why cant johnny blaze get an ATP point?

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  1. pushing_wins

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    Lotta talk. I think maybe he should try USING his talent, not fight it.
     
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    Is he a ttw poster?
     
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    he isn't good enough, that's all. You can be as fit as you want but if you don't have the shots, forget it..
     
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    Nah, John(ny 'Blaze') Valenti has been around for years, he is quite a character but isn't much of a player.
     
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    I remember reading his site way back, maybe in 2004? He's been playing for a while, and used to not sure if he still does, but used to keep a blog with photos from all his travels on his site.
     
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    It starts with the strokes, this guy has been grinding for 10 years now in futures and has yet to get an ATP point, and it's only going to get tougher with the improved depth at the futures and qualifying level. Funny guy, I wish him all the best, he has no weapons, but is a good player. 5.0+, but not capable of getting a point on tour. He has gotten as far as you can with footwork/conditioning as your primary weapon, it takes quite a bit more after that.
     
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    ive got a lot of respect for the dude. he's living his life to the fullest and looks like he's having tons of fun. i have him on FB and talk to him once in a while. he's just a happy feller. he's pretty decent of a player too, he'd be able to hold his own here i'm sure.
     
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    he reminds me of spadea for some reason
     
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    Never heard of the guy prior to this thread, but I clicked on the original link anyway. Thought he was kind of a nut, but his crazy determination got me curious enough to go to his site. Clicked around for a while and I have to say I'm a fan. Dude loves the game, and knows he's not got the talent or technique of his opponents, but refuses to give in. He's got a dream, and he's living it, and taking all the heartbreak that comes along with it.

    Like most adult males, I had dreams of athletic glory growing up, and at some point realized that I didn't have what it takes. I moved on to a path toward a nice, dull life of an office job, kids' soccer on Saturdays, and tennis only as a bit of minor competition and excercise.

    I'm very happy, and wouldn't trade places with this dude given the chance, but there's something awesome about a guy who's out there keeping it going for absolutely nothing but the pure love of the game.

    Oh, and one more thing. This is the best "bag check" ever in my book:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ad05TyHaTfA&feature=relmfu
     
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    So muscles isn't where it's at for tennis? It's better to have unreal hand-eye coordination like Federer.
     
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    Been looking at some blogs and other things about this guy, have to respect his dedication to the sport. He deserves at least 1 win for the amount of love for the game he has.
     
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    Been perusing some vids, haven't seen HIM hitting at all. Has he posted vids of him hitting, or is this all hearsay?
    I assume ( I, ass, u, and me) he can hit pretty well.
     
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    I had a pretty extensive look at his profile; couldn't find a post with actual hitting?? So yeah... anyone got a link?
     
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    I found very little. Here's one of the few matchplay vids I found. Apologies in advance if it is not truly representative. I have no idea. WARNING: it ain't pretty.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSODJQYHpIs
     
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    Maybe he started late. If someone starts after the age of 10 the chances of becoming a pro are minimal. It has to be a freak to occur. And even if you start early (before 7) it takes a lot of time and practice.
     
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    He seems to lag in intelligence department of mental capacity. Unless he improves that it'll hold back all the other parts of development in mastering a skill.
     
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    This guy is hilarious. Good for him. All desire and (almost) no talent. Some guys have a ton of natural talent but no heart.
     
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    The guy's an entertainer. Oddly his backhand is miles ahead of his forehand, which seems to be a weird loopy motion that hits topspin moonballs and nothing else. Perhaps he should spend a month out of the year taking lessons rather than traveling.
     
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    Wow not pretty at all.... He needs a few coaching sessions
     
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    JV is a long running side show to the futures circuit. Going on 10+ years now. Seems like a good dude, a never ending bit. More power to the guy just having fun, travelling to tournaments. Helps some of the younger guys get to tournaments, strings racquets.

    He's actually gotten a point or two in doubles. Never in singles though. And yeah, that forehand is pretty brutal.

    Pretty sure he played D1 somewhere (UNC maybe). His blog is crazy.
     
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    At first I didn't remember I've seen video of this crazy guy before, but I heard about him here years ago.

    He hits his FH late with almost an all arm motion, at least in that short video clip. It certainly doesn't seem to be a weapon.

    It appears we have the answer to the original question: he's not a very good player and doesn't seem to have any weapons. However, he has gotten beat downs from some good players such as Querrey and Isner.
     
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    why doesnt he change things up? he been doing the same thing for 10 years and it is obviously not working. thats definition of insanity - doing the same thing and expecting different results. maybe he is not expecting or doesnt want to win. the objective is just to have fun.
     
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    Short vid.
    Looks like a pure pusher, with consistency and fitness his only strengths. Serve seem OK.
    Chickenwing forehands, taken late, bicep pointing at the opponent, that's what it looks like. Prolly conti grip.
    No weapons, can win in lower 4.5's.
     
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    This is bad practice...

    No matter how many balls you hit, if you don't bother studying tennis, you won't get better. You have to understand HOW to hit the shots.

    That being said, this guy will get destroyed by the singles players I played against in high school. They're not even rich.

    EDIT: Now that I looked at a couple of videos, he sure does have the spirit and the skill to try and win.

    I was being pretentious. But he still seems like the average college player, nothing else. He's certainly luckier than the vast majority of us, so I don't see what's all the complaining in his video. He needs to study, learn to hit even harder, place shots, etc. With a bit of thought, he can probably come out an ATP player. I'm all for him, but too bad he just sounds douchy all the time for me to care.
     
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    Valenti (Jonny Blaze) has been around for ages. Does an absolute ton of travelling from tournament to tournament (used to be an in old van with a stringing machine in the back to pay the bills).

    He's pretty eccentric, a real free spirit, but really driven, works tremendously hard, and is a REAL character. I had a email conversation with him a while back.

    I'm also pretty sure he does have a couple ATP points. He's also better than most of the people on these boards. Obviously, he's not a true 'Pro' player but the reality of tournament play is that you grind out results in whatever way that you can. To be say that he's a low 4.5 is ridiculous.
     
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  30. pushing_wins

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    not in singles
     
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    that sums it up. bad practice is worse than not practicing. is it the lack of introspection that leads to bad practice?
     
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    Ridiculous is not being able to understand what you read.
    Blaze can WIN in lower 4.5's. He cannot possibly win a real big draw 4.5 tourney.
    No backhand winner, but very consistent push.
    Pure push no weapon forehand, prolly lobs great off that side.
    Great fitness and desire.
    OK serve.
    No chance a real 5.0, no matter where he has played.
     
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    That FH is rubbish, it truly is. I wonder if he has ever tried to do anything about it or if he is so focussed on all that 'fitter than them' BS that he just lives with the game he has.

    he looks okish in the hit up, but then just loops those awful FHs in the match.
     
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    You're just wrong. He played D1 tennis, he went three sets with Victor Estrella, he has tons of match experience, he would beat any legitimately rated 4.5 player and most 5.0 players. I have seen this guy in person, you're just basing your opinion on a youtube video, that's never a good idea.
     
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    i dont get it, how does this guy get to just enter challengers and not have to qualify. or is he qualifying for these entries. where i live you cannot just enter a tournament with line people and chair umpires without having to qualify or something.
     
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    He lost 6-0, 6-3 to Kevin Anderson 2 years ago, do you know a bunch of 4.5's that can get 3 games in a set from Kevin Anderson? Let alone any 4.5's?
     
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    Don't mind LeeD. He just likes talking...
     
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    LeeD, you know we agree on many things. In this case, you're wrong. Outright wrong. He HAS ATP points in dubs, something no 4.5 could get. He's gone the distance with a fairly well-known Challenger-level player (Estrella). He played legit D1 tennis. Please, just admit you're wrong.
     
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    Lol at lee d. Don't forget lee d still thinks he can hang with 5.0 in dubs. First strike tennis and all....
     
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    That guy is living the dream. He's like my exact opposite. I would never make a decision to live out of my car and pursue tennis - I'm not that much of a risk taker (and not that good at tennis). I've got good looking strokes but lack in fitness and make a lot of unforced errors. This guy has "ugly" strokes but great fitness and makes few unforced errors. (While I may call his strokes ugly, I have no doubt this guy would destroy me in tennis). I wish this guy well. I wonder, however, what his long-term plan is for when he turns 40 and has no savings, job or health insurance.

    BTW, here is a profile on the guy: http://www.florida.usta.com/florida...s_presidents_message_john_valenti_profile111/

    After having read that article on him, I change my opinion. He's a smart guy with a "plan b" because he's making money stringing rackets, keeping his expenses down, and has a couple of rental properties. Keep living the dream, John!!
     
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    Yes, Agassi and Federer have better hand/eye/body coordination than mere mortals. Federer's entire body has a unison and harmony of movement that separates him from us mere mortals. This is why Federer never looks rushed and has a lot less injuries than others. Agassi was also touched by the tennis DNA gods in that his timing was perfect which gave him the ability to track a super fast incoming ball, take it on a short bounce, and hit it back harder than it came in - and do this consistently over and over.
     
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    I agree that we have evidence that Blaze has played at above the 5.0 level. When I said he wasn't a good player, I meant he wasn't a good player in comparison to those playing at the Futures level. His record shows that his quest is quixotic at his current skill level.

    He still looks incredibly fit, moves well on the court, but doesn't seem to have any really strong weapons. Or at least that's what I saw in about fifteen seconds of video.
     
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc_YFheJjp0
     
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    OK, I'm wrong.
    BUT.... does going 4 rounds in a Q event get any points? I did that once, the other Q going 3 rounds. I never bothered to check if I got points because that was in '78 and '79, before quick results. OK, memory is wrong, I went one more round both Q's.
    And I was a B player, or 4.5. And this was SINGLES.
    No player with only a lob forehand can be a 5.0. How can he possibly hit a passing shot? His backhand is also weak. High floaters mostly.
    True, today's players hardly ever come to net at 5.5, but he can't WIN any matches, he can only rely on his opponent's getting frustrated and bored and start to spray shots out.
    And I said I can hang with 4.5 in doubles. Against 5.0's, I can only hold serve with a solid net player. He never has to poach, only not miss his overheads and putaway volleys. Against year before's No.2 Harvard singles, I can win maybe 2 points per service game, usually the ball goes to my partner anyways. AND OF COURSE, one in 3 I have a blowup service game.
     
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    Whoever said LeeD talks too much and does too little was right.
     
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    This guy was really D1?

    He must be extremely consistent, because he appears to have no real weapons besides his fitness. That's not usually gonna get it done at D1, holding serve consistently would be pretty tough.

    Maybe low-low tier D1?
     
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    Torres...
    You know lots of guys here say they are visiting the SFBayArea and looking for 4.0 tennis.
    I've left my number here at least to 5 different guys, and none have called to check in.
    That is putting my money where my mouth is.
     
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