Why do people say Federer needs a bigger racquet whenever he loses...........

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  1. Praetorian

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    And if he does, and doesn't win, what will YOU do for Federer. I'm sure if you make an enticing enough offer, he'll take you up. You know, something along the lines of you'll pay him the difference in prize money if he doesn't win the GS. Not trying to be a Dick, but it's easy to take that "I know what's best stance" when it's not your career or money on the line.
     
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  2. lendlmac

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    all we agree is, Federer, can't cry and complain when he loses to the top guns and younger players, , when he knows they are all faster, healthier, stronger, using bigger equipemtn, larger racquets, etc...and he still "thinks and believes" he will win another salm using the 90 frame..

    it's been 3 years now? 365 days a year x 3? LOL nver mind the little tournaments...his endorsement deals pay more that prize money....if hes playing for fun, done...enough said...but he wants to win another slam, and he wont with the 90 frame anymore...4 years ago, 3 years go, yes...not anymore....he's older and weaker, not younger or stronger or faster...

    not arguing with you...just a fan's observation...play for fun and enjoy losing, "good match" you're playing for your fans, etc.... but if you're playing to WIN WIN WIN, and you lose, lose lose aginst the BIG BOYS, you wonce OWNED 5 years ago...then something has gotta change...
     
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  3. Bobby Jr

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    I think you'll find he used the 90sq frame at Queens and Wimbledon in 1990 and otherwise continued to use his normal frame.
     
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  4. OTMPut

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    in other words equipment is one of the several factors?

    in any case, the only guy who consistenty beats fed with a bigger more powerful racquet is Nadal. djoker's frame is not by any means easier to wield or more powerful than Fed's.
     
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  5. Praetorian

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    This ^^^^ LOL
     
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  6. tennytive

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    Best answer by far.
     
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  7. Praetorian

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    Maybe he can, maybe he can't - but only he can answer that, not anyone on this board. If Federer isn't confident that he'd be able to execute the type of shots he wants to execute, with a bigger/smaller/etc, racket, then he's not going to execute it, and that's not his game. Confidence in your racket, is soo much more important that type, size, power, control, etc.
     
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  8. purge

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    because it would be rather silly to say it whenever he wins :?
     
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  9. Drrjjj

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    There is nothing wrong with his racquet head size because he has used the same size for most of his career and look how it helped him!
     
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  10. BreakPoint

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    So where are all the - "Murray needs to switch to a SMALLER racquet" threads? ;-)
     
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  11. gplracer

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    The two guys with the most GS titles used rackets that were 85 and 90 sq in. They both did it at a time when most other pro players had larger rackets. Hmm......
     
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    roger's slump isnt his equipment... its confidence, when someone beats you in majors consistently you lose focus and start trying to change your game...
    wimbledon semi should be a confidence booster for federer vs novak - although would be more defining if it wasnt 'indoor'/roof closed
     
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  13. bluegrasser

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    hmm, last I heard he just won Wimbledom -small tournament ?
     
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  14. lendlmac

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    I think tonights performance was evidence of needing alarger raquet...
     
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  15. Seth

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    Why did you resurrect three threads to say the same thing?
     
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  16. scotus

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    I don't remember many people saying Pete should change to a bigger racquet. The idea came mostly from himself post retirement upon reflecting on his lack of Roland Garros title.

    The reason Roger gets so much of this switch-to-a-larger-racquet crap is that he shanks. I have never seen a top player shank so many shots. It's a wonder how one can keep his head so steady and eyes so long on the ball and still shank so much.
     
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  17. BreakPoint

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    Yet, when Federer beat Berdych a few months ago at Madrid, it wasn't?

    And I guess Young, Phau, and Verdasco all need bigger racquets since they all lost to Federer with his "tiny" racquet at this US Open?

    BTW, if Roddick had used a bigger racquet today, I'm positive he would have beaten Del Potro. :)
     
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  18. BreakPoint

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    Because nobody else hits the ball just as early off the bounce AND has the same high racquet head speed AND rolls over the ball at the point of contact as Federer does. Combine those 3 things and you're going to shank regardless of the size of your racquet.
     
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    Oh, and I forgot to mention that Almagro, Querrey, Zopp, and Goffin ALL need to switch to bigger racquets as well since they all got crushed by Berdych at this US Open. :)
     
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  20. scotus

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    All you are saying is he is attempting shots he is not good enough to hit cleanly.
     
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  21. BreakPoint

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    But still good enough to win 17 Slams with and become the GOAT. :)

    BTW, other pros who use bigger racquets don't even attempt to do what Federer does because they know they couldn't do it.
     
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  22. scotus

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    No, I believe he is good enough hit those shots clean if he uses a larger racquet with the same swing weight.
     
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  23. BreakPoint

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    Then why is it that no other pro using bigger racquets are good enough to hit those shots?

    BTW, a 90 and a 95 do not swing the same even if they have the same swingweight due to aerodynamics and the fact that physically larger things are more obstructive than physically smaller things. I think a larger racquet would slow down his racquet head speed and also make it more difficult for him to roll over the ball on contact that he does. A larger hoop may also hit the ground first because he hits the ball so early off of the bounce.
     
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  24. scotus

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    Get him the larger stick that he can swing at the same speed.

    Problem solved.
     
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  25. BreakPoint

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    Then that racquet would be too light and thus less stable. And like I said, you can't get a larger hoop as close to the ground as you can a smaller hoop.

    BTW, pros like Connors and Lendl used racquets that were around 70 sq. in. and I don't recall them ever shanking any balls. It's Federer style of play that causes him to shank balls, not the size of his racquet. Besides, what's wrong with shanking balls when you've won much more than anyone who shanks less? I think that's a trade-off that Federer or anyone else would gladly make. :)
     
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  26. scotus

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    Fed doesn't shank on low balls only. He mishits high ones as well.

    No need to compare him to the other past greats who were obviously not known as shankers.

    Certainly 17 grand slams is a GOAT achievement. But we would never know if he couldn't have won even more with a larger racquet, especially against the one player who causes him to mishit most often.

    Chances are, Fed will be known as the GOAT who usually came up short against his greatest rival.
     
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  27. Bartelby

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    Fed's forehand technique is a technically risky shot compared to most so its no wonder he can make wild errors.
     
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  28. connico

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    He doesn't roll over the ball, he pronates.
     
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  30. ramos77

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    there is bugger all difference in head size when you compare a 90 to a 95 for example...
     
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    I guess we can all agree then. Notice this was exactly how djoker lost the FO ast yearvwith 4 days off and Federer looked fresh, federer had 5 days off and looked flat.
     
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  32. BreakPoint

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    Maybe, but that has nothing to do with the size of his racquet. Nadal beats EVERY right-hander with a one-handed backhand regardless of the size of the racquet they're using. In fact, I haven't checked but I believe Federer has more wins against Nadal than any other right-handed 1HBH player.
     
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  33. BreakPoint

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    Yes, I'd say the lack of match play (especially the lack of competitive matches) probably had more to do with Federer's loss last night than the size of his racquet. He's beaten Berdych many times before and he did look a bit off of his game last night. Berdych also played great.
     
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  34. scotus

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    Every shank is pretty much a point lost. Reduce that, he might have a better chance.

    Yes, a larger-head racquet will help him reduce the shanks.
     
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  35. BreakPoint

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    If that were true I'm sure Federer would have switched to a larger-head racquet already.

    It may help you reduce your shanks but it wouldn't help Federer reduce his shanks because no one else on the planet hits the ball the way that he does. Besides, most of his shanks are off of the side of the frame and a larger head racquet has more side to the frame to shank. :)

    Heck, even I shank just as many balls with a larger racquet as with a smaller racquet and I don't take the ball nearly as early nor do I swing nearly as fast nor do I roll over the ball on contact like Federer does. I'm sure this is even more true with Federer.
     
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  36. scotus

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    Do not compare yourself to Federer. Where you fail, Fed will succeed with the right equipment.

    The only reason Fed is not changing equipment is that he is used to his current setup and doesn't want to change the feel, just as it was with Sampras.

    Now, I'm not saying that a larger racquet would necessarily bring him more titles, and of course, Fed being the GOAT, should probably stick to whatever equipment he feels most comfortable with, but I do believe that the larger racquet would result in fewer shanks.
     
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  37. BreakPoint

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    But isn't that what you're doing? You think Federer would shank less with a larger racquet because YOU shank less with a larger racquet, right? I mean if you shanked MORE with a larger racquet, I highly doubt you would be suggesting that Federer switch to a larger racquet to reduce his shanks.

    BTW, I didn't compare myself with Federer. I said Federer does everything way better than I do. So if a larger racquet can't even help me at my low level, how can it help Federer who does everything way better than I do? If anything, a larger racquet should help me much more than it helps Federer, right?

    Also, Sampras used an even smaller 85 sq. in. racquet and I don't recall him ever shanking. Why? Is it because of the way Sampras hits the ball? If you agree, then you must also agree that it had nothing to do with the size of Sampras's racquet. Thus, it follows that you must agree that Federer shanks because of the way he hits the ball and not because of the size of his racquet. The rationale is the same. It's all technique, not racquet size that causes shanking or no shanking.
     
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  38. realplayer

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    Maybe the luxilon strings have caused him to shank more. When he beat Sampras in 2001 poly was not a factor but now the game has changed to heavy topspin. I can imagine that he would benefit from a bigger headsize.
     
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  39. scotus

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    No, I did not compare myself to Federer at all.

    It is really just a simple concept. Fed, whatever technique is involved, is trying to hit the ball off the string. The larger racquet face provides more hitting surface, i.e., a larger margin for error, for that.

    As long as he is aiming to hit the ball off the string rather than off the frame, the larger hitting area will help that.
     
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  40. tistrapukcipeht

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    Fed does need a bigger racquet, maybe a 95-98 sq in, that would not be a problem for him, just a help.

    Not because he lost to Berdych shanking every other ball, that was a bad day he had, had He gone through, He would probably win US Open, but it is easier to play with bigger racquets, more forgiveness for balls hit not perfectly in the sweet spot.

    It's his choice, he can do whatever he wants.
     
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  41. BreakPoint

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    But if that was really true, how did Sampras with his 85 sq. in. racquet beat Agassi with his 107 sq. in. racquet in every single U.S. Open and Wimbledon match they ever played (which was a lot of them)?
     
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  42. tistrapukcipeht

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    Completely different eras, no one is able to serve and volley nowadays and get to semis of Master Series, let alone win a slam. If Agassi played in this era for the past 7 years, He would not win a single slam, any top 10 now is better than Agassi ever was, you may disagree.

    The conditions were a lot faster as well, shorter points, there is almost no way Sampras would ever rally 10 shots with a 85sq in these conditions they play nowadays, it has been changed to have more rallies unfortunately.

    As for the racquet, Sampras last used that racquet more than a decade ago, since his retirement he has not used it anymore, rather a 98 as some people have seen and proven.

    If a 85sq is that good and has more advantages why nobody uses it? Why doesn't Federer go back to it?? No performance at the highest level, rather a disadvantage.
     
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  43. West Coast Ace

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    Do you play tennis? I'm doubting it. A shank is WAY off center - some are off the frame. A move from 90 to 95 (or even 98) - Fed's shanks are still either shanks or such weak returns that his opponent would crush the next shot for a winner.

    864-194 - Fed is doing fine. He had a bad night and Berdych had a good one.
     
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    I guess it is safe to say, roger needs to upgrade and fast! All these shanks! Its not his age folks he is the no. 1 player in the world and is getting blown away more so now than ever.
     
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  45. BreakPoint

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    If shanking makes me the greatest player who ever lived and the #1 ranked player for 300 weeks, PLEASE let me shank EVERY SINGLE ball. :)
     
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    Now we can all agree!

    I guess we can all agree then. Federer at his age, will not surpass the greatness of Ivan Lendl..... Lendl dominated men's tennis and to this day, Federer is still trying to "catch up" toovertake Lendl in many career achievements and milestones....

    Federer needs a larger racquet to compete...
     
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  47. sunof tennis

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    You are kidding, right? How many slams did Lendl win (8?), about 1/2 as many as Roger. Roger also won slams on all surfaces, Lendl did not. I don't make Roger the undisputed GOAT-Laver, Borg, Pete may have legitmate claims, but Lendl does not. There is nothing that Lendl did on the court that Roger doesn't do better
     
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    lendl sucks... period
     
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