Why do people consider Division 3 Tennis a waste of time?

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  1. willyd24

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    I'm amazed at the amount of online threads and articles I've found expressing that playing tennis at the Division 3 level is a waste of time. I understand that they can't offer scholarships but if you enjoy the sport and want to continue playing at the next level then why not play for a Division 3 school? I didn't really get serious about tennis till I started high school and by the time I was a senior I was able to become a 1* recruit on TRN. I knew that I wouldn't be able to play at a D1 or D2 school but I wanted to continue to play, so I went to a D3 school where I could play. It's really a shame that kids need to receive money in order for them to play at the collegiate level. People should want to play the game because it's fun and they enjoy it.
     
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    don't sweat it. it's the same type of people who get visibly upset because a certain pro (who they've never met in person) is not winning enough tennis matches. if you really want to play tennis at a high level, just practice the best way you can, and hit the ball. nothing more to it.
     
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    Hmm.. maybe people say that according to the conference? There are good, average, mediocre, and bad tennis programs in all of the levels of college tennis.
     
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    If you want to focus on why you are in college, and are a decent (or even half-decent) player, Division 3 is a good way to go. It is a good experience, if the coach knows the game (some don't). Studies do take first place over tennis, which is as it should be. I officiate all levels of college tennis, but I enjoy the D-3 matches the most. At the D-3 level, the priorities are in the proper place.
     
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    Very surprising statement from an official.

    I think that depends on location though. The northeast has a lot of great schools.
     
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    because D3 guys never turn pro
     
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    So if you don't turn pro college tennis is a waste?
     
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    He's not saying that's what he thinks, he's saying that's why people say this.
     
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    Eric Butorac says you are full of it.
     
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    I didn't know people thought that haha. I played d3 tennis and it was a blast. It was a fun team element added to a great sport, plus it was a good way to meet people, stay in shape, and keep me focused on school not partying etc. Though the parties were fun too.. :)
     
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    Could not agree more, and a fellow north easterner too!
     
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    D 3 tennis is a great experience at many schools. Get to do some free traveling make friends on a team and get lots of free swag.

    Plus you get to hit balls every day and stay in great shape.

    Good stuff I say.
     
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    helped me get into the tennis teaching profession. Actually it is what got me into the tennis teaching profession. My coach was awesome, taught me a ton, and showed me that Tennis was a feasible career path. Never would have even considered it if I hadn't played for him at my school.

    So D3 guys turn pro.. teaching pro haha

    I teach at a school currently, but I'm looking for a tennis job full time. Interview Saturday, wish me luck gang!
     
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    D 3 conference my daughter played in just added ITA official this season finally. Pretty much eliminated squeezing and bad behavior in general.

    Thanks for what you do.
     
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    Amen, what else do you need? A full ride? So if you can't get that tennis is done for you? that's a bit harsh.

    The traveling was pretty fun though tedious at times, but I still haven't bought a tennis shirt in years, I have so many from the school I played at over those four years lol. bags, racquets.. pretty sweet as an 18 year old kid getting a bunch of free tennis stuff.

    Plus, I would have paid top dollar to get the kind of instruction from my coach that I did in school. People's reason for playing is getting so convoluted these days. Isn't representing your school in the sport you love enough?
     
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    I played d3 college soccer, not a waste of time. I met people and got to keep playing a sport that I loved.
     
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    There's really only a small percentage of folks out there with this kind of bad attitude. But sometimes their negativity appears more widespread than it really is. Brush them off. I could go on and on about this type of person. I'll sum it up. They have low self-esteem and bash others to make themselves feel better.
     
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    Free swag?

    Fail.
     
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    You got free racquets at a D3 school? I'm assuming this was a top 10 ranked D3 school then.
     
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    No, I got free bags jackets and clothing etc. The racquets came from our coach who was a prince rep. Lucky I guess. Couldn't get anything I wanted but basically anything from Prince and before that HEAD (he switched while I was at school). I had 3 of the Head MG Instincts, and later I had 3 of the Prince o3 whites when he switched both were for free. I was happy when he switched because the o3 whites were awesome racquets!


    The player packages offered by basically every major racquet mfg is a steal too. Like 400 dollars for 3 sticks string a bag a shirt sometimes a hat..
     
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    That is exactly why anybody goes to any college for tennis, get an education, learn heaps from your tennis coach and improve your playing level.
    The rest is just relative. good luck with your job interview.
    Give the knowledge further and develop some talented players:)
     
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  23. Bdarb

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    I sincerely hope I can. I absolutely love being able to help people with their game. No better feeling than having a student come back and tell you something you said changed their game around for the better.

    Thanks :)
     
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    Good luck this Saturday Bdarb! I'm glad to see that there are a ton of people that agree with me. If you enjoy playing the game and you want to continue to play then explore D3!
     
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    From what I see, D3 can let you have a complete college experience; academic, social, competitive, etc. D1 can be extremely demanding and easily turn one into a tennis drone. It's up to the individual but having choices is a good thing.
     
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    The big picture is that, if you are lucky, you find yourself on a team with a good coach and teammates. Beyond that, the competitive experience really isn't different.

    You don't have anyone in the middle of a tight conference match thinking "it's too bad I'm only playing DIII tennis".
     
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    Lol, no I suppose you don't. Though you do find yourself once you're out of college and paying loans thinking, hmm scholarship wouldn't have killed me haha.
     
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    By the time a player is offered a scholarship at a major D-1 school, in most cases that player's parents have already spent almost the equivalent amount of money getting their child to that level.

    Certainly true for male collegiate players, where partial scholarships are the rule, even at major programs.
     
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  29. sundaypunch

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    Yes, that is a possibility. Of course, that can also be said of the many DI and DII non-scholarship athletes.

    The handful of kids I know that played DIII tennis had very strong academic scholarships that brought their cost down to about the equivalent of a state school. If you weren't a good student, a DIII is probably not a realistic choice unless you come from money.


    True. Also, I have seen families that have made that huge investment only to have the kid end up at a mediocre college to get some kind of scholarship.
     
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  30. Bdarb

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    Certainly some skewed priorities out there.
     
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    Quite a few state schools are d 3 in the northeast. Can keep the cost down and still get an ok degree and play d 3 sports....
     
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    And many of the d3's in the NE are stronger than NE d1's. :)
     
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    Maybe but I can't honestly say I have seen that. D 1 teams are just deeper. Most good d 3 teams have a very strong no 1 and often no 2 player in their ladder. The 1 and occasionally 2 flight matches can produce some very high level play. I have seen multiple d 3 females at the 1 and sometimes 2 flight that clearly have middle to top of the ladder d 1 games. I am sure the reasons they end up at a d 3 program are as varied as they are complicated at times.

    Nearly every team I have seen male or female has a strong no 1 flight player.

    Final match of the season for my daughter the other day and I was chatting briefly with the other teams coach. I complimented him on having / recruiting very strong 1 and 2 players, something he has not had in the past. He thanked me for my comment and then said despite all his best efforts the biggest problem is finding and retaining quality players.

    I guess the recurring moral of the story is all HS players with a decent game should understand that they can probably be a good fit on a d 3 team. It is an experience that is within reach and should be considered.
     
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  34. Bdarb

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    So I'm getting my ptr cert this week. Talked to some very nice folks down in Hilton head hq. they were very accommodating, told them I'm a broke school teacher fresh out of school (all true especially te broke part) and they helped me make it work. Seems like an organization trying to help the sport. Anyone needing a cert, would Reccomend giving them a try.

    Anyone in here uspta/ptr?
     
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    You mean, never get PhD?
     
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    Bdarb--I certified with USPTA in the early '90s, and it helped me with coaching high-school tennis, and working part-time at a club.

    Later, I let the membership lapse, as I wasn't teaching as much anymore. However, if one is considering a career in the field, I would recommend it. It can help make useful contacts.

    As I see that you are a "broke school teacher," I would suggest that you keep looking for a teaching job, and consider tennis as a secondary career. I was a high-school teacher for 34 years, and my retirement equals what I was earning at the end of my teaching days (it does vary from state to state and school to school).

    You couldn't equal that kind of retirement in tennis. Moreover, as you get into your 50s, it will be difficult to spend all day on the court anymore. I couldn't, and didn't.

    Plus, by being a part-time pro, I could enjoy what I was doing. The extra money was welcome, but I didn't have to teach tennis to survive.

    Best wishes in whatever direction you choose.
     
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    Thanks for the input!

    I am currently an employed broke teacher. Thing is I am in special Ed and frankly, I will burn out in this 100x faster mentally than in tennis physically haha. My degree is actually in recreation resource management incidentally, so I feel like if I get my pro cert (which it looks like I did, ill have results in a few weeks) I could pay my dues with some serious court time for some years than maybe use my degree to transition to something more administratively oriented but still in the tennis field. Whether that be running a club or organizing youth programs, maybe work for a tennis equipment company.. No idea.

    Getting the cert though, I can see how ill jut make more connections and have a more full cv. I teach part time now after school and weekends so basically I'm trying to move that to full time and get the teaching experience while my body is somewhat agreeable to the abuse haha.
     
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    OK--you have a plan, and that's good!

    I understand your comment about Special Ed. That is a subject area where teachers burn out fast.

    I was in foreign language, so I pretty much taught students who were headed for college, including many of the players on my HS tennis teams.

    I would not have had the patience for Special Ed. So, I understand your situation.

    It is easier to put in more court-hours at your age. At 60 YO now, I have a self-imposed, three-hour limit for being on court. And, no more than three days a week--often less.

    But then, I'm just in it for fun, and money to pay for my healthcare.
     
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    ^ makes sense. I need to get the on court time now while I have the ability to physically and I'm not tied down to a house or a wife. Basically if I got a call from a pro in decent area with decent pay I'd pack my bags and go for it. I don't foresee having that ability too much longer as life happens and all of that.

    That being said, working in a school is awesome. And I would totally teach middle school science or history if tennis doesn't pan out. The schedule and benefits are incredible and I love coaching kids. But if I could coach full time I think I'd like that more :).
     
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    Lucky enough to have a couple D3 players on our 3.5 & 4.0 teams BITD.
     
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  41. aced_Tezuka

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    So I do have a chance?! Woo
     
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    it depends. i have hit with D3 players and was almost better than them. also some D3 that crushed me. the tag D3 doesnt mean much without context. they may have gone there for the city, gf, bf, major, or scholarship.
     
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    This very much. There are some d3 schools that are an absolute joke.
     
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    If you go to school for the school, and do not aspire to be a professional athlete, D-III league is a great place to compete at a relatively high level, make life-long friends, learn teamwork, etc., and doing all these things without having to devote 100% of your life on a game.

    Now if you expect to be the next tennis star and are playing D-III, then it's a waste of time.
     
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    Do what ya like, I say.

    I went to D-I school out of HS, wasn't recruited but went
    and tried out (i had no real plans to play when applying to college). I felt like I would make the team but I wouldn't
    see any playing time so i quit and started playing Ultimate (Frisbee). Won a national championship a few years later.

    Decisions, decisions.

    Nothing wrong with D-III tennis if you want to play.
     
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    FWIW, the pro that was linked to did play at one of the better d3 schools (Gustavus Adolphus)-- they've won the MIAC about 25 years in a row.
     
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    This applies to pretty much all D-III sports. My youngest daughter had high school teammates that played D-I lacrosse and said they weren't sure they'd recommend it due to the time demands. My daughter played both field hockey and lax at a very demanding D-III school and the coaches always knew that school came first. She, and others that I talked to, said that sports helped keep them sane.
     
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    Last year when I coached D3, we played a team that had 4 former D1 players on it. Two had just transferred from D1 and played 1st and 4th singles. Of the 4 singles courts and 2 doubles courts, we won 5 courts and we weren't even at full strength. In the northeast for sure there are some really weak D1 and really strong D3 programs. My program was just on the cusp of a regional ranking last year.
     
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    Thats because there are alot of good old schools in New England. Instead of your big schools like UMaine or UNH the good schools to go to scholastically are like Bates, or Bowdoin. Not saying they are better schools, but a lot of the smaller private liberal arts schools just don't compete d1 but they have the scholastic resources to draw in kids without scholarships. Though some of them can give financial packages anyway under different pretenses.

    When I went to school they gave me a 'leadership scholarship' which was essentially a generic scholarship they could give to candidates they really wanted to go to their school. That plus academic scholarships and financila aid, work study etc. Work study was a sweet one. They were like, there are tons of jobs, but we'll guarantee you can have a front desk job in the athletic dept. where you get paid to essentially work on your studies. I even got a few hours of work study for being an assistant in the 'intro to tennis class' they offered which just consisted of me demoing the beginner drills. You really can get a pretty sweet deal if they want you there. Plus, you leave with a degree from a good school not just a big one.
     
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    What team was that and where did those guys play in D1? I saw Drew University lost 9-0 to Christopher Newport last year. Four of those matches were 6-0, 6-0 or not close. Christopher Newport would not make more than a couple games in an entire dual match against William & Mary or another local D1 team...and WM is not even in the top 75. With all due respect, the level gap is just too big man. I have always said there are some very solid 4/5 star kids playing in D3, but in a team dual match against any decent caliber D1 team, it just ain't happening.
     
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