Why did Federer stop using the drop shot in 2009/2010?

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  1. tennis_pro

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    It was a shot that led him to Madrid, FO, Wimbledon victories back in 2009. He kept using it in mid/late 2009 but with less and less frequency. Why do you think he switched back to his old game afterwards?
     
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    Probably because everybody is so fit these days, it's ineffective regardless what surface you're on.
     
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    He overused it, and he knew it. It wouldn't be as effective a play if he kept doing that. He still uses it now more than he did before 2009.
     
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    Federer loves drop shoting the lower ranked guys. He refrains from using it against Murray and Djokovic. Djokovic really thrashed Federer's drop shots in the AO 2011 SF. They even asked him in presser why he didn't use the drop shots in the match and Federer responded that the drop shot has to be extremely good otherwise Djokovic is all over it.
     
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    Good point. Federer did use it beautifully on Murray at Wimbledon. However, I haven't seen Federer use it that much against Murray and Djokovic on HCs. Murray completely blunted the vast majority of Federer's dropshots in their match a few weeks ago.
     
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    Silent ban on drop shot?
     
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    I don't think he used it any less in 2009/2010 than other times (except before he used it a lot). The thing with his drop shot seems more to be how well he's picking it as a show choice.

    When he played this year's Aussie Open he was doing it really well on the whole - and then against Murray he barely won a point when he tried it. It's not just that Murray is some super fast legend - rather that Federer was pressed to try something and was hitting them at inopportune moments more often than usual.
     
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    1. He was making mistakes with it, players like Djocovic, Murray and Nadal easily punished it

    2. Drop shots are only effective during long rallies, where it is so unexpected. But he tends to shorten his points nowadays.
     
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    If you saw what happened in the most recent match against Murray, the drop shot didn't work at all against Murray. He got there at the top of the bounce most times. These days it pretty much has to be perfect or it's adios senorita.
     
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  12. Bobby Jr

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    No way. They are just as effective early on in rallies especially if you've just had a couple of long ones or you're on-serve and you can force your opponent into reactionary mode from behind the baseline.

    Federer couldn't get Murray into this mode enough at the Aussie Open because he was hitting too poorly generally and serving too poorly - that's why he wasn't making the right decision time-wise with them.
     
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    Not only did the competition get fitter and faster, quicker reacting and better at hitting either deep DTL or short angle topspin CC's, but now they're actually practicing against the drop shot.
    And vid has shown tendencies, which everyone watches.
     
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    I can't speak to specifically the 09/10 time period, but in general Federer has to get comfortable in the match to use the drop shot. It was the good ole days when he dominated the Djoker and whipped him around with his variety. Now the matches can get so close that drop shots are too risky.
     
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    I remember one fatal drop shot miss against Nadal on clay I think (was it a set point?) around this time, maybe these things make an impression.
     
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  16. cork_screw

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    (eye roll)

    He didn't stop using the drop shot 2009/2010. It's more like he started using the drop shot circa 2011 to present.

    Do you know what confounders are? Look that up in the dictionary. A book printed as in Freakonomics utilizes this principle that is a result of absentmindedness.
     
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