why do u hate roddick

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  1. big ted

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    why do ppl hate andy roddick. if u hate roddick can u give one good reason why u hate him besides something stupid like how he dresses or walks or how he's supposedly one dimensional ? can anyone provide a quote from his mouth in his entire career that might construe him as arrogant or a jerk ??? im not sure if construe is a word but u know what i mean .. I LIKE HIM :D
     
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  2. Vlad

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    OK, i don't hate the guy, but i don't really like his game. I actually liked him in the beginning, i remember watching him playing Costa at the Open in 2000? in the first round he lost in 4 sets.. I was sitting on the second row in the Grandstand. I also remember cheering for him against Lleyton at the Open 2001.., Then all this hype started.. PMac was dreaming about him and spreaded this disease to Cliff. Another thing that i don't like is that his game is kinda boring. Once he settled down with emotions (after Gilbert), i started to hate watching his matches (since all they've shown was Roddick), especially against lower ranked players. I mean i respect his serving ability but he just blows most of the opponents off the court. It is nice to see ace once in a while (like Safin or Fed) but if your whole game is based on that, it is just too much.
     
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    Big Ted, I seriously think there are more people who likes A Dick than hates him in this particular online community. I don't think those who post negative comments about him neceassarily hates him. So, don't feel insecure about your choice. Everything perhaps arose because the US media too heavily promoted him. Its different from the last era when there were the fab four.

    However, some people would eat a particular type of burger everyday for 5 - 8 years, if they find it nice at the beginning and at the same time say they are great BURGER fans. Which is a great trait.
     
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    Well said Vlad, you are the sensible one.
     
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    "I got one word for you, 'step up'" -Roddick

    "Thats 2 words Mr. Roddick" - Chair umpire

    does that not show his lack of intelligence?

    roddick doesnt even play, he just serves big and has no game. I think we all love how he stands in the backhand side of the court so he can get all forhands cuz thats the only way he will ever win other than his serve.

    notice when his serve gets returned he sucks ass.
     
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    I don't hate him, just don't enjoy his matches as much as some. Good example. I was watching the semi finals on delayed broadcast last night here and already knowing the results was going to be able to enjoy seeing how Fed and Rod got to the final. Fed sucked big time against Johansson but it was an intriguing match for that. I then settle down to watch Rod vs Kiefer (who is vastly underrated) to find that by winning a point in Rod's first service game off a first serve, he had won 50% of the number of points that he took off Rod's first serve in their final meeting the previous week. I didn't see that match but it didn't speak volumes about the long intricate rallies they were building. Then at 2-2 or whatever Rod went 0-30 down after two double faults and then in the blink of an eye, game Roddick after some huge serving. It is a marvellous weapon and I still can't really work out how he hits it so much bigger than anyone else, but it just isn't interesting tennis and I turned off and went to bed not long after. He's a very fine player, but not one I enjoy watching. Chang is the antithesis I guess and I never enjoyed watching him either.
     
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    Phil, thanks for serving as my grammer checker. Do you serve as a spell-checker too ?
     
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    I've grown to like Roddick's game. He's definitely not my favorite but he's off my hate list now.
     
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    I think early on in his career, Roddick was a bit arrogant. Since working with Gilbert, he's really stepped it up professionally. He seems to be "all-business" out there on the court. Obviously he still has a few outbursts every now and then...we're all human. However, what I respect most about Roddick is his mindset. When he lost to Safin in the Aussie Open...he didn't dwell on losing the match. Rather he used it as a learning experience and as motivation. And later on in Indian Wells, we saw Roddick avenge the loss against Safin. Whether or not Roddick ever solves the Federer puzzle is irrelevant. The fact is, Roddick will do everything possible to put himself in the best position to beat the guy, and that's the mark of a great sportsman.


    Secondly, as of late, Roddick has proven to be a truly gracious loser. He's given Federer the utmost respect in these past two matches.
     
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    I don't hate Roddick, I do hate ESPN's constant coverage of him, PMac's (and lately, CliffyB's) obsession and over hyping, and the media blitz (his gf, snl etc etc), and that can sometimes rub off :)

    To me its fun to watch how a player with limited talent, a one dimensional game, a great serve, good fh (lousy everything else), great heart, fighting spirit and competitiveness, and a sense of humor, is maximizing his potential and giving us good matches.
     
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    I really like Andy and like StupidCupid said more people like him than hate him.
     
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    he's so overrated... it's sickening. it's only a matter of time when players get used to use his serve and its downhill from there. like someone said, once the ball is in play, he's not much of a contender. even lower ranked players aren't blown away by his forehand (the other big weapon, ehem...)

    i gotta give it to him though, he makes a great world #2. he has nothing against federer.
     
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    Well, i have to say that he is (in most cases) overpowering lower ranked players from the baseline. Look at his results, he is making serious dents on opponents serves. Because of his imporved backhand, he plays on the baseline most of the time and takes the ball earlier than before (used to be about 10 feet behind scrambling). But.. looking at the very weak field right now (due to injuries) with Coria, Nalbandian, Ferrero out and Safin not really playing well, he is solid #2..
     
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    Stupidcupid - I don't claim to be a grammerian or anything even approaching a good speller-but your syntax made me, ahhh, gigle, and I had to go with the Gollum reference. We loves him...we hates him...we...is overdue on our shrink's bill...
     
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    I really don't know about this Vlad. I've been giving some serious thought to Andy's game recently and without going into a detailed analysis I'm a little worried for him. In about 3 years I could really see him falling way back in the pack....
     
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    I don't hate him.. I'm just not a huge fan of his game.. even if he is clearly the second best player in the world and can dominate others as Federer dominates them as well.

    If u look at Roddick's record this year it's actually pretty good. 54-10 with 4 singles titles. Now let's look at the fantasy situation where Federer wasn't around. Roddick would actually be 56-8 most probably and have 6 titles (I'm betting he'd have won the two finals he lost to Fed if he didn't have to play Fed). That would be a great year. Unfortunately Fed does exist :). And it doesn't help that he's probably the most talented player ever in terms of the mix of shot-making ability and power.

    Bottom line? I love tennis and I love genius when it's there. Roddick's game is good but Fed's is better and comparing the two I know who I'd prefer to watch and cheer anyday.
     
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  18. A-Rod has more dimension on a tennis court than someone over here, like Phil, does in his life. One dimension, meaning that you can't go forward or build on anything that you have done/said; nor can you think of abtract principles, but instead repsond the same way every time when those types of things go over your head... Wait! I think there actually might be a chance for two dimensions co-existing here, but no more.
     
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    I represent that remark, PrestigeClassic. Perhaps it's time to install some more lead tape in your shoes-or head.
     
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    I like Roddick, but I don't enjoy watching him play tennis.
     
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    I really don't like Roddick, the way he's cocky and the way he acted in the Miami final against Coria this year was disgraceful. Coria had kidney stones and Roddick thought he was just faking a back injury and Roddick was walking round doing an impression of Coria.

    He simply is a nasty piece of work. I hate his game the way he just muscles a serve over and his game = boring. Did you see him slam his racket into the floor yesterday? he was by the umpire's chair and it went over the boards and nearly hit someone in the crowed. We all know that was stupid as further actions could of been taken.

    I honestly wasn't that bigger fan of Fed until Wimbledon 2003, as anyone who can get inside Roddick's head is a legend in my book, yesterday he just hit to Roddick's "strength" which is his forehand and even come into the net. 4-3 in the second was a prime example the way he just won the point when he wanted, match-point was perfect as he just hit backhands back of Roddick's huge forehands then he got bored and hit a inside-out 1 handed bh dtl. It made Roddick look so ordinary and it made my day!!

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    hes great and would kill anyone of you guys with his awesome groundstokres.
     
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    I don't like Roddick's game at all. And, like others have said, in the beginning of his career, didn't much like his attitude. That said, he's learned that half the people who play tennis lose and he's going to be in that half every so often. He was just this side of charming with his on court remarks after losing at Wimbledon, and that can only bring more fans to him. He has grown considerably as a personality. While he can be a jerk on courts at times, who can't?
     
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    I never knew how ignorant everyone here was. Despite the fact that fed is #1 with no dout doesn't mean that Roddick is a bad player. He obviously isn't one dimensional. Even the worst of pros could hit the ball to his backhand if they thought it was that much worse than his forehand. And look how much his volleys have improved over the last year or two. It's obvious he doesn't have as much range in his game as Fed but Fed is an amazing player. You could take the worst part of Roddicks game and stack it up to the best part of any of the people in this board and I know it wouldn't even be close so yall really cant say he's not that good.
     
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  25. Emagdnim

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    I used to really like Roddick, then he dropped Terik.
     
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  26. chicagohpch

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    He is cocky and rude, and his game is one dimensional, what is to like about him except for the patriotic love? By the way, anyone else on the pro tours uses a tweener's racquet?
     
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  27. khs_tennis

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    All i wanna say is that Roddick is a great player and has a great game. He is without a doubt the second best player on tour right now, behind Fed.
     
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    a good rule of thumb is that when calling other people ignorant that you make sure you know how to spell first.

    secondly, please quit saying that roddick has a good backhand and volley because he is better than anyone else on this board. because he is better than a bunch of internet yahoos doesn't mean that comparatively speaking he has a good backhand or is good at the net when put along side other pros.
     
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  29. counterpunch

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    I hate him because I can volley better than him.
     
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  30. rommil

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    When Roddick first came on tour, I disliked him more then because of the way he reacted or over reacted on some occassions. He would keep on arguing a bad call or something even after a couple of change overs and would carry on with it. Also, I feel like he tries to be "cute" on court, doing some antics. When he hooked up with Brad, we saw the difference. He was a bit more subdued and concentrated on his tennis more. For me his game is uninteresting and not pretty although effective to some extent. I just watched the Wimby semis against Federer and at one point he was arguing with the umpire and told the umpire "You should try and cover your behind. Let's wait til we see the replay". So, they showed the replay on tv and the call was against Roddick. Even though he is much different now, he still gets himself engaged in these stupid arguements instead of carrying on and trying to do better. Some people might say"Give him some slack, he's just a kid". Well, Blake, Federer and a lot of the players his age deal with it better. Don't get me wrong, they too have outburst but they try to get over it right away and carry on with the match. I don't dislike him as much as before but I still feel some satisfaction when he gets beaten by Federer. I know. That can be wrong but hey....Hope this sheds light to the poster's question
     
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    That to me was one of the most digusting incidents I ever saw Roddick involved in. The ball bounced twice, everyone knew it, the umpire called it. Roddick then claimed he hadn't called it.(replays vindicated the umpire who called it and then called the score as well!) Then the umpire said "I called it, you may not have heard it....I wouldn't lie about this." To which Roddick responded "you would to save your own ass!"

    First, you know by common sense the umpire wouldn't lie about it as it could easily be determined by replay and he would be in big trouble. Second, to imply that he is a liar and would lie without proper evidence is very poor. Third, since Roddick himself knew the ball bounced twice, what is his argument? He likes to jump on other people for not doing the right thing, yet here when he knows he hit the ball after a double bounce he wants a let because he thinks the umpire didn't call it?
     
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  32. chicagohpch

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    This little punk!
     
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    On another board, folks are talking about the net exchange between Roddick and Federer at the end of their final matchup in Toronto yesterday. I saw the match and noticed how Federer backed off from Roddick slightly at the net when they shook hands. Here's the text of their exchange that a poster from another board reported hearing:

    "I have the match on TIVO and I have replayed the exchange over and over again. It is clear that Roddick says, "You're such a f*ing d*head...Jesus Christ". To anyone that disputes this, listen to it again or log on to any of several tennis chat websites, many people heard it."

    Anyone here catch that exchange?
     
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  34. VamosRafa

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    Andy is many things, but stupid is not one of them. I cannot believe he would say that to Roger, unless it was some kind of joke between them. According to press conferences, they have lockers opposite each other and have been talking quite a bit this week.

    If anyone can get an undoctored tape of that, I'd love to hear it, because I'd have to hear it before I believe that twaddle.

    If nothing else, even if Andy thought that, he isn't going to say something that would get Roger even more motivated to beat him. Duh!!!

    In any event, if you can get some credible evidence that Andy said something like that, I will ask Andy and Roger about it at the U.S. Open. I have a media pass; I can question them about it in their press conferences (which you can all read). What I can ask them is, "It's been reported that you [Andy] said something very unflattering to you [Roger] at the net after you [Roger] won Toronto. Is that true?" And then wing it from there. :wink:

    But before I do that, I don't want this to be strictly rumor and innuendo. So e-mail me at susan@tennisnews.com if you REALLY have something to support this. If I don't hear from you, well, I'll assume it is a rumor/hate thing against Andy.

    But I'd like to respond to this comment:

    I'm only stating the obvious, but when a player wins a slam event, finishes the year No. 1, and then is the undisputed No. 2 behind a player of Federer's caliber, he can't exactly be "so overrated . . . it's sickening."

    Again, as I've said before, if he's overrated and is doing so well, the rest of the Tour must suck big time.

    And people having been saying for 3 years that players will get used to his serve, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and yet he's still up there at the top. The reason why: because he's not relying just on his serve. He's improving other aspects of his game, and he has more areas he can improve on as well.


    And BTW, I like Andy, as many of you know. I think he's a great person, with a good heart, and is doing everything possible to be the best tennis player he can be. Can't say that of every guy on the Tour. Roger is better, but he's better than everyone else there, too. That issue isn't just Andy's issue. But it's a compliment to him that many folks are treating it that way.
     
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  35. AndyC

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    Ah Susan.. ever the sceptic :). However your wish is my command.. here's the clip.. I think u'll find he did say it :)

    To be fair though I think he meant it in an admiring way not in a malicious one and Fed I think took it in the right spirit.

    www.geocities.com/rosaponselle/Roddick.avi
     
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    If ur talking about roddicks racquet, Babolat Pure Drive Team Plus, its definitely not the same racquet you can buy in any tennis store here. Well, lots of ppl use it, yea even in the pro tour. There's Moya, Clijsters, Escude, Nadal (before he switched), Bogomolov, Massu, Feliciano Lopez, Ljubicic, Andreev, Wayne Arthurs, Corretja, Benneteau, Smashnova-pistolesi, and tonz more.
     
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    rodDICK calling Fed a ********, huh? interesting....
     
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    I heard it lol. it wuz just as a joke tho, even fed laffed lol.
     
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    Okay, that makes more sense. I can even see Andy telling Fed in advance, if you win, I'm going to call you blah, blah, blah. That's just Andy.

    The innuendo in the original post was that it was not taken in the right spirit. Unless I missed something. So yes, I was skeptical.

    I was able to access the audio, and I can't tell what Andy said. Except that the commentator said, "That's all Roddick had to say. He sums it up for everybody else."

    Why would the commentator say that if Andy called Roger a "dick head" or whatever??

    I think I need to see the video and audio together. Something just isn't jiving here.

    And if there's any question about whether it was a joke or not, I can ask both of them about it. No worries! Gives me something interesting to ask them. :wink: But I don't think I have all the info yet.
     
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    VashTheStampede: are those players in your poster all using the Team Plus or are you generalizing? Be a little bit scientific if you are trying to make a point! I use a YonexRD Ti-70 OS, and I believe it's very different from Ti-70 mid.
     
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    Another example of his unpleasantness. He is aptly named.
     
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    I've always wondered why people who arnt as good as somebody at something can still say that their game is horrible or that they suck. Doesn't really make sense.
     
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    I was pretty confident at the time that Roddick said "you are so ******* ridiculous" ....

    Which I would assume to be a compliment of the highest (if inarticulate) order.
     
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    There was defintiely an f word in there as you can lip read him but it was clearly a joke they were sharing and well intentioned - one of the nicer net meetings I can remember in a while, and certainly plenty of friendly banter in the speeches afterwards. They appear to get on quite well I think.
     
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    Thanks, jings, and others.

    And that explains why the commentator said what he did. Just echoing what everyone here says about Fed. How can you bust Andy for that?

    I think it was nice of Andy to say that under those circumstances? Very sporting indeed.

    As for the other incident mentioned above, okay, fine. Be a micro-manager -- focusing in on this and that -- and pointing them out. Yet not seeing the big picture. [And if pointing them out once, twice, or even thrice, isn't enough -- you can harp on it again and again. But it doesn't change the fact that you aren't seeing the whole picture.]

    But many folks here are macromanagers, thank goodness. They can assimilate bits of data, and put them in the whole scheme of things. And see that one single part doesn't make the whole of the situation, or a person.

    And lots of folks here, who don't like Andy, are able to see the big picture. And I respect that. I like the fact that you consider all the data, and give rational reasons for liking and disliking him. Or perhaps liking this about him, and not liking that. And that's very cool. He isn't an axe murderer after all -- so there's no need for the venom that we oftentimes see.

    But others just glom onto the same old, same old -- and they are becoming the same old, same old. :roll:

    Time for something new. :mrgreen:
     
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  46. VamosRafa

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    But I want to emphasize, if someone has something to show me that suggests Andy was less than cordial to Roger at the net in Toronto, please e-mail me about it.

    I WILL ask them about it.

    But if you don't ask me, and bring it up six months from now, I will call you on it.

    So let's do it now!
     
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    Well here lies the problem Susan. Although seeing that Roddick has made improvements with his game and the way he carries himself on court, these little things still happens. You say time for something new yet still Roddick still exhibits these traits every once in a while (although considerably less than before). Call it nitpicking. It reminds me of the time when Graf and Hingis played the 99 French Open. Hingis made repeated trips to the umpire's chair to complain that finally Graf said something to the effect that "can't we just go on and play some tennis?". Like I said, there are a lot more players that are Andy's peers who I have a lot more respect for the way they handle situations like these.
     
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  48. VamosRafa

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    Yes, rommil, but where are they now?

    If Andy drops back to no-man's land (which many of you hopefully predict), no one will care.

    But he's at the top. So everything he does is emphasized, whereas even worse things others do aren't publicized. Or they are de-emphasized.

    But it doesn't really matter, does it? Andy is where he is. Roger is where he is.

    And they are likely to stay in those positions by year-end.
     
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    And by the way Susan, instead of soliciting issues that you can clear up with Andy and by the fact that you establish that you can talk to him during the Open, maybe you can point out to Andy that some peolple are turned off by his more often than occassional bickering about calls and such. Maybe that will help improve his concentration and it will make some people's TV experience MUCH better.
     
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    Susan, let me nitpick for a moment. I know what you really mean but Andy is not at the top, Roger is. And by the fact you pointed out that when you are in that position, everything is emphasized or de-emphasized, why does Roddick seem to get more criticisms than Roger?
     
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