Why do modern players hold back so much? Why can't they just come in?

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  1. tusharlovesrafa

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    After watching Nole-murray in US oPEN I realized what a monotonous and boring slug-fest could become.On the other hand you have Fedal matches,in which fed always tries to come in and make things interesting.Although more often than not he fails against nadal,but still it's great seeing him coming in.It seems modern players just hate coming to net,don't know why.May it's something to do with their up bringing.kids at junior level are taught to play safe and just keep on maneuvering your opponent from the baseline till you get an opening.And secondly I think slow court plays a big role in this..I am a die hearted Nadal fan but I have learnt to appreciate all around tennis which adds a much needed flavor to tennis..
    What could be done to stop them from holding back and coming in?:D

    A bore-fest!!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8ZjNJInsn8

    An interesting match:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSmDCHLJM70
     
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  3. tusharlovesrafa

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  4. TennisCJC

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    Poly strings with slower surfaces that bounce higher give baseline bashers more of an advantage. It is no coincidence that Federer does great indoors with the bounce is a bit lower and faster. Players said this year's WTF has slower courts and Federer lost but he has won like 5 or 6 times. After losing to Fed on a fast hard court last year, Murray said Federer would still be number 1 if the courts were faster like in the past.

    I think we have gone too far in favor of the baseliners and courts need to be made just a little bit quicker with a lower bounce to give attackers a fair chance.

    I agree that it is a lot more fun to watch contrasting styles.

    The only concern is if it gets too fast, it can turn into a serving competition.

    Sampras would not have won as much with strings and courts like they are today and Federer would have won more if the courts were faster.
     
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  5. Bartelby

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    The charge of the light brigade looked good but ended badly.
     
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    Considering how well Fed played in that 1st set against Nadal at 2012 AO, I'm just amazed he lost the match! A rare example of mental weakness from him which is certainly unusual for him in a Slam semi-final!
     
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  7. tacou

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    Fed, the best ever, usually fails, and you wonder why other players don't do it?

    This topic has been talked to death but basically you can't be a top 20 or even top 50 player by using S&V tactics except as a surprise move once and awhile or while you are in Tsonga 2008 AO god mode (and he lost)
     
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  8. sureshs

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    Just use yours
     
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    Perhaps Nadal still has a mental edge after all. Time doesn't heal all wounds, all those beatings have ruined his confidence VS Nadal.
     
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    They were never trained properly? No confidence with their transition game to the net? Some guys can play the net pretty solid
     
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    How did they get there? By playing consistent baseline tennis.
    What grips are they using? Nothing close to a volley grip.
    And they all can hit dipping hard passing shots with lots of spin, something hard to volley, and most can hit, with the same backswing, the topspin lob.
     
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    Because of the slow courts and because of strings, there is more on the ball.

    That's why Federer has trouble coming in against ****** with his heavy topspin. ****** forces others to play his boring game.
     
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    They prefer winning more points
     
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    Federer punched himself out against Nadal again. It happened in their 2009 Australian Open final, and in their 2006 Dubai and 2006 Rome finals. Nadal just keeps himself in the hunt with his consistency when other opponents would have been put away. Sometimes, if you play unbelievably well for a period, but don't finish the job, you will then have a letdown.
     
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    I could not agree more, which is why i do not follow the ATP tour anymore...
     
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    Because serve and volley is dead along with dinosaur.

    The match is boring because they are not as talented as Federer.

    Federer vs Federer would be awesome to watch.
    Nadal vs Nadal ...zzz
    Andy vs Andy ...zzz
    Nole vs Nole ...zzz

    I would consider watching WTA instead of those match up, or just turn off the tv.
     
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    Yeah comms have always said this about Delpo recently. Keep saying that he's in form, got the game, but never comes into the net to finish off points. If Delpo comes to the net more often then he can outpower the likes of Djoker and Murray.
     
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    This has nothing to do with lack of training, and everything to do with how the game is played nowadays. Depth, speed, spin and angles. It is much easier to hit a passing or to hit a damaging shot which not only neutralizes the player at net but puts him in a defensive position, forced to hit volleys off spinny dipping groundstrokes. Its the movement on the ball thats the real killer. Players 20 years ago didn't have to deal with this, the path of the ball was much more predictable and easier to volley off of. That's it, simple.
     
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    Have you thought that delpo doesn't have the net skills required to be effective other than to put away high slices?
     
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    Federer went on a big walkabout after that retarded foreworks display after which I believe he lost serve straight away and cost him the set. I was pretty disappointed with how he seemed affected by that. It was like a light went out for the next half an hour.
     
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    Lmao! That's for a different purpose.Did you forget about the task that you assigned me on my birthday? Work is completed on 600 of them,and Work in progress for 400..If you know what I mean.:)
     
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    I have forgotten. What was it?
     
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  23. tusharlovesrafa

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    Bummer!! your memory is fading with your age..Anyways,you asked me father at least 1000 times,ring any bells??
     
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  24. sureshs

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    Yes I remember now.

    What is Sentinel doing these days?
     
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    I don't know.It seems he is on a holiday with his family or something.I need to visit Delhi to know his whereabouts...:)..He must have informed someone in Odds and Ends section..
     
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  26. sureshs

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    Did the motorcycle accident have any effect on you?
     
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  27. Bartelby

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    Just watched some Edberg Cash AO 87 and wall to wall serve and volley with nary a groundstroke can be boring as well.
     
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    Nope,It didn't.I am still riding with the same speed as I was riding before.I just try not to over take big buses and trucks which is scary to be honest.I wear helmet which is unlike Indians down here.Majority don't wear them.:-?
     
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  29. NamRanger

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    Net play rarely works on any consistent basis except on extremely quick surfaces or when your opponent isn't prepared for you to come to the net. See Haas at Wimbledon when he made it to the SF as an example of what happens when opponents are unprepared for lots of net play.


    Most of the time players at net today end the point immediately by hitting a drop volley or a very short angled volley. Trying to hit deep is more often than not a death sentence against a top player. Haas in fact is probably the most all-court/all-around player right now outside of Federer, and still has trouble being competitive vs players in the top 100 at times despite the fact that he's currently ranked 21.
     
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  30. zam88

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    why are you on this website then?

    there has to be a better forum for the WTA, college tennis, or whatever else you might be into.
     
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