Why buy brand new racquets?

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  1. looseleftie

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    Hey all,
    Wondering why there seems to be so many people with the new brand racquets, when the previous model, or the model before is a fraction of the cost, and would suit their intermediate game just the same??
    Is it vanity?

    Kinda like the average Joe walking into the club with their 9 racquet bag!! I just don't understand..

    Maybe it's just me and I'm getting old and grumpy :)
     
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  2. pshulam

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    Like everything else (e.g., cell phone, hand-held PC, TV, camera), consumers want the latest. Tennis gear (racquet, shoe) or wear is no exception. We need them to keep the economy going.
     
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  3. Overdrive

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    PS, you're right.

    I will never buy a racquet over $100.
     
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  4. esgee48

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    I prefer the term frugal. 'Cheapskate' works for me. It's a personal issue for people whether they want the latest or just a little-out-of-date. YMMV.
     
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  5. coachrick

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    Tennis players are absolutely frugal when compared to golfers. I've known guys who own as many putters as a good sized pro shop ;) . And 'drivers'...holy cow...$400 each and Joe Duffer gets a new one every season!

    It certainly is smart to shop for last year's model if performance per dollar is what you seek. As has been stated many times on this board, there hasn't been a compelling technology (requiring replacement of rackets ) in many, many years.

    On the other hand, it's hard NOT to look at the latest and greatest offerings in rackets, hand guns, bicycles, workshop tools, vehicles, etc., etc.

    Just take a look at this watch forum:
    http://forums.watchuseek.com/forum.php
     
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  6. heftylefty

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    I can't remember the last time a bought a "new" in season racquet. I buy used stick from many seasons ago and if I really like it, I'll try to find a new one of the exact same model.
     
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  7. IA-SteveB

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    I agree. If a racquet has fictional GT technology and the new model has GT-X technology, you've just got to have it because it might give you the edge you need to move up a court in 3.0 club league. :)
     
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  8. NJ1

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    Perhaps it's a bit of that. :) It doesn't bother me if people want the latest and can afford it, but I always buy sports stuff at discount simply because I refuse to be totally ripped off by huge companies like Nike or huge outlets like TW et al by paying their crazy original prices.

    I paid $125 for my sticks when the new model came out and was $200. I do the same with shoes, when mainly white ones drop to from $130 to $80 I'll buy them which works out as $40 pair after a warranty. You get stuff that has a recent manufacture date, but without the markup. Win-Win in my book.
     
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  9. Carolina Racquet

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    I completely agree! If you're patient, you can find gently used newer frames at a huge discount because there are so many racquetholics out there.

    Further, buying a discounted frame is the way to truly demo the racquet, allowing you to fiddle with the string and weight setup.
     
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  10. ollinger

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    Can't beat the unsheathing/deflowering of a new racquet grip, peeling back the plastic to expose your new playmate.
     
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    because I want Tennis Warehouse to stay in business :)
     
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  12. magnut

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    Some of use dont even buy new racquet bags. Most of mine are vintage era. For racquets increased profit margions to remain profitable has results in frames that are cheap feeling....hence the reason many here play with discontinued frames. Even the more economical frames of old played better than most of the stuff out there now. The are some exceptions of course but you are going to pay well over $100 when you could spend as little as $5. I just picked up a prince graphite 2 mid size(Rafter's stick) for $5 and thats a tour level frame. THat level of frame is about as good as you can get and make the modern stuff feel like a cheap junior frame from walmart.

    As for handguns....they dont make them like they used to. Unlike racquets they hold there value quite well so the deals are a little harder to come by. Especially in the current political environment when everyone is going out to buy firearms for fear of communist takeover. No joke.
     
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    Being decked out with the latest, greatest, and trendiest gear distracts onlookers from my ugly game....

    -Jon
     
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  15. Fearsome Forehand

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    Very careful with money. :)

    People who don't have a game attempt to buy one. Same rule applies to golf.
     
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  16. Relinquis

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    a lot of people replace stock grips with leather, or thier favourite grip... when buying used, one would do the same...

     
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  17. Sander001

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    I like stiffer racquets. Been playing with the same 6 frames for nearly 7yrs and they're definitely losing their crispyness.

    I'm looking for a more recent Prestige Mid now. They've been in constant production since the beginning of time yet prices still aren't that low. Have my eye on a Flexpoints and it's still $100![​IMG]
     
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  18. magnut

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    Try some of the different lesser known pro kennex frames. They play about the same. Some even better.

    Prestige mids are a great mold though. I have a bunch of them myself.
     
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  19. v-verb

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    I got 2 used sticks from TW in the last week - a Steam 99S and a POG Longbody.

    I bought a fair bit of new string from TW though:):): Used string doesn't work so well:shock:
     
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    Proudly play with plenty of sticks that retailed for over $150-$200 when new, but I never payed more than $55 for any of them.

    The beauty of most sports is plenty of people will go out, spend tons of cash on gear, only to find out they suck at it or just hate it.....then the gear ends up on "The Bay" and I snag it at a fraction of the cost.

    Best find so far was a $15 Craigslist Pro Staff Classic 6.1 95.....literally looked like someone played a set at the most....my main stick for past 5 years! Nothing beats blowing someone off the court with a brand new stick and telling them yours is 20 years old when they ask why they haven't heard of it and didn't see it in the store last week.

    I've been tempted by the new models, and I'll demo, but yet to find one that feels good enough to justify not just using a used or older version of it. If something new comes out, just have patience and within 6 months to a year you'll have it on the cheap.
     
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  21. magnut

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    Thats a nice score. Best I have done is $5 for a 9/10 Condition Prince Graphite 2 midplus (Rafters Racquet). I cant tell you how many times I hit with juniors and they try my frames. Next thing you know they start adding wieght and are trying to find something more flexible.
     
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  22. millicurie999

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    That's what I do. My best score on the bay was a babolat pure storm gt ltd with full bed of vs gut for $65.00.
     
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  23. HRB

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    Nice! I guess the racquet manufacturers hate people like us, but we've caught onto their dilemma...which is they make a product that doesn't really wear out for years if properly cared for, so once we find something we hit great with all motivation to buy new is lost!:twisted:
     
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  24. rosewall4ever

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    you ask why.. ego...insecurities/deficiencies in ourselves and game...we live and been conditioned in a consumerist lifestyle...hapless wannabes...why do even ask???

    i myself like buying new superseded models...do i really need that new model of slighly differing specs?(which will mostly likely be customised by me anyway).will it really significanly help?...no and no. if we think we do then we're fooling ourselves
     
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  25. SFrazeur

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    Some racquets are better than previous generations while some are not. For me the best Wilson line was nCode. Babolats (Pure, Aero Drives however seem to be improving each time. A subjective matter though.
     
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  26. thebossofbosses

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    There is no reason

    There really is no reason, but it is mostly for the newer player. They do not realize that they can replace the bumpers, grommets, etc. But if you are experienced enough or do enough research it does not make any sense for even the most slight frugal person.
     
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    Because if I like it and want some more, it's very likely I won't be able to find it anymore, able to play the same frame and not forced to switch is faaarrr more important than 200 bucks.
     
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  28. spinovic

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    I think you've hit on something here. When I got back into tennis, I wanted to get a good new racquet that I could play with for a while. And, I got one. But, as I've learned more about racquets/equipment, etc. as I've played, I have a much better understanding. Now I know it isn't necessary to upgrade or have the newest model/technology.

    1. Getting prior models that drop in price when the new ones come out
    2. Buying used from TW.
    3. Buying or trading on the TT forum.

    All are excellent options for getting a quality racquet without paying top dollar. Sometimes you can even find the newest models, with little use, on the forum. I recently traded a Donnay X-Dual Silver 99 that I bought used for about $63 for a Volkl Organix 10 325 that wouldn't have been in better condition had I bought it new. You can't always get that lucky, but if you're patient and smart about it, you can get something good for a reasonable price.
     
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  29. luishcorreia

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    Hand guns? Seriously???
     
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  30. magnut

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    Absolutley! So says Beretta Vertec Elite 9mm with a 30rd Magazine!
     
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    Here in the great state of Texas, USA, handguns are a daily accessory for many citizens. While quality handguns hold their value very well and don't really deteriorate over time(with modest care), there's always something new and different on the horizon. Models aren't rendered 'obsolete' like tennis rackets(every year or two); but there's frequently something just different enough to warrant a look-see.

    Unfortunately, our home downsizing and pup's cancer-fighting 'project' have encouraged me to reduce my personal collection by about half. :(
     
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  32. lgbalfa

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    I always buy last season's brand new discounted models whenever I make a racquet change.

    Just purchased 3 Dunlop AG 4D 100's from TW for $60.
     
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    I've bought my last few racquets used through the TW forums. Mainly for environmental reasons. I believe the best form of recycling is reuse, and I'm trying to do this as much as possible. Sure you get a slightly scratched racquet, but if the condition report is true, you're generally getting a pretty good deal — even on current racquets.
     
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  34. Hannah19

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    Even the average used racket on a 2nd hand site won't dissappoint you quality wise. Of all the rackets I've bought that way, only a very small percentage turned out to be in lesser condition than advertised.
    Many young trendsetters or midlife crisis guys think that buying the latest equipment will improve their game, only to find out it only briefly boosts their faded confidence and self esteem. Before you know it they will end up in garage sales or Craiglists because they've heard that the latest BLX technilligy really should improve their game not realizing BLX stands for ********-Like Xperiment....! (the *** mean cow manure written with a B)
     
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    Shhh...We might get banned by the TW moderator! Ha Ha..we're being "anti-salesman" for their new inventory!
     
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    I will say, that if money was no factor, I'd buy new ones. With all things being equal, I prefer new (with anything).
     
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    Another victim willing to enrich the allready massive bank accounts of the tennis players that endorse these "hot air, new and improved" racket technology.
    Pitty......:(
     
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  38. retrowagen

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    We need an upstart manufacturer who produces quality racquets that are not detrimental to one's game or body, nor that go out of style within one season.

    Unfortunately, given the shaky condition of the tennis market currently, and the now-ingrained habit patterns of consumers, this probably is a terrible business plan. I'd purchase a few racquets annually while the magic lasted.
     
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  39. magnut

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    Yes I agree. Nice flexable and well wieghted frames with plain graphics....you know...solid colors with a classy pin stripe. My hope is that the racquet companies at some point will start re-issueing the classics again like wilson and prince have. The molds are still out there. Head should bring back the original prestige.
     
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  40. NJ1

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    :rolleyes:how open-minded of you
     
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  41. coachrick

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    1990s Volkl had the right plan. Nice line of arm-friendly rackets that were given at least a two-year lease on life. Oh, well. :(
     
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  42. magnut

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    Yeah those were pretty nice. I remember they had a pretty big push marketing wise. Quite a few players used them both on the tour and club level. It seems like Babolat came in and stole their thunder. I was particularly fond of that flexy yellow and black one 90in head size....C10 was it?

    Probably the best thing now are the Pro Kennex player frame. That Redondo is pretty nice.
     
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    Fischer, too, in the early 90's (through 1993 and perhaps just beyond) had a complete line of excellent racquets; wide, tapered, and narrow beams, mids, midplusses, and oversized designs, super-high quality, all easy on the joints and muscles, great playability, decent-looking... but why did they not take over the worldwide tennis market? :neutral:

    Voelkl, by the way, were one of the first European manufacturers to have made the leap to full-scale subcontracted Asian production; 1988, IIRC. Fischer was probably one of the last (at some point in 1993).
     
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  44. magnut

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    LOL, I have over 20 Vacume pro classic 90 frames if that should tell you anything. That particular frame is in my top five....maybe top 3.....I change my mind....Its the GOAT Racquet LOL.

    Serioussly though....they are really nice sticks. Dream racquet for volleys.
     
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  45. retrowagen

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    Agreed; I have some of these too, thought the later ones marked "Vacuum Pro Classic 90" and "Fischer Austria" with oval sticker are made in Taiwan, not Austria, and were not molded with the proprietery Fischer Vacuum Technic process, and have a foamed grip pallet instead of a solid carbon fiber grip pallet, so they play not quite as "pure" as the earlier Austrian-made item.
     
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    I feel the same way. I haven't had to buy new rackets since high school and this time around when I wanted to try out a pure drive roddick + I went ahead and did a demo as well as purchased the older versions. Bought 2 for the price of 1 current model. Good deal to me. And they were brand new.
     
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  47. magnut

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    Mine are all the one piece frames and grips. I have hit with the foam grips ones. There really is not that much difference so I wouldnt feel bad about it. Certainly not enough difference to choose one over the other. Unless its really in your head. They all play great. I have never tried the larger headsize version of these as the 90 always felt perfect. Mine are pretty heavily modified. They are very hand heavy and I had to ditch the fischer buttcaps as they have almost no flare. One of them went flying on a kick serve once and cracked on me. My frames are all well, well over 14 ounces but they cut through the air like butta. Long throught makes them really stable, thin beam is very aerodynamic, feel is superb, power is easy.

    There have been a lot of great players to use this frame. Everything from feel baseliners like (Wilander), to soft touch (McEnroe), to bombers (Stich). Its one of those frames that everyone seems to play well with reguardless of style.
     
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  48. Hannah19

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    Point taken....!!
     
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    If I had money to burn, I wouldn't be a victim of anything. And, I'd enrich more than just tennis players - I'd enrich manufactuers of all shapes and sizes. :) I'd certainly do my part to stimulate the economy...

    ...only if I had the money? :(
     
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  50. NLBwell

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    Because the old ones wore out after many years and I liked the new ones best of the ones I demoed. If I pro-rate the cost over 5 or 6 years, it's worth having the one I play with the best than the $50.
     
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