Why Do Some Pros Struggle With Weight?

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  1. Cindysphinx

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    I was just watching Melanie Oudin, age 20. I hadn't seen her since her big run at the US Open in 2009.

    I was shocked. She looks like she has picked up 20 pounds, much of it around her mid-section. She has been playing the whole time, and it has only been three years. In fact, she is performing well and the commentators were going on and on about what a hard worker she is. So it can't be a situation where she is slacking off or skipping practice.

    I do not understand how a professional tennis player gets so visibly overweight. I have women on my team who are in their 50's who have had multiple children and have desk jobs but who are slimmer than Oudin. Need I mention that none of us can hire a fitness trainer or be active all day every day like a tennis pro.

    I don't mean to pick on Oudin, but she is so young and clearly does not have fat genes in the family. It's not like she retired and is coming back. I have seen other pros chunk up (Nalbandian, Baghdatis, Almagro), so it is not just Oudin or women.

    What's going on with that?
     
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    the thing about exercise is, it makes you hungry. you have to refuel. and this is where we get into trouble. lots of athletes eat energy bars (200cal) and gels and sports drinks. the favored sports drinks can be upwards of 300 calories for 16oz.

    you can easily ruin an entire days worth of exercise by eating a lot of the wrong kinds of foods. Tennis players are people. And a lot of people struggle with poor to awful eating habits they have had a long long time. Sweets is the primary culprit. Lots of mothers love to give sweets to their kids. Finally, troubled homes often produce dysfunctional eaters. those that eat to comfort themselves. that might be something to examine as well.

    She has had a lot of stress in her life. Having what might be called now a fluke run at the US Open at a young age put enormous pressure on her. she signed a lot of endorsement deals and she may feel she isn't living up to the standard she wants to deliver to those who had faith in her.
     
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    Because women only play best of 3 sets, and because women typically have terrible movement anyway so they aren't affected by the loss in stamina or movement.
     
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    How do you know theres not fat genes in the family?

    Genetics are a extremely significant factor, when it comes to weight gain (or more specifically what kind of weight gain)!
     
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    Diet, diet, diet!!!

    That same lean physique Fed keeps is a result of an insane work ethic combined with a strict diet.
     
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    Nope. Unless Nalbandian's fat genetics only kicked in at Christmas time every year.
     
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    Who is referring just to Nalbadian :confused:

    If you don't know about genetics and gaining weight, then you should ask someone who has to deal with it.

    Also, sometimes weight gain is good, particularly if you want to add lean muscle. Its much easier for some to do this than others and genetics is a major reason.
     
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    Federer is not the leanest player on tour, not even close...
     
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    what a dumb excuse, you could have the best genetics in your family when it comes to weight but if you eat a lot you'll get fat
     
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    One of the oldest with it though.
     
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    How naive of you!

    weight gain is not as simple as 1+1=2 or 2-1=1.

    2 individuals could consume the same amount of calories, and do roughly the same amount of activity yet yeild very different results (in terms of weight gain or loss; let alone composition) over the same period of time...

    You're foolish if you believe otherwise.
     
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    Excuses .
     
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    Ever since the release of the Avenger, she's just hulking-out.
     
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    Excuse galore.

    If someone really wants to stay/be fit, he will, it's only a matter of excersises and a healthy diet, of course some will find it harder to achieve and only this is where genetics come in. 90 % of people who are fat sit on their as**s all day, eat tons of chocolate every day and cry how genetics ruins their life.
     
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    Harsh but true.
     
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    wow i have no idea what your talking about - yes she is not a thin twiggy type like Venus but jeez she looks good. Her workouts are tough and she has been in the gym to get her core stronger. Her natural body type seems pretty "thick" just like Capriati or even Clijsters.
     
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    Duh!!!

    Thats what I said!
     
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    I suspect if there best of 5 set matches in the Grand Slams Clijsters would make losing weight a priority.
     
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    yeah, I just watched her 1st round match. Wow, her body fat percentage is horrible. She's horribly out of shape, and I would agree, probably 15-20 pounds overweight.

    How does it happen? Same way it happens to most people. Too many calories in (and typically the type of calories that predispose someone to weight gain by jerking around their insulin levels like a yo yo) and not enough calories out.

    The announces today alluded to it, saying she let herself go, didn't work on her conditioning, and was now in much better shape than she was 6 months ago. Good thing I didn't see her then.

    one issue athletes can have is they develop a certain eating style that works with their high levels of training. Then if they cut back on the training because of distractions, endorsements, off court obligations, stress, injury, whatever, but keep eating the same type and amounts of food, the results are predictable.

    I hope she gets it together. She has a reasonably solid game, but at her size she needs to use speed and conditioning as a weapon, and right now it's a weakness.
     
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    The same reason everyone does.

    You think the pros are superhumans who don't like to overeat just like the rest of us?
     
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    Because theyre people, and they feel that their weight is acceptable? Who cares? You're basically that insecure girl who hides her flaws by pointing out someone else's.
     
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    nah it differs really a lot with the genetics. i can eat whatever i want and it doesnt matter for me its actually hard to gain some pounds

    the question was how can she get fat not if she cares. for a pro athlete who does sport for hours every day its simply hard to imagine how many female tennis players can turn a bit fatty. and exactly this was the question
     
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    This is untrue. Studies have shown that there is very little genetic component to actual BMR. Virtually all of the weight difference between two people of similar age can be attributed to differences in exercise and calorie intake.

    There is a large genetic component to what you eat though, actually. What seems like "whatever I want" to you might be very different than someone else.
     
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    This is the UK beach volleyball team. Who's fat and who's skinny?

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    Stress and bisphenol A in plastic is why we are all fat. Even the skinniest of people, save maybe Gilles Simon, are fat. Take the skinniest person you know, have them lift up their shirt et voila, a little bubble.

    Unless you take a certain expensive regimen that waives the effects of plastic, YOU, no matter how great your metabolism is, will get the BUBBLE.

    Here is Roger Federer, whose body, once he stops playing tennis will become very, very, very fat.

    http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=...TCT5P0KYv0ggea2YDkCw&ved=0CGIQ9QEwBA&dur=1079
     
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    It's women, they aren't built for extreme athleticism. That's why men are always better than women at sports.

    Just take a look at Serena Williams, at her size she wouldn't be close to the top ten in men's tennis, even with her amazing talent.
     
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    I said it's harder for some to be slim not that you neccessarily have to be fat with bad genetics.
     
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    Actually, recent studies show that weight gain is part genetic, part environment/eating habits. There is definitely a genetic component in how easily one gains weight.
     
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    Not once you correct for activity levels and calorie intake, unless there has been something really groundbreaking recently. Could you link me to these studies?

    I remember reading recently that there's a large genetic component to how much activity one normally gets. A lot of skinny people tend to subconsciously make up for overeating by simply moving a lot more during the day. Fat people don't so much.

    But once you correct for that, the differences disappear. Ultimately, with very few exceptions it really does boil down to moving more and eating less.
     
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    genetics are a very important factor. you see it everywhere. bodies can behave very different we do not all have the same body... if it would be that simple ...
     
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    5'3" and 140 is not what I'd consider ideal weight, even for the average person. And we're talking about a professional tennis player here, where being lean is ideal.

    That's on the borderline of being overweight on the BMI scale.
     
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    5'3 and 140 is pretty big. She's probably at least 30% BF and should lose some weight. If she's 5'3, 140 lbs, and lean (under 20%) she has more muscle than most female bodybuilders.

    This woman is 5'4, 143 lbs:

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    you like em thick ehh? ;)
     
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    Some doctors were talking about it in the "weight of the nation" HBO series and I've also read some articles about the subject in "science news". Sorry, I don't have a link. But it makes complete sense to me. At 20, I could eat tons and never put on a gram. I had friends who put on 2 pounds with half a pastry. The difference was obvious. My metabolism burned calories faster. And no, there was no difference in our level of activity.
    Most of what I read confirmed my suspicions. Some hormonal anomalies cause intense gain weight. Down syndrome kids are almost always overweight. You cannot eliminate the genetic factor.
    Naturally, if you starve yourself, you will probably not stay fat no matter what. But people can eat the exact same meal and store more or less fat. Metabolisms are more or less efficient.
     
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    That is incorrect. You cannot lie to your body. If you do not gain weight when you "eat whatever you want" you:

    1) eat things, that are sufficient for your activities

    2) adjust your activities to the increased calorie intake (unconsciously)

    3) increase your calorie intake, when you have more activities (consciously or unconsciously)

    Either way, in your case, your calories intake is sufficient or slightly under the amount, that the body needs to maintain its normal function.

    Mind you, we are talking about healthy people here. Also, the brain requires a lot of energy.
     
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    Saying it doesn't make it true. Virtually all of the "metabolism" differences between people can actually be attributed to their activity levels (once corrected for age, gender, etc).
     
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    I guess the doctors are wrong then, never mind.
     
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    genes my friends ... you could probably feed Djokovic bacon and fries all day long (the worst combination of protein/fat and carbs) and he will still stay slim/lanky. I have a friend who eats junk food all the time ... he can eat an extra large pizza, 20 wings, a lbs of bacon in the morning, pasta, whatever, and he is so skinny, has a crazy metabolism, he doesn't work out ... lucky biotch
     
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    I guess this being an American board is influencing the discussion. We have all these American posters insisting their genetics are to blame!
     
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    There are all sorts of doctors. Believe me, I know. :twisted:

    Usually normal people that are overweight are looking for all sorts of excuses to not up their activity levels and get rid of the extra weight.

    The real reasons for their overweight problems (apart from the calorie intake, that is) are, that they are lazy and think, that they have nothing to lose by staying overweight. They are wrong about the latter, and they understand it sooner (socially) or later in their lives, if they are unlucky enough (health).

    With the professional players it is a lot more complicated. At the highest levels the players follow strict diets, to achieve particular goals. For example, most of the top dogs start the Majors a little over their ideal weight, and they are becoming lighter as the tournament enters its final rounds. That is a lot of stress on the body, that learns to react by storing more "fuel", when presented with an opportunity.

    And there are the "nutritionists". What they are doing is another story.
     
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    nothing to do with genes... look her big fat belly.. it's not core either.. she's currently replay on TC right now.. when she serves u can clearly her big fat belly jump out.. .. just bad diet and not doing alot of ab works and etc.. I once over weight almost 200lb.. I lost 40lb within few months and most of those weight are from the belly and thighs..
     
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    Watching Oudin on TC now. Wow, did she gain weight!
     
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    she was larger than that a few months ago.
     
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    Doctors often don't know a great deal about this stuff. Go look at a med school curriculum sometime and see how much there is about nutrition, exercise, and body composition ;)
     
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    Really? I hadn't seen her for a while.
     
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    no, Americans do eat too much (Canadians too, I must admit). I went to Texas last year and I was shocked about these huge portions they were serving at restaurants ...

    I just mentioned the story of my friend who eats like crazy and he is still so skinny ... (he is one in 10000s)... I'm pretty fit, but I had to watch what I eat, very little sugar, low carbs, plenty of salads and lean meat, fish etc. I love swimming ...
     
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    I know. In my 20s I was exactly like your friend, so I can say there is a genetic component from experience. I could eat 4, 5 pastries, banana splits and I weighed less than a hundred pounds. My friends were disgusted.
    Now that I'm older however, I'm just like everyone else :|
     
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    It is not only about how much the people eat, but also what they eat.

    Swimming is great complex exercise. It makes the body accumulate more body fat than with other equally intensive exercises/sports, though.
     
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