Why do people break more strings often?

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  1. Yonex.

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    Simple question. I rarely break strings. I have no clue why, but I do have a big forehand and use 1.25( going for 1.20 Poylybre Cobra soon). I sometimes have to break my ALu power.

    How come people break more strings than others? I'm starting to think I suck at my forehands because my strings wont break like other people.

    I get pretty annoyed now. I do play alot of tennis. I wanna know why I dont break strings often like others, I don't think this is the upside because I'm starting to think my forehands aren't big enough.

    How can i start breaking strings like once every week or so? ( I know this is a stupid questions, but I want to know how I could really break my strings naturally.)

    What also causes strings to break more than others? Like I bet blake breaks strings every 2 hours of play or something. Thank you all.
     
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  2. iplaybetter

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    i have the same issue i hit big with plenty of spin, but i just dont break string i dont get it either
     
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  3. xtremerunnerars

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    You have to consider the racquet you use, the string you're using, the kind of spin you hit with, etc.


    Heavy heavy topspin and the right racquet will combine for string breaking heaven (watch the TW video) but flat hitting won't do it. James hits relatively flat so he may not break strings that often.
     
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  4. iplaybetter

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    i use a 335 with a semi western forehand and a nice little 1hb so i generate a nice amount of spin, and i use polylon, micro hybrid and i have yet the break it, both 17g at 58, maybe its cause i use a hybrid i don't know
     
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  5. etea

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    the racket you use does have some play when it comes to breaking your strings. Usually i see it as the form. For example my forehand form for some reason breaks strings like every week. 3.5 player.
    p.s my forehand destroys.
     
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  6. OrangeOne

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    Any of the people wondering why you don't break strings: Sure, it's a combo of power / spin / frame and string, but in reality, don't complain!

    I'd have much more money if I didn't snap strings as often :)
     
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  7. iplaybetter

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    but breaking string is confidence building, and i have a stringer so its no big issue
     
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    If you racquets with dense string pattern and string it with poly, it's pretty hard to break 'em.
     
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  9. J011yroger

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    Hate to say it, but the answer is that you don't hit as hard, or with as much spin as you think you do.

    Fortunately hitting hard is about the least important thing in tennis.

    J
     
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    can also depend on the quality of your opponents, length of rallies, pace of serve etc etc.
     
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    i play with a mid size racquet that has an 18x20 stringbed. ever since i tweaked my serve for a bit more spin, i have become a string breaker. however now that the some opponents have gotten used to this serve, i vary the serve (spin, flat, kick, topspin) and placement. so now i'm not as much of a string breaker...til i play another that isn't used to returning the spin... ;)
     
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  12. OrangeOne

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    JR, I almost want to make that last line my signature.

    A random-story for all, unrelated to the thread sorry :)

    I filled in for a team in Division-1 comp the other night, with a 13 going on 14 year old junior. I was astounded, amazed, found it remarkable.... that he had no rally-ball. Only 110% forehands. He has a supposedly reputable coach (who I can no longer see as reputable based on this kid's hitting alone), he simply couldn't rally. Winner, Net or Fence were the three options, although in reality the percentages were about 10/45/45! I played the best tennis of my life to carry the kid to a 4-6 loss in our first set, and I can say with a clear head that if he had a basic, rally, cross-court FH, we'd have won comfortably.

    There's a lesson there young people: get the ball back in play, and don't worry about whether or not you break strings! Spend all of the string money you save on good coaching :)
     
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  13. tennispro11

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    Well said. As a coach I couldn't have said it better. Thank you. :)
     
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  14. vamosrafa15

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    me myself i break strings every 2 to 3 hours, i use the apd with cortex and kirschebaum super smach spikey 16g. i used to use lux but that broke way quicker and too expensive but i know a kids that r better than me that break strings about twice a week, so i dont know how to explain it lol
     
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  15. Yonex.

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    I use 2 FXP Instincts and have a pretty good forehand, almost like nalbandian but with more spin. Strings is 18x19. 1 handed backhand. And MEGA AMERICAN TW!ST. ;) I am going to string my Polyfibre Cobra at 62. The Gauge is 1.20.

    Uh, I don't know guys. Is there a key to breaking strings? You guys are kinda all over the place. More direct answer would be nice.

    Also could someone PLEASE go over the string pattern for me? Like tighter strings together does what, and what are the wide string patterns and such.
     
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    Could you explain to us how you hit? A reason why you break your strings more often? And be more spcefic?

    ALso mabye answer my last post?
     
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  17. Hidious

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    Some guy in another thread claimed that heavier extra duty balls were responsible for some string breakings.
     
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  18. OrangeOne

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    Ok, it's time to get scientific (about the elements affecting string breakage, the answer to your question above is that we're playing tennis, and the goal is to win points, not break strings!).

    - The string Make & model
    - Inherently, the string style (multi, poly, etc)
    - The string gauge
    - The string tension
    - The nature of the hybrid
    - The frame
    - The string pattern of the frame
    - The stringing pattern used when stringing the frame
    - The condition of the grommets
    - The technique of the stringer
    - The quality of the knots
    - Age of string
    - The balls used
    - Amount of wear and tear on the string (over time, notching etc)
    - The player
    - The power used
    - The amount of spin used
    - The surface played on (esp. clay)
    - The weather (heat / humidity / rain)
    - How the racquet is stored
    - Where the ball is hit (esp. on power-mis-hit-edge-breakages)

    ....that's got to be a good starting list. Anyone want to add to it?
     
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  19. Errol

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    Equipment:
    Stiffer racquets make the strings take more damage.
    Strings that move around a lot wear quicker.
    Open string patterns allow more string movement.
    Thinner strings snap quicker.

    Play:
    Hit hard with more spin.
     
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  20. Yonex.

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    could someone PLEASE go over the string pattern for me? Like tighter strings together does what, and what are the wide string patterns and such.
    Also the stiffness of racquets in numbers?
     
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  21. OrangeOne

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    The denser a string pattern (like 18*20), the less likely strings are to break. The looser they are (like, 16*18 ), the more likely they are to break - each main and cross bears more lead. The denser a pattern is, the less power and spin you will get, but you'll have more control. The opposite is obviously true as the pattern gets looser / more open - more spin and power, less control.

    Stiffness I'm no guru on, but lower is flexier and higher is stiffer, and you'll see a number like '63' or '70' listed for every frame on the main TW site. The stiffer it is, the more stress on the strings, the more likely the string is to break.

    By the way, and no offence, but your goal of breaking strings weekly is just plain silly. Enjoy your tennis and focus on results, not on string breakages.
     
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  22. Zets147

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    Yar, breaking strings is no fun. Especially when you're on a roll and then your strings break all of a sudden. Doo Doo

    Mine usually last about 8 hours on each stick.
     
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  23. Yonex.

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    I don't have a goal to break strings every week. But thank you for your post.
     
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  24. OrangeOne

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    err... OK :)
     
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  25. Chauvalito

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    Exactly...Me and one of my younger brothers both break poly frequently, me less nowadays since I have been using dense patterns.

    My youngest brother usually lasts twics as long as I do, but he is getting bigger and starting to hit the ball with more spin.

    Thats 3 of us...it gets a bit annoying as well, our club and therefore our nearest stringer is 30 minutes away
     
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  26. OrangeOne

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    Sounds like it's time for you to look into buying a stringer - that and a reel or two and you'd probably save a fortune!
     
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  27. Chauvalito

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    We have done half of what you have suggested. I recently got our first reel of cyberflash 17...this has brought the cost of stringing down to $12.68 per racket.

    Over the life of the reel we save around $150. if I remember correctly.

    I would honestly love to get a stringer, but I would have very little time to string while in grad school for both my brothers and myself.

    Eventually, when I am out of school I will get my own stringer. I'm a racket fiend and a walking catalog of string specs. so I know for sure I will have 5 or 6 reels and hundreds of sets of string laying around.
     
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  28. Yonex.

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    My bad, forgot what i posted. ;) But no, I am not planing on breaking strings every weak. I wanted to know How i CAN.
     
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  29. Sinner

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    just out of curiosity, for the poly breakers...

    how do polys break? since I'm assuming they don't fray like multis... do the crosses just wear a groove into the mains like syn. gut?
     
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  30. OrangeOne

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    Sometimes they notch and break normally, and they're also known for "shearing" or edge-breaking.

    I'm a big-swinging big-hitter, and I most often break poly's if I catch a miss-hit out near the end of the frame. Because they're inherently less flexible, they don't cope with the stress near the frame/grommet as much, and they just snap/shear. This can happen to relatively new strings even.
     
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    oh ok thanks... so its sometimes normal for polys to break near the grommets, meaning it might not necessarily be a grommet problem?
     
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    You said Doo Doo! :)
     
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    People really don't break strings as often as they claim, they just change the numbers a lot to make themselves sound better. It's just like how everyone on the forum claims to have a 100 mph or above first serve and a 80 mph second serve(which is about what Sampras hit) even though their rating isn't close to 5.0.
     
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    Its not much fun breaking strings....I break syn gut in 1-3 hours and poly/syn gut hybrids last me 1-2 days hitting...id love to cut the strings out and restring once a week..
     
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  36. J011yroger

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    After the 3 week period is up get a prestiege mid or Dunlop 200.

    That should put a dent in your string breaking :)

    J
     
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  38. Pusher

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    You can hit hard with heavy topspin and not be a string breaker. If your opponent also hits hard with heavy topspin then you can/will break strings. Changing the spin on a shot hit with heavy topspin puts a lot of pressure on strings and thats when breakage occurs.
     
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  39. jmverdugo

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    As somebody else said, you are not hitting as hard or with much topspin as you think. But do not worry if you keep playing you will eventually start breaking strings and then you will be looking for something that dont break.

    People do break poly strings and I know some people that have done it in less than two hours of heavy hitting, the normal break should be as the picture posted by jo11yroger, the crosses makes "grooves" on the mains until they pop, and they should break on the spot of your stringbed that you hit most. It is not normal for the polys to break near the grommets, this means you mishit.

    As somebody else said to, it will depend on your hitting partner, if you put together two heavy topspiners you will definitely will hear the sound of a string breaking.

    Also you may not be hitting in the same spot of your stringbed consistenly, but i think all this will come with time.

    I have a question off topic (if i may ask), if you dont break strings that often why did you start a thread looking for "hard like metal wire" strings?.
     
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  40. Anton

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    I got better and stopped breaking strings - not every shot must be heavy topspin ;)
     
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    Observe the people you know who break lots of strings. Observe them playing. There's much more to breaking strings than big forehands. Generally, the answer is in how they serve. Imo, people who serve with massive spin break more strings than people with huge spinny forehands and/or backhands. And, if someone combines all that, well, that's when kevlar comes in to play. Also, imo, if the serve is not the answer, you need to observe who these guys are hitting against. Imo, it takes two players to break strings. In other words, it's very difficult to break strings if the guy on the other side of the net hits like a girl, no matter how hard you try to hit. Hth.
     
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  42. Bad Dog

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    Ripper makes a good observation. This summer I have broken relatively new strings twice – in the sweetspot – simply by blocking multiple serves coming in at over 100 mph (160kph).
     
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    i hit fairly hard with decent spin from both wings, and rarely break strings. but i use a dense string pattern and durable strings, so i wouldn't expect to break them. if you want to break them get a racquet with an open pattern, and use thin gauges of strings that have poor durability!
     
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  45. Final_Match_Point

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    I use poly in an 18x20 and I string a bit lower than most people. I dont break strings often, And I usually cut them out because thier dead.

    Anyway how long do you let poly stay in before you cut it out?

    I love how alu power plays but im wondering if I should switch because I feel like I want to cut it out after 4 hours
     
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    i am also in this group of people, and this is what i have noticed and read,
    people who break strings often times will hit hard (possibly just like us and maybe alittle more), but they are using alot of topspin (1 main reason for poping strings), they tend to have fast topspin strokes, but also, the racquets they have, which are usually head small will give a small margin of error for offcenter hits (also another cause for string breaking), i be willing to bet that the people using 100"+ racquets DON'T break as often as the ones that use smaller head sizes racquets, due to the fact that the impact will spread better on a larger stringbeat then on a small one;
    the tennis-balls they use is often times newer then the ones i use, and you all know that a newer ball feels heavier then a flat ball,
    one other thing i have noticed about string breakers, is who they play with; their hitting partners are not sending moonballs after moonballs, they are provably hiiting lots of topspin, heavy flat balls and such to cause them to put a lot of impact strain on the strings;
    i hit with a pusher, he just bumps the ball back to me often and rarely generates power to give me trouble, he does use spin sometimes but not to the extent i do, the other day he poppet a string, he didn't do it, that string pop was mine :) , its my power and/or spin that broke his string.
    i know how it sounds to chronic string breakers, which wonder why we want to break strings, and here is my responce i have used before:
    its a little man complex of all people who don't do it often and play often to start wondering "why not me"
     
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  47. slicefox

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    you can use a knife to score the strings (cut them half through all the way around). That way you can increase your chances of breaking them without the need for extra stress.
     
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    lol i laughed out loud when i read this

    i cant tell if it is serious..
     
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  49. Yonex.

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    thats not natural.
     
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  50. Yonex.

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    I got 18x19 string pattern ( FXP instinct).
    I used to use ALU Power to 62, and had to cut it out after 1 month, I ussally have to cut it after about 6 hours, but I still used to play with it because of the cost.

    I got myself 1.20 Poylyfibre cobra, and 1.25 Blue Gear. Gonna try Big Ace later on. :grin:
     
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