Why do folks dislike Rafael Nadal?

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  1. War Safin!

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    And his style of playing?
    Seriously, I seem to notice a lot of negativity about the guy....?
     
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  2. Because for most of us, and even most tour players, tennis is a game of lifelong learning and advancement, struggle and acquiring experience through repetiton, tinkering with frames, strings, tensions, fine-tuning our strokes, adjusting to conditions, surfaces, and opponents, tweaking diet and and fighting injury, always trying to strengthen mentally. Nadal, with his outsize guns, indefatigibility, and unconventional strokes, flies in the face of all this. To have achieved what he's achieved at his age, and have the game that he has without seeming to have fought for it or struggled to develop, at an age when he still picks his ass, makes his winning ways seem a little unjust. We feel cheated and envious.
     
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    How can you say that he hasnt fought to get where he is? Are you his father? You dont know that he hasnt worked hard to get where he is. Does big guns mean you can play tennis? Your a little off ther bud.
     
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    A lot of people like nadal, he brings a whole new level of excitement to the game.A lot of the old farts dont like him becaouse they are still dreaming of a s+v type player, which rafa is not.

    I have heard many reasons, the pants, the fist pumps, him taking to much time.But the biggest reason is he has wrecked the dreams of all the frontrunner fed fans.

    They want to claim fed the best of all time but with nadal taking his f.O. away time after time+beating him in one final after another it ruins thier dream.You will hear a lot of reasons but believe me the biggest reasons are the ones i listed.
     
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    I wonder the same thing. I think he is one of the most exciting guys to watch on the tour...win or lose it doesn't matter. He fights for every ball as if it was championship point. He could be down 6-0 6-0 5-0 and he's still fighting. I just don't get it.
     
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    Stalling between points, butt-picking, and the times when he goes over the top with the grunting.

    It's nothing against him or his playing style. Like Sharapova and her stalling and shrieking, it just makes the matches less enjoyable to watch. I don't wish the guy any ill will.
     
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  7. dukemunson

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    terrible clothes and annoying personality...the kind of guy you love to cheer against (like the Williams sisters and Kobe Bryant)
     
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    I personally think he's a great player, I know other people who thinks he's too cocky I guess from all the fist pumps and stuff.
     
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    Nadal is strong, fast and tireless with some wonderful shots in his arsenal. Many people hate him because they don't really know that he is a shy nice person in reality and because he has brought a new type of play into the game which opposes the boring and ancient serve and volley that so many tennis fans like.

    Also he likes pinching his ass consistently, he makes strange faces when he serves and he poses his arms all the time but at least he is alive compared to some players who look like they are doing something they don't actually enjoy and they want to get over with it.
     
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    terrible clothes
    annoying personality
    consistent ass-picking (seriously, it needs to stop)

    that's about it.
     
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    everybody has different routines, thats just his personality, i personally think nadal is great and federer is boring, different personalities will also like different players. (i like his clothing style too)
     
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    I think Nadal's an awesome player. I used to not like his style of play but recently i've realized I really DO like the way he plays.
     
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    not his fault his got the talent, its ok for Fed to be flaweness man please. Rafa's game is much harder on the eye then most of the players so it would suggest he had to work twice as hard to get anything going. Having to prove himself so many times... people are people we all have players that we like and dislike some of it way to childish but that's what it is. Its not big deal because while they hate, rafa will keep getting paid for it while people stand still talking smack about it.
     
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    Nadal's strokes are ugly, his antics offputting, his bravado annoying, and his game is gimmicky. You don't get called a topspin monkey by having a varied and creative approach to tennis.
     
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    I just dont like or identify with his game/style of play. I get annoyed by the time he takes on serve and his constant fist pumps. That said, Anyone who reads transcripts of his interviews or sees them on tv can easily see that, even at his young age, he's beyond his years with maturity and has a genuine love of the game and respect for other players. I dont like his "style", but I do like nadal. He's a credit to our sport. And this comes from a fedfan, who wants to see Fed win everything. Theres no reason to outright hate or be jealous of nadal though, who is stand up and good for tennis in his own right.
     
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    most people wish they could generate topspin like him
     
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    Simple... because he PWNS..

    seriously i think most people who call him a monkey or just hate him overall are fed fans or racist people.. i bet that if the number 1 player was a mexican people would come up with so many names and reasons to hate him, but nadal doesnt care, hes going to be 21, has more money than you will ever have and hes still gonna get more.. hes got a lot of future and, he doesnt care about what we say lol
     
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    I think we can pretty much throw this reasoning out entirely. Why am I confident in saying this? Because the "most of us" that Gugafan refers to (IE, most who have a strong dislike for Nadal) also seem to have a strong positive opinion of Federer. Yet is there anyone who would say that they think Federer works harder than Nadal? To me, there isn't a single player who seems to have the game come more naturally to them than Roger Federer. By Gugafan's rationale, Federer should be more hated than Nadal.

    I happen to think that both Federer and Nadal have fantastic games. I also happen to think that BOTH Federer and Nadal have worked incredibly hard on said games, and are reaping justified rewards. No one can play at the level that these two play at without having "fought for it or struggled to develop". Nadal may not seem like it because he muscles the ball more than anyone, and because he's so young, and Federer may not seem like it because he's so graceful and fluid, but both of them have put in a lot of time to get there. How much? I'd say their entire lives. That's long enough for me.
     
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  20. Teh_pwnerer

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    ur the best fedfan out there..
     
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    How do you derive racism out of this? What a pathetic conclusion to come to. Can I just not like somebody's game and not be labeled a racist please? I don't like Chinese fingercuffs. Does that mean I hate Chinese people?

    I'm sure if Nadal read your post he would ask you to not be a fan of his anymore.
     
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    am i the only person who enjoys watching both Nadal and Federer? i think its great that theres so much drama and great beginning of a rivalry in which the French is at stake for Nadal and trying to get the others and Fed vice versa
     
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  23. Teh_pwnerer

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    the racist thing is about the "monkey" thing...
     
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    No, you aren't the only one. I always look forward to encounters between the two. To me, epic matches between the top players are the best part of being a viewer of tennis.
     
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    i just love these threads asking people to explain or justify something as irrational as 'liking' or 'not liking' someone. i mean, can you imagine gathering up all the people at our jobs or at school, and asking them, "why don't some of you like me? please elaborate." crazy!

    there are always people we like, those we dislike . . . sometimes the feeling is based on some logical thing, oftentimes it's not. you just go with it. i bet we don't even give it much thought most of the time. even when it concerns the guy who sits in the desk next to us five days a week or someone we interact with regularly. and yet, we are supposed to be able to understand why we dislike a tennis player, someone we don't even know, a COMPLETE STRANGER?

    ok then. i'm sure nadal's a nice guy and all (i will give him the benefit of the doubt as i do to most people i don't actually know). i just don't like his strokes. or his on-court habits. that's all. i've watched tennis since i was a kid and fallen in love with players (male or female) who either i wanted to play like . . . or were left-handed. although nadal is left-handed, i don't wish to pattern my game after his. therefore, he's out.

    somehow, i doubt he's losing any sleep over it.
     
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    With the ass-picking, fist-pumping, ass-picking, bicep flex posing, ass-picking, lolly-gaging during his service game, ass-picking and total unnecessary "grunting" aside, he seems like a nice, soft spoken and modest guy.

    Did I mention ass-picking? Seriously, it does seem a little rude to dig up in there, then fondle the tennis ball and serve it up to your opponent with the same hand.

    That also aside, he has some awesome shots in his arsenal and pulls off some amazing athletic feats and I'm glad he's in the game of tennis.
     
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    I think that the fixation of posters here on the "ass-picking" is more immature than the act itself.
     
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    I'm definitely not a fan of his playing style, clothing or stalling between points, but I totally respect him as an athlete and a fighter. He always seems to give 100%, seems very mature for his age and obviously loves tennis. And though I hope Roger wins the French and breaks the all-time Slam record, I love the fact that he is a riddle for Fed to solve.
     
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    I think the question is implying something that is not right. Nadal has lots of fans over the world, he is admired by many people, he is respected by tennis players and every young player needs to look up to him, he is a reference.
    He is humble and correct on and off the court, really mature for his age, and he never underestimates his opponents. Anyway you cannot expect a top player to don´t be disliked by some people but they are not the majority. Also, it doesn´t tell me too much if many people from this board dislike him. It´s more accurate to look at the tennis courts over the world : with the exception of the French Open crowd you can see he is admired and respected by most of the fans.
     
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    I don't think anyone really fixates on the aforementioned ass-picking -- I mean it's *really* hard to miss, as is the "grunting". (Who came up with the stupid idea of calling it grunting anyway? A grunt is an escape of breath, most tennis grunters are forcing that.)

    That being said, the keeling is more annoying to me than the wedgie-picking; I just can't believe how often he does it in front of an audience. I guess he feels comfortable, which is cool and good for him -- must be relaxed.
     
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    I only call it a fixation because I've seen it mentioned more times than I can count by numerous posters. It's always one of the first things anyone says when they say that they dislike Nadal. If someone asks, "Why do you dislike Nadal?" and the first thing that comes to mind is his habit of adjusting his underwear, jockstrap, or whatever it is, then I think that's something of a fixation. Sure, I notice that he does it, but I just don't think about it. It's not something I pay any attention to. And for that matter, I'm probably through talking about it. ;)
     
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    Ah, good, thought you might be getting fixated, yourself ;)
     
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    Well, I happen to think he's a pretty cool guy but I cannot stand his tennis. I could care less about what his record is against Federer. It's the way he gets his wins against Federer and anyone else on the court that I can't stand. Run down and return every ball until the other person makes a mistake. Not my kind of tennis. Now if someone like Safin (if he could ever get his head straight) would take it to Federer by hitting him off the court, and challenging his journey to tennis immortality, that would be great. That kind of tennis I like seeing and not having it come down to who makes the least amount of errors. Heck I even enjoyed watching Nalbandian take to Fed last FO. It's the very same reason I couldn't stand Michael Chang.
     
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    Ok, please show me on this list where monkey is a racial slur directed towards Spaniards.

    http://www.rsdb.org/search?q=porch+monkey&sort=slur

    By the way, I don't really think it's ok to call anyone a monkey except maybe George Bush.
     
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    it's not that i don't like nadal, it's that i totally dislike his worshippers.

    i think his fans make a REALLY big deal about him being currently unbeatable on clay. like that makes him a legitimately better player than federer or whoever else he loses against on other surfaces. some even state that he's the GOAT because of his record on clay. the media makes such a big deal out of this as well. every time nadal wins a match on clay it's in the news: "nadal's winning streak on clay has reached an amazing [insert number here] matches !!!". the current no 1 only makes it to the news if he wins a grand slam or loses a match. how pathetic is that?

    i myself didn't expect nadal to make it to the 2006 wimbledon final. he surprised me and gained a lot of my respect. he's too cocky for my liking, but he's alright.

    {btw, i'm not a fed fan. i like 2HBHers safin and nalbandian}
     
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    Monkey is racist when refering to black people, not Spanish. I call Bush a chimp all the time, it doesn't have anything to do with race.
     
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    Took the words right out of my mouth.
     
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    for all we know he may be his father.:confused:
     
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    I really like the offcourt nadal. he always seems so modest and respectful. I especially like his shy smile. but whenever he gets on court, another nadal shows up. this discrepance in personality has always puzzled me. anyone else feels the same way?
     
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    Simply beacuse he started beating a lot of peoples favourite players.
     
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    It's common among people who are professionals and need to look mentally strong and solid to have a different personality on the job than they have in real life and away from the cameras. The difference though is very striking indeed! :eek:
     
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    people hate roger and raffy because they are too good
     
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    Heavy Metal Tennis Star - where have your heavy metal star avatars gone??!! I used to be in awe of the big fuzzy hair, the makeup, the pretty boy looks. When someone like that speaks - you just have to believe what they are saying. Now you have a boring old fed and rafa pic.

    You know - I really used to look up to you.:-(
     
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    he's just a competitor and winner out there. I am the same way, I can be a nice off it, but don't expect me to be sweet on court.

    One of the reasons I like Nadal was because of his off-court personality as well.
     
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    First of all, I don't agree with the topic of this thread. Because I find that so many people throughout the world love him like anything that even his flaws go unrecognized. In fact he has many more fans than Federer or Sampras or Agassi ever had. Only a very few people like me dislike him.

    I dislike him because I cannot stand his extreme celebrations and fist pumps. Why not he kindly calm down and cut down his celebtrations? In the interviews, he projects like a very simple person but the way he celebrates on court is not simple at all. His oncourt personality and celebrations are the most pompous that I have seen. How hipocritical is what he speaks in the interviews? In fact, I wonder how do so many people admire his actions and celebrations. I am in a big minority.

    Secondly, my views may be different but I have a love for aesthetic and fluid game rather than power and intense. I enjoy watching elegance than intensity. I will be the most happy if the old serve and volley game makes a come back and more so if the wooden racket reapperas. Nadal plays his tennis like a battle. Also I personally feel Nadal's personality is very rude and unfriendly.

    Coming to Nadal's modesty, I don't see anything special in that. No body would needlessly disrespect anybody. It's not wise also because it would land them in trouble. By that angle, even Roddick, Davydenko, Gonzalez, Djokovic and Berdych are all very modest. I haven't seen them seriously disrespect anybody (may be they said something for joke). But considering that they are much calm, simple and humble even on the court while playing (They dont celebrate like Nadal after each and every point), I feel that the above list of people deserve much greater appreciation for their modesty than Nadal.

    I also feel that Nadal's fist pumps and celebrations are unfortunately not recieving as much dislike and condemnation as it deserves. I am sure that such intense fist pumps will definitely make any opponent feel uncomfortable and mentally affect his opponent. In fact, it is one of the unfair advantage that Nadal has over other players. It's like an abuse to his opponents. Yes, dont be angry on me for stating my sincere feelings, I feel Nadal is abusive and is a perfect sadist. He derives huge pleasure by hurting and abusing his opponents by these celebrations and fist pumps. But unfortunately many people encourage it. Where did Nadal's famous modesty disappear when he abused Berdych at Spanish open and even influenced the entire Spanish crowd to abuse him so that he (Nadal) can win the match by hook or crook. But when Berdych put his finger on his lips in revolt, he was condemned by the media as though it was a big crime. How worse can a double standard be? Where is the justice in this world? One standard for rich and one standard for the poor. How unfortunate is that? When rich man like Nadal does so many bad things, it is always ignored but when a poor guy like Berdych does even a minute protest, it is always magnified by the society. It is an evil world where dirty politics and money raises it's ugly head.

    I feel Nadal is the biggest benefactor in tennis world today because of people like those in this forum who worship whatever he does.

    So I feel the topic of this thread should be changed to "What do folks love Nadal and always show him special favoritism and affection?".
     
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    I enjoy his style, super-fighter-game, charisma... but the butt-picking brings his value down a lot!
     
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    There are a few things I agree with in this post, I also like elegant and fluid games, especially in Tennis and Basketball. For me though, sometimes there is a need for raw earthshattering power:D Fluidity is very fun to watch, but sometimes I would rather watch something very intense and powerful, his tennis game reminds me of march madness(greatest sporting event of all time). Really though favoritism and affection? Federer is the one constantly called the GOAT and whenever the best at anything is brought up, you can bet his name will be in there.

    In every sport there are the people that dislike celebrations. I understand you don't like an opponent celebrating, but these same people usually like when THEIR player celebrates. I can see people whining about sports like basketball and football where players excessively celebrate just to rub it in their opponents face. In tennis though this isn't near as much of a problem. Nadal's fist pumps just show the crowd how hard he is fighting, and how much he loves tennis.
     
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    It is the clay season you know? What else are they supposed to talk about? I don't hear anything about Nadal's clay streak during the grass or hardcourt season. Plus during clay season all the news is focused on Nadal because he WINS.

    Federer is in the news a lot. How about all those Tiger Woods he is now my best buddy mentions? Federer is in the news way more than Nadal once you factor in an entire season and rightfully so because when it comes to hardcourts and grass all Federer does is win. Winning will put you in the news. Federer losing is also big news since for the last 3 years he hardly ever loses.
     
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    I gave up watching tennis, which I loved ,years ago when it seemed to be one long what I call "thrash". The survival of the big boy who could serve the hardest hit the hardest with a predictable outcome. Then after watching Nadal play for the first time I detected a sort of humour had crept back into the game. Nadal was more like an Indiana Jones character - hanging on with all his might to get to the final set - and even today on court we cannot be sure he will win - but that is the essence of this great young player - he is never boring. The contrast of this incredible bull like character on court to the shy young kid who appears at his press conferences is fascinating - I hope we see much much more of this truly great colourful and talented player.
     
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    I do not understand you. How in Tennis alone, the opponent wont get hurt? Nadal's opponents will definitely feel very disturbed when he celebrates like that. No other player celebrates like that. And even if you are fighting hard and even if you love tennis very much, I think there is no need to celebrate like that. Do you mean to say that players other than Nadal are not fighting for their victories and do not love Tennis? For example, even Davydenko is a great fighter and works very hard to maintain his ranking though he is not physically built like Nadal.
     
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