greece so there was no need to call out the countries' names. :)

    Also, there was no tennis played in ancient Greece.
     
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  10. BreakPoint

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    Please cite one case in which this has happened in recent Olympic tennis.

    Besides, what do they do when Venus plays Serena? It's not very hard to figure out and make a minor adjustment in these rare cases.
     
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    It depends on what channel and court you are watching. Today, I was watching the streaming video, and for the Fed/Waw doubles match it had just SUI and JPN, but on one of the other courts, the graphic had the flag and the player's names.
     
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  12. BreakPoint

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    Was that on NBCOlympics.com? Because all of the matches that I have streamed from NBCOlympics.com (the official streaming site in the U.S.) and all of the matches that I have seen live on Bravo TV (both singles and doubles) ONLY had the nations' names and their flags and no players names on the graphic in the upper left hand corner.
     
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    Hm, I watched some stuff today and in badminton the scoreline was displayed with the country flag, not the person's name.
     
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  14. woodrow1029

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    Yes it was NBCOlympics.com. It was today. The only reason I even noticed it was because I was thinking, BreakPoint should be watching now. :)

    Maybe it's just a spacesaver. I don't know. When they show the full score at the bottom of the screen, they show the flag and the player's name.
     
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  15. woodrow1029

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    Also, during the Fognini vs. Djokovic match, on NBCOlympics.com, they had the whole names at the top of the screen. Before the rain delay, anyway they did, then after the rain delay, it was just the flag. I just watched the replay.
     
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  16. woodrow1029

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    Federer vs. Falla also had the players' names at the top.
     
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  17. woodrow1029

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    Harrison vs. Giraldo also had both players names at the top for at least part of the match. Anyways, I think I have proven you wrong enough for now. So, I will let it be at that.
     
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  18. BreakPoint

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    Yes, but I'm referring to the on screen graphic that is always on screen in the upper left corner during points, not what they flash just before commercial breaks.
     
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  19. woodrow1029

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    See my last 3 posts. They are showing the full names in the top left in a lot of matches.
     
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    Not during the live match because I saw it. They had "COL" and the Colombia flag and "SUI" and the Swiss flag under it. No player's names at all.
     
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  21. woodrow1029

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    I just went back and watched the replay on NBCOlympics.com. That was one that stuck out in my head that I saw live and the names were there, and I went back and watched to make sure I was correct. At least for part of the match, they had the flag and the last name of both players in the top left corner.
     
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    BBC, as far as I remember, just have the flag and country name on the graphic at the top left of the screen. I think they should have the player's name, it seems odd to me.
     
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  23. sdont

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    Do players of a same country all receive a medal when one of them wins one? Answer: no.

    The thing you see on your screen when watching TV means nothing, it's just a choice of the broadcaster.

    Off the top of my head, I can't find an individual sport where you play as your country. Only teams are called "USA", "France", etc.
     
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  24. rommil

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    They really need to call the nation's name. I barely could tell the difference between the Swiss and the Japanese doubles teams today especially that they wore the same color uniforms.:)
     
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    Yeah. Good, that Soeda was wearing a white cap.
     
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  26. Leto

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    Wow...you've got a short memory...

    Back in 2008, there were so many top women players from Russia, it was almost bound to end up with some Russia vs Russia matchups (which can only really occur starting from the semifinals and onwards).

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennis_at_the_2008_Summer_Olympics_–_Women's_singles#Draw
     
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  27. stormholloway

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    Once again, you ignore anything that debunks your argument.

    First of all, countrymen compete against each other all the time in many events. It is not always one country vs. another. You're suggesting they create an inconsistent motif where if players are from a different country they call out the country but if they're from the same country they use their names. Not only would this create inconsistencies just in tennis, but this would be the only individual competitor event where the country is called out. Should do they this for track and field too? It's silly.

    Plus, as was already pointed out: competitors represent their nations but are awarded individually. That is the official description of the game.
     
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  28. sureshs

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    How would you distinguish Federer and Wawrinka if both played naked?
     
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    I would hate to point out at the obvious ******* answer, but here it goes:

    Fed has no balls.
     
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  30. laughingbuddha

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    Because only Rafa cares about his country. The rest are unpatriotic, godless sodomites.
     
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  31. BreakPoint

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    Who watches women's tennis? :) Besides, I only see 2 matches out of the total 63 matches in which both players were from the same country. So they should do something just because 2 out of 63 matches needed an adjustment? How many other times has it ever happened and has it ever happened in a men's draw?

    In any case, how many times in their careers have Venus and Serena played each other? Lots. All they needed to do was make a minor adjustment and call their first names along with their last names. So what's the big deal with calling both the last name AND the name of the country in the very RARE event that two players from the same country play each other?
     
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  32. BreakPoint

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    So it is with the Davis Cup as well. See my pic above.

    There's no umpire calling out the score in track and field nor swimming. What you hear is the TV commentator which the athlete on the track or in the pool cannot hear. Thus, calling out the nation's names is not going to give the athletes any more sense of national pride and identity.

    Like I said earlier, how often have two players from the same country played each other in the Olympics out of the thousands that have been played? I can probably count the number on one hand. That's not enough to do things a certain way just to accommodate something that only happens once in a blue moon. That would be like Wimbledon instituting a tie-break in the 5th set at 60-all, just in case we get another 70-68 5th set.
     
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  33. BreakPoint

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    Wawrinka uses a more extreme grip. :)
     
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  34. Leto

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    I don't really care what the umps announce on court, since even a 4-year old would be able to keep track of what's going on either way. Was just pointing out your shortsighted argument that nobody could cite the same country having two players face each other anytime recent, when obviously, the very mot recent Olympics had it occur in two straight matches.

    It's similar to a number of arguments you've made in this thread that have been (rather easily) brushed aside by others (most notably, the Olympic Charter clearly stating that it all boils down to the individuals, not the countries :rolleyes:).

    Anyway, at least it was an interesting thread compared to the never-ending Fed vs Rafa garbage that most threads devolve into around here :)
     
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  35. tennishotdog

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    someones racking up their post counts.
     
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  36. BreakPoint

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    Yeah, two matches out of the THOUSANDS that have been played. I guess they should ban Venus from ever playing Serena because they have the same last name so there's no way they can figure out how to call the score. :roll:

    And it's not about the spectators. Sure, the spectators know who's playing on court either way. It's about giving the players that special feeling of playing for their countries that comes from calling out their nation's names. It reminds them that they are representing their countries and that this is the Olympics. Otherwise, it's just another minor tournament on the calendar like any other, nothing special, just playing for yourself again like you do every week.
     
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  37. BreakPoint

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    You're right. When Michael Phelps wins a swimming race, Roddick doesn't get a medal.

    That must mean neither are representing the USA. :???:
     
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  38. Sentinel

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    BreakPoint.

    Just let it go. Let. It. Go.

    You don't have a point, let alone a break point.
     
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  39. sdont

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    You misunderstood. I don't know if you're being thick on purpose, but anyway, can you cite me an individual sport at the Olymics where the athletes are called by their country name?
     
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    There is a new rule that all badminton and table tennis players from all countries are to be simply called "China."
     
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  41. Leto

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    Whatever, man :rolleyes:

    Like I said, I couldn't care less either way, but I'm definitely looking forward to the Pros speaking out against this outrage. For now, they are probably keeping silent on this most blasphemous of blasphemies until the Olympics are over, but oh boy...the **** gonna hit the fan once the games are over! Will be the biggest scandal the IOC will have faced in years! :shock:

    The losers in each round, will all have 100% valid excuses, since without the ump using the name of their country, there was NO WAY they would be able to get motivated enough to care about winning at the Olympics :rolleyes:
     
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  42. BreakPoint

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    I am not aware of another individual Olympic sport in which there's an umpire that calls out the score after every point.
     
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  43. woodrow1029

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    Badminton. And today, in badminton, after China won the first game against Great Britain, the chair umpire said "PLAYERS NAMES won the first set 21-13". He did not say CHINA.
     
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  44. BreakPoint

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    I watched some of the badminton on replay and I couldn't hear the umpire say anything after each point. I also watched the fencing but couldn't hear the umpire call out either the players' nor the nations' names.
     
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    This thread is such a productive use of time...
     
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  46. woodrow1029

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    After every point, the umpire was saying the score (only score, no names). At the end of the game is when he announced which players won the game. He used the names, not China.

    Anyway, you are wrong, again. I'm done with this subject because you are only looking to increase your ridiculous post count.
     
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  47. sureshs

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    This thread sharpens your debating skills and keeps you mentally sharp, thus preventing Alzheimers in old age.
     
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  48. sdont

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    Surely you have seen at least one medal ceremony?
     
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  49. BreakPoint

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    Yes, I have, and I've never heard any umpires calling out scores during the medal ceremonies. All I hear are the national anthems of the gold medal winners and not their individual favorite songs being played. :)
     
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    The scoring graphic on the television only shows the country (not the name of the player), so the OP has a point
     

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