Why do I frame the ball often?

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  1. Bubbagumptennis

    Bubbagumptennis New User

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    My racquet of choice - six one 95 16x18 (2012)

    Played against a 2 star recruit today. Score 6-2 6-1

    Found that any time I was forced on the run to my forehand I'd ALWAYS FRAME IT.

    Any kick serve return I'd ALWAYS FRAME IT.

    Any high forehand at all I'd ALWAYS FRAME IT.

    Is it because this racquet is too much for me to handle? Too small of a head?

    I admit it's probably all on me - technique, swing speed, etc etc.

    I'm 15, 5'10, 138 lbs

    5.0 level serve but 3.5 on groundies. So I guess my NTRP is around 4.0
     
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  2. luvforty

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    5.0 serve with 3.5 ground.

    avoid the ground.

    serve volley, chip charge.
     
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  3. rodrigoamaral

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    The #1 reason for mishitting all shots is footwork. Start doing speed and agility footwork drills and you'll see a huge difference:)
     
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  4. Bubbagumptennis

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    I'm at the point where I need to hit groundstrokes and improve because I can't make it to college solely on serve and volley!
     
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  5. Bubbagumptennis

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    and anyone whos seen my volleys.....ew
    I didn't even think about footwork! Oh my.... that's so obvious -_- shame on me lol
     
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  6. rodrigoamaral

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    YES! Tennis is not about hitting a ball, it's about your balance, footwork, timing, rhythm and mental.. improve all those and your NTRP rating will shoot up the ladder QUICK
     
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  7. Bubbagumptennis

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    I have a habit of automatically standing 5 feet back and slicing every chance I get! I always over run the ball too
     
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  8. rodrigoamaral

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    the further back you go behind the baseline, the bigger the court becomes for your oponent and you give up the angles as well. court also becomes smaller for you.. stand inside the court to maximize your potential!!
     
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  9. sureshs

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    Keep your eye on the ball
     
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  10. LeeD

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    Keep your eye on the ball AND play against your peers or worse.
    I seldom mishit against a 3.5, and can actually make some shots.
    Against a 5.0, I look lost, old, blind, and looking the wrong way.
     
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  11. luvforty

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    I have played someone like this - absolutely monster serve, but with a baseline game that doesn't worth a dime.

    and seems to me, that big swing mentality caused his wild swings at the baseline, which produced tons of errors.

    so OP, perhaps you are just over swinging.
     
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  12. jakeytennis

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    don't take your eyes of the ball.
    for me, watching the ball spin before i hit the ball helps me a ton.
    i hardly ever frame the ball.
    also, don't take your racket back too early. when the racket isn't in your peripheral vision, you cant coordinate the ball and your racket together that well.

    also, improve your footwork to get more balls in your strike zone
     
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  13. v-verb

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    Are you seeing the ball clearly? I say this because I was using some old glasses -framed almost every shot.

    The next match I had some new contacts, saw the ball cleanly to the strings and didn't frame one.

    So as other posters have said, keep your eye on the ball and make sure you can see it
     
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  14. sureshs

    sureshs Bionic Poster

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    He is 15 :)
     
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  15. 10s talk

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    BINGO !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    you are lifting your head up a fraction of a second early, and changing the trajectory of the swing
     
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  16. v-verb

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    You can have flaky vision at 15 as well - I've had glasses since 8 yrs of age. And I did see that he was 15 in the opening post.
     
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  17. OHBH

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    Now I used to be a major framer not too long ago, even against players I beat fairly easily I would still hit a few sideways.

    Problem was that I was trying to hit out in front too much. Meaning a lot of times at impact my racket was close to being in line with my forearm. Once I learned to lead with the racket handle and keep a loose arm and wrist my forehand dramatically improved. I was finally hitting that effortless, clean, heavy ball I had always wanted.
     
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  18. rkelley

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    Another vote for focusing on the ball all the way into the contact point. Visualize the contact point and have the picture in your mind of how your racquet is going to rip through that spot.

    I frame it when I swing too early. Even when someone is hitting big if you're split stepping and watching the ball off the racquet you can get to most balls with enough time to set-up. I tend to pull the trigger a bit too soon when I see the ball coming fast, even though I'm set-up (lack of talent showing through).

    This happens even more when my opponent is hitting big and varying the spin (so some balls kick up and others skid more). The pace steals time and the different bounces make for last minute adjustments.
     
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  19. TheCheese

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    Maybe he was hitting with more spin or pace than you're used to, causing you to mistime the ball.
     
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  20. Headshotterer

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    contact thew ball earlier then normal. i believe that hitting late causes you too loose control and site off the ball.
     
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  21. Vertiz

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    Quick feet, precise footwork, and staying low with your momentum through the ball should help you :). Also, make a conscious effort to watch the ball up to and past contact. Sometimes when people get uncomfortable balls (especially on the run out wide), they do some unique flashy whip type shot and take their eye off the ball. Stay low, through those, and keep watching that ball. Now go rematch that 2 star :).
     
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  22. Hi I'm Ray

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    Its probably because you are not focusing on staring down the ball to contact. When I frame a ball, I can never recall watching it to contact. Even with bad footwork you wouldn't be missing the ball that badly if you are focused on watching it.
     
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  23. TomT

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    I'll bet you're taking your eyes off the ball. (Which is easy to do with balls out of your comfort strike zone.) That's what causes my occasional bouts of framing. When I watch the ball, then I don't frame it. Simple as that. Has nothing to do with the racquet.

     
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  24. mikeler

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    What everyone else has said is applicable. One thing I did not see skimming through is a discussion of the follow through. Sometimes I'm just pulling off the ball instead of hitting through it more. I notice my follow through is above my head versus over my shoulder. When I have that over the head follow through, I frame it almost every time.
     
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  25. Bubbagumptennis

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    Thanks for the replies guys. I also find myself framing my serve often as well -_-
    Once again, does the 95 sq inch of the 16x18 (plays more like a 93) have anything to do with it?
     
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  26. LeeD

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    If you frame even serves, you're not concentrating and trying to watch the ball. Not saying you need to see the ball as you hit a serve or groundie. But you need to see it coming into your strikezone.
    Slow down. Get your wind. Concentrate.
     
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  27. mikeler

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    Most likely you are pulling your head down to watch that beautiful serve go in and then it turns out to not be so beautiful.
     
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  28. LeeD

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    I think I guy who can hit 5.0 level serves can hit it pretty well, when not pressured, when the scores aren't close, when the cutie isn't watching.
    Crunch time, something else.
     
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  29. UCSF2012

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    It's not the racket. Let that go already. If you're framing serves, it's the mental game you're battling, since the serve is ALL on you.

    First figure out whether you're framing shots on the top of the frame or the side. If it's the top, then you're having court positioning problems (you're standing too far away by 6 inches). If it's the sides, then you're mistiming the ball while scrambling.
     
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  30. slowfox

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    I think we need a video to assess this alleged framing of the ball.
     
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  31. Ryoma

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    A 5.0 asking advice on 3.0 forum again?
     
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  32. Rogael Naderer

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    Use small steps, don't set up TOO early, stay through the shot, don't back off the ball and keep your eyes pinned on the ball!

    Forget the racquet.

    I used to be a serial framer of returns and passing shots, I no longer freame often but when I do they are either over the fence or spot on the line!
     
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  33. McLovin

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    As others have already said, 'watch the ball all the way to contact'. But one thing to try is to keep your head down & eyes focused on the contact point after contact. No one does this better than Federer:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLJICtcehCo

    What I will do during practice & warmup is over correct, meaning I will watch the ball to the contact point, hit the ball, then force myself to 'keep my head down' while I count 'one-thousand-one'. If I see the ball clearing the net, then I know I pulled up too quickly.

    I started working on this last year, and my first thought was 'What the hell have I been looking at for the last 20 years? Because it certainly wasn't the ball.'
     
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  34. Rogael Naderer

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    Great tip!

    TBH the times when I force myself to do this my strokes are at least 10% cleaner!

    We can all improve this area on all of our strokes.
     
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  35. The Meat

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    Bad footwork, not keeping your head still, bad bounce(this excuse is only applicable on clay courts :) )
     
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  36. Mick3391

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    Simple, keep your EYES on the ball, and hussle to be in position. Watch the top pros, every shot they are looking at the ball contact the racquet.

    That racquet you have is awesome! It's a big head, more round than oval, it definitely is not your racquet.
     
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