Why did Serena lose Wimbledon 2013?

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Why did Serena lose Wimbledon 2013?

  1. She was gassed from the French Open

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  2. No doubles play with Venus

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  3. Attended WTA event the day before instead of prepping

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  4. Undisclosed injury or illness

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  5. She wanted it too much (like FO last year) and got tight

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  6. Martina spiked her Gatorade to protect her own record

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  7. Closet full of blonde wigs, no room for any more

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  8. Couldn't stand to see Sabine cry (forgot that it's inevitable)

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  9. Too fat/ugly/scary/isn't like the girls at my country club

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  10. 16 slams a fluke/weak era/typical WTA LOL

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  1. Vanhool

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    OK, I'm bored. I'm over the disappointment of Serena losing and the roller coaster ride of a slam without the top 3. Nothing happening in women's tennis now except 2 low tier red clay tournaments. :???: So why not stir up a troll's nest?

    I've included fan favorite excuses and a little bit of troll food for both sides. Note there is no option for Sabine outplaying Serena because this thread, like everything in the universe, revolves around the heavenly host, Serena.
     
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  2. Duncan Bell

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    I voted for the last one cos it's the funniest
     
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  3. Duncan Bell

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    In seriousness though, I think it was someone with the ability to beat her actually believing they could beat her. Simple as that.
     
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  4. iri10

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    Not so much gassed from the FO, as still heavily tilted toward a clay game. I don't think she had quite attained her grass legs; she was still playing in a more loopy, topspin-heavy fashion compared to, say, last year. The proof of this is in the winner's count, where she had 25 winners to Lisicki's 35. Past versions of Serena, even in losing, probably wouldn't have had a winners deficit like that . . . just more errors from failed attempts at dictating the points.

    This adjustment did wonders for Roland Garros, but it hurt a bit on grass. It's one of the reasons why I'm glad to see that the grass season is getting an extra week, and hope that it will one day get a 1000-level tournament too. (even if Serena et al. will be long retired by that point)
     
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  5. iri10

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    Oh, and just as important: Lisicki actually having the weapons for the job, as Duncan said. You don't need to be fully acclimated to grass if you can just blow your opponents off the court, as Serena did in the earlier rounds. Can't do that with Lisicki (unless she's having a 1st slam finals choke, sadly :( )
     
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  6. jones101

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    Sabine played big tennis in the 3rd, that's it really, everytime Serena has chances on her serve (inc 2nd) she his big unreturnables and aces. That's it really.

    I think Serena could have been more aggressive in the 3rd, I think she was waiting for Lisicki to implode, but it boils down to Sabine playing the big points better.
     
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  7. boredone3456

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    None of those options is appropriate.

    Its her norm now. She has had a LOT of really weird losses at majors in the last 2 years:

    Stosur at the US Open
    Makarova at the Aussie
    Razzano at the French
    Stephens at the Aussie
    Lisicki at Wimbledon

    I know she was injured at some of those events but not all of them. For all the big wins there have been just as many big losses that seem to indicate that she is clearly well past her prime. Obviously she is still a contender but she is just a lot older now and her body has been through many injuries. She spent some of her better years both dealing with personal issues and creating her own brand outside tennis and now she seems to want to play but her best years are behind her.

    I mean after 14 years on the tour winning majors what do you expect?
     
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  8. Federer-Slam-King

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    Exactly right, Serena often loses as big favourite. Don't be too surprised.
     
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  9. PrinceMoron

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    Because Lisicki was playing better, which you would know if you had seen her first matches live.
     
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  10. spinovic

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    I certainly think that's a big part of it. There are only a handful of players capable of pushing Serena (unless she is just really off her game). Lisicki, on grass, is one of them.

    I also think Serena has a tendency to get tight in big moments and sometimes battles her nerves (if her opponent is able to make the match close). She often finds her way through anyway, so I'm not calling her a choker, but if she has a major flaw, I think that is it.

    She gets tight and starts to play defensive and safe. And, that cost her against Lisicki. Lisicki played with nothing to lose, went for her shots, held her nerve and pulled the upset.
     
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    My take on the match was that Serena couldn't keep her focus throughout. She lost the first set with some subpar (for her) serving (55% 1st serve points won, 0 for 4 on break points won, broken 2 times), but really turned on the serving and return game in the second set (73% 1st serve points won, 3 for 6 on break points won, broken 0 times). In the second set her focus and aggression was what I'm more accustomed to seeing from her.

    In the third set she lost the plot again with opportunities to hold her serve slipping away and her return game going too passive (55% 1st serve points won, 2 for 3 break points won but broken 3 times). If she had even a normal serve day she would not have been broken 5 times total with three in the third set. It wasn't as if Sabine was blasting winners off of Serena's serves when they were hitting (see second set statistics), but Serena wasn't able to maintain her focus to pull it out.
     
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  12. Dedans Penthouse

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    - Too fat/ugly/scary - not like the girls at MY country club

    Douchy OP, very douchy.
     
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    I wish she would do an exhibition match with a top 200 male. Although prefer Nadal, only to see how she would try to handle that topspin to her backhand. :)
     
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    Fresh as a summer breeze. Or an autumn fizz. :)
     
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    This is why I picked "wanted it too much" (although I think "gassed," "no doubles with Venus," "attended event the day before" were all contributing factors, as was the fact that she has snatched too many blonde wigs already).

    When I look at your list of weird losses, both AOs she was injured. That leaves 3.

    USO vs Stosur was her first major final after her comeback, she wanted it really bad (and had the ghosts of her past USO problems). She choked a little and had a meltdown, but it should be noted that Stosur played really well and SW felt the pressure as the redemption she wanted so badly was slipping away. So combo of wanted it too much and outplayed.

    FO loss to Razzano has to be one the biggest wtf matches ever! But again she was looking to get the first slam of her comeback, and to fill a weak spot in her resume. She had been dominating the lead up clay events (but did withdraw from Rome semi with back injury). She may not have been physically 100%, but crying on the court? Serena? She was over invested in winning the FO and couldn't stay calm in the moment.

    W vs Lisicki. Lisicki obviously played the better match and I have always rooted for her at Wimbledon (though not against SW). Her service games were fearless and she was mixing up her shots. But Serena's serve was tight, substandard, a sign of nerves. She looked really off against Date-Krumm, too. I think she was chasing history: going after Chrissy and Martina's 18, a possible second Serena Slam, a very outside chance at tying Martina's 9 Ws someday (now impossible), and also defending points. So well played for Lisicki, she definitely earned it, but I don't think she would have been able to pull it off without Serena's nerves.
     
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  16. Down_the_line

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    Such a disappointing loss even though I was happy for Lisicki. It was looking like Serena was going to dominate tennis in 2013 and Wimbledon seemed like a shoe-in for her.

    I'm hoping she continues to make history and goes on another big winning streak during the coming summer hard court stretch.
     
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  17. Bud

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    Just a guess... but I'd say she was outplayed :)
     
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    It was a disappoint only after Sabine played a terrible final.....otherwise I was happy Sabine/Kvitova could win Wimbledon.
     
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    It was a disappoint regardless, considering her form leading up to Wimbledon and the fact Wimbledon of all tournaments is her best Slam.

    Wimbledon, to me, seemed like a for sure additional 7 wins to her win streak.
     
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  20. Soianka

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    She had like 5 losses in almost 2 years...so that means she's past her prime?

    get real dude

    She is playing the best tennis of her career.
     
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    These were not weird losses - each has an individual reason.
    Stosur won the US Open because she played great. Also, Serena was tired. She was coming back from a major medical condition and though one can feel fine, the body isn't completely recovered for up to a year. The only chance Serena had was because of the hinderance call when she got a shot of adrenaline and won a couple games. She couldn't keep up that level, though. I re-watched the Serena - Wozniaki semi from that US Open, and Serena was fading at the end. If Woz had managed to win the 2nd set, she would have won the match. Similar case for Makarova at the Aussie - just too soon after her medical problems for her to be 100%, even though she looked very fit.
    Anyone who expected Serena to do well at the 2012 French was not paying any attention to history. Her record on red clay since 2002 or so was pretty abysmal and there wasn't much reason to think she would beat Razzano or anyone else. (this year she focused on it and changed her game some)
    At the 2013 Aussie, she had a back problem that hampered her, so that isn't too surprising (the supposed ankle injury was a ruse to hide her real injury).
    Lisiki beat Serena at Wimbledon because she was the better player that day, and throughout the tournament. Plain and simple. Serena has been outplayed a lot of times, but the opponent usually folds up at the end of the match. Not this time.
     
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  23. insideguy

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    She felt the pressure. She is human like everyone. Sabine was playing well and Ms. Williams got nervous. Now if only the commentators can actually admit that Serena is human and can lose all will be well:)
     
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    Incorrect. Serena allowed herself to be distracted by an argument with the umpire. It is a sad fact that since she was blatantly cheated out of US Open 2004 against Capriati, Serena has allowed herself to lose her temper with USO umpires far too many times to her own undoing.

    Simply a lie. Serena had taken her foot off the pedal. If Wozniacki had somehow sneaked out the second set, she would have infuriated Serena sufficiently to swallow a bagel in the third.

    You're contradicting yourself. Which is it? She was not 100% or she was very fit? Fact : Serena was injured in that match.

    Serena reached three quarters one semi and was absent three times after 2002 to 2012 included. Far from abysmal considering that is her worst surface within the Henin era and was cheated in the 2003 SF.

    Another lie. She had a back problem besides rolling her ankle twice, once in singles and once in doubles. You are aware of those photos showing her foot swollen to the size of a basketball, right?

    Simply ridiculous. Lisicki beat Serena at Wimbledon because she gambled, went for her shots and made it whereas Serena didn't raise her stakes when she needed to. One had "nothing to lose" (and that is Lisicki's own words) and gambled, the other was burnt out from a long clay season culminating with her second RG win. Plain and simple. In fact, with all the breakpoints in the first set, Lisicki could have lost that fourth round match 6-2, 6-1. Lisicki was not the better player that day, it was 50/50 with a wild gamble, nor throughout the tournament as evidenced by how she panicked in the final and lost her head completely. It was far worse a choke job than Novotna in 1993 final and way more pathetic. Novotna showed up to play. Lisicki didn't even do that. She had choked before she even hit the first ball. This time it was the real Lisicki in the final, unfortunately. Not the one playing out of her mind because she doesn't have much of a brain in the first place.
     
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  25. furryballs

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    Serena went on a diet in her quest to win Wimbledon and lost few pounds from each bumcheek...the subsequent loss from her buttox was a bit like Samson having his hair cut.
     
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  26. Mick

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    if Serena beat everyone 6-1, 6-2 and went on to win the championship that would have been boring because it's too predictable. Sorta like if Nadal and Federer beat all the lower ranked players and faced each other.
     
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  27. NLBwell

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    You obviously don't understand how difficult it is to recover from a major medical condition that requires a lot of hospitalization. A person can lose weight and build muscle and appear to be in great shape, but the body is still not 100% for a long time and fatigue s a factor for up to a year.

    At the US Open vs. Stosur, Serena was getting soundly beaten, then when the argument occurred with the umpire, Serena started getting the upper hand, however, she couldn't keep up that level of play. The anger gave her some adrenaline to fight the fatigue, but as it dissipated, he play dropped back to where it was earlier in the match.

    If Serena's ankle was really the size of a basketball, don't you think it would have been noticeable on the court during the match or the next match? Serena always tapes her ankles, so when she caught it, it didn't even roll over. Serena had a back injury. Of course, a player does not want to display to opponents the type and severity of an injury. When I saw the picture of the ankle, I knew that she had an actual injury she was hiding. No player would actually post a true evaluation of a major injury her opponent could take advantage of. It finally turned out that the injury was her back. Not sure why it would matter to you why it was the ankle or the back, in any case it isn't a surprising loss.
     
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  28. Tanya

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    My question is....why on earth is Serena playing Bastad?? A clay tournament before the US Open Series?? Uhhh.... what did I miss.

    It seems that clay is where she is most comfortable now that she has adjusted her game....her performance at Wimbledon just further exemplifies this. She needs to go back to her classic fast-court game before she heads to New York....this new game isn't going to work for her on the fast surfaces.
     
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  29. Vanhool

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    I'm thinking she got a massive appearance fee! And points are similar to Stanford and waaaaay easier pickings, so why not?
     
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    She is gettting older.
     
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