why does everyone hate andy?

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  1. tennis_hand

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    talking about aces, Yuzhny had more aces than Roddick did in the first set.
    and you say speed is everything?
     
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  2. slice bh compliment

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    Why do people hate Andy Roddick?

    1] Andy is a regular guy. The kid next door, only a little bit larger, fitter, slightly better looking and more charismatic than the average kid. He also has amazing confidence in his strengths.
    Just a typical American kid.....who does better than anyone expected in his sport, and with the ladies.

    We hate it when our friends become successful. Even more so, if that friend is not as nice as Blake, not as philanthropic as Agassi, and not as legendary and prolific as Sampras.

    2] His game is brutal and often very efficient. It is not attractive, not stylish, not flowing, not graceful. This reason only really applies to the tennis purist/traditionalist/ol' schooler.
     
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    Andy got mad at Youzhny because he held up his hand after Andy had tossed the ball, wouldn't you be pissed if somebody did that?
     
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    I just dont like the way he plays... I hate judging players' by there personalities on court, or their personalities at all. who are we to say if hes an ass or not we dont know the guy.
     
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    i want federer to give him the a beating. he is a cocky, rude, frat-boy-like brat with an ugly, intolerable game. the guy adds a down-the-line backhand to his resume' and suddenly he has become Jimmy Connors' protege'. give me a break. i don't know how much he pays Connors, but if he paid Connors so that he could be taught to play inside the court, serve big, and take a real swing at his backhand....he is one stupid tennis player.
     
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    It's awful if a player is hated for the style of play and their shots. I was finding it pathetic that players hated playing Kucera, because he was winning matches by throwing you off your rhythm.

    If you hate a person for their personality... now that's different.
     
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    God, at last the voice of reason.
     
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  8. tlm

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    I like a guy that shows some emotion on the court,compared to connors+mac andy is a saint.

    To me roddick is entertaining he gets upset in a match,so what he is busting his ass out there.He is making the most out of his talent+is under extreme pressure to win.

    I like seeing a guy get into the match+get upset once in a while,better than being a robot.I agree also there are a lot of jealous people out there.This is a pro sport with a lot of pressure + money on the line.

    People cant stand the idea of a player with mostly just a huge serve+forehand can be this good.It just proves how big these weapons are.

    I have heard andy in interviews + he always gives respect to the other players.You have to remember there are 2 sets of standards here.

    Federer can say the most conceited statements that you will ever hear+there is no problem,but roddick gets a little hot headed in a match+he gets slammed on.

    Thats the joke of this discussion,a lot of the same people who knock roddick will justify anything the fatheaded fed says.Just go back through this site+hear some of feds statements.

    He is the most arrogant big headed jerk you will ever hear.But on this site he has such a bunch of front runner fans that its okay.

    It is amazing reading the excuses for feds arrogant statements, if roddick said anything that even came close to some of feds arrogance he would be crucified.

    All andy does is show real emotion in the heat of battle,that is much different than being a big headed jerk like fed is in interviews.
     
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    You Roddick Haters are ridiculous---yeah he's cocky on court!!--He should be---believe in yourself--get fired up--get an attitude!!--Tennis is boring without it----I hate watching Leyton Hewitt now that he has calmed down---Roddick has the biggest serve out there---one of the biggest forehands out there--a great overhead!!!--has started making a weopon out of his backhand---playing closer to the baseline----it is about winning the match--maybe you should have two Roger Federers playing each other out there----Id rather twiddle my thumbs than watch that---!!--Back during the day of Connors and Mac-tennis was at an all time high as far as popularity---wonder why????????
     
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    I think Fed is very cocky, he gets that smug smile out there and looks pi$$ed when someone hits a good shot against him. I posted this a couple weeks ago but people were saying during his slump Roddick looked like he didn't care out there and wished he would show some emotion. Now he gets bashed for doing just that. And Roddick's complaint about Youhzny during the serve was he was in the ready postion then when he got ready to toss he'd put his hand up. And this happened in the first set tiebreak so people weren't settling in as someone mentioned. I'm willing to bet 95% of the people on this board would get a bit ticked if this happned more then a couple times while they were playing a match.
     
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  11. tlm

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    To RB,very well put i agree with everything you said!!!!
     
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    Same could be said for Sampras.
     
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  13. tlm

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    Great points by johnkidd also,these are the real facts,but you have to remember the double standard that exists on this site.But it is nice to see that some people can still see reality!
     
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    You're assuming everyone on this site enjoyed watching Sampras? That could be a bad assumption. Many of us like Tennis, not serving contests.

    And even for those you are talking about, I can't remember Sampras ever acting like a 14 yr old - that was Roddick's MO for his early career - with a bad flare-up yesterday - so it would be easy for them to say they're turned off by Roddick's attitude even if they don't mind his style of play.
     
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    Ridiculous post.

    Where do you live? Must be an exclusive neighborhood. He's a spoiled brat. How many 'regular' kids have their families move so they (and their brothers) can play tennis?
     
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  16. callitout

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    Ace youre right guys who were jerks on the court, were McEnroe, Connors, Agassi all beloved by the US public--but considered brats abroad and by a minority in the US.
    Who's gonna hate JC Ferrerro, but the guy has really fallen off compared to Roddick since his cup of coffee as #1. Who hates Moya--same deal plummeted since #1. Hewitt has lots of detractors, and Roddick has lots of detractors. IMO they seem to care about have fallen from the top than the other 2. Guys who are exceptionally competitve tend to stir the emotions of the fans.
     
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  17. West Coast Ace

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    Don't assume I, or anyone else slamming Roddick and old enough to have seen JMac, Connors, and Agassi (version 1), backed them. I did root for JMac - it was a struggle but the genius of his play earned him a pass in my book. I hated Connors - I respected his effort - but his juvenile behavior was horrendous and I never can remember rooting for him. I hated Agassi Version 1 and loved watching him choke to Gomez and Courier in the FO finals.

    You guys who like Roddick, can't understand why the rest of us don't, and want to try to convince us, would be better served working on your tennis games or fitness - it's not going to happen - there will be no evolution like Agassi. And a lot of it does have to do with style of play.
     
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  18. callitout

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    Non sequitur Ace.
    Im not assuming anything about you.
    Im just saying that lots of guys who are polarizing figures are the guys who are more emotional competitive types . Hard to hate JCF or Thomas Johansson. Guys who've fallen off.
    Sure lots of people love Fed's game and I do too. But lots of people think Roddick is an A-hole and acts like a brat, etc. etc. I just dont find much of difference tempermentally to the later Connors, JMac or early Agassi.
     
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    true. i don't really get worked up over falling in love with or hating someone i don't even know. but i think many fans attach themselves to players based on a player's style of play. because they either simply like that particular style, or want to emulate that style themselves, or those particular strokes.

    it makes perfect sense to me that a lot of people don't fancy andy roddick simply because his style of play is not appealing to them. playing style is the basis of how we can make a judgement on players, since we pay to see them excel in the professional arena of sport. what they do in their personal lives . . . well, that may tip the scales. but the basis for admiring an athlete is how they perform on the field of play.

    using that standard . . . roddick does not appeal to many tennis fans.
     
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    but what i REALLY don't understand . . . is why it matters? or why anybody cares? first off, all of us are making subjective observations about absolute strangers, whom none of us know personally. that, in and of itself, is pretty ridiculous if you think about it. saying you "love" or "hate" someone that you don't even know . . .

    if you knocked on your neighbor's door and professed your "love" for his cute daughter that you'd never met . . . or if you told the guy behind the coffee counter that you "hated" him . . . well, people would think you were a bit nuts. why we form such strong attachments to people in the public eye, is beyond me. we defend or cristicize them with such passion, as if we have something invested in them personally. or as if they care.

    then it gets even stranger . . . because we come on some anonymous messageboard and defend them to the death. a bit odd. but what's worse is that we can't accept if people don't agree with our perception of this absolute stranger (roddick, in this case). why are the roddick fans trying so hard to convince the roddick haters that he's a nice guy, no better or no worse than players of the past or of this day??? what does it matter? just like who you like, and let it go. the same thing happens with every other player of note. we argue about fed being this or nadal being that . . .

    i like who i like. i defend who i love. even then, i don't go around trying to prove to the world that my mom is a great mom and my brother is a good brother and my friend is a good friend. because i don't have to. even if they were perfect, there would still be SOMEONE out there who wouldn't like them. that's just the way it goes. but i refuse to invest that kind of energy defending (or condemning) a tennis player who i can only see on tv or from the stands, who i don't know, and who doesn't even know ME . . .
     
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  21. callitout

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    Some people just like reasons to be a associated with their judgments. Maybe they think it makes them sound reasonable.
    Youre naturally inclined to like youre family you dont have to like Jimmy Connors.
    But I can accept it if someone says ARod strikes them as an A-hole, just not sure why they would post it if they didnt expect anyone else to agree with them for some reason or other.
     
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    ^ why does it matter?
    because tennis wouldn't be a sport without the fans
    and what exactly are fans? they're the people who stand up for their favorite players
    to some extent, yes why does it matter? its not like andy is going to show up at my door tomorrow and start thanking me because i stood up for him on a messege board. but then again, why does anything matter? why even FOLLOW tennis matches? it doesn't matter who wins or not.. it doesn't concern us average people
    but yet we do what we do
     
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  23. FiveO

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    There's a difference between self belief, showing disappointment in oneself and projecting/directing/imposing anything but your game across the net at the opponent.

    I'm glad for A-Rod that he is playing well again. Truly. I welcome his big serve/big fh combo 1-2 punch back to the top as a slight variance in a sea of baseline grinding sameness. I applaud him for his improved return and defense, 1-handed bh approaches (which I hope he noted worked nearly without fail dtl and w/o success hit crosscourt) which yielded volley ops his improved volleys could handle more times than not. I'm glad he has his self belief back. I'm happy that he re-gained his 'swagger'/self belief. I'll be rooting for him to make a match of it today, as I did for Blake. I'm saddened that he is still so inately "a punk/trying to be a bully" that he couldn't do it without a return to his on-court ancillary bs.

    Connors did a wonderful job re-kindling Andy's psyche and game. Unfortunately what came with it was the true Andy and he is still a Punk. Let's see, Connors, phenomonal player, but a "wag a finger", "erase a ball mark", "use a racquet shaft as a phallic prop" Punk, leading another punk out of the darkness, and it results in results AND a return of a Punk. What were the odds?

    Classy champions on the court will always be classy champions on the court. Laver, Smith, Edberg, Sampras and now Fed. Punks will always be Punks in spite of the counsel of PR experts who advise the softer edge to procure endorsement deals, it's as if they can't succeed without it.

    To equate Fed's wry smile or expressing being pissed at himself for losing a point with outward communication directed at the opponent is also classless.

    Two instances yesterday show the TRUE character of A-Rod. First his audible critique of Youhzny's challenge which, in fact, confirmed a Roddick ace up the T late in the match and then the audible "Too Big" exclamation on another.

    The first was followed by a immediate glance from his courtside seat on the change toward Youzhzny's chair, which indicated to me, that Roddick was:

    a) confirming that the behavior got to his opponent's psychological kitchen, Oooooooooo!

    or,

    b) that A-Rod knew he 'got to him' and was 'concerned' the opponent might be coming over to "address it".

    What I love about those who choose to excuse Punk behavior is that the defense is generally firmly rooted in the same kind of Punk behavior:

    The "Well he (the opponent or perspective opponent) did 'this'" Defense. I find it amusing that those who employ it don't see it that way. Laugh out loud funny, actually.

    Some view being an a$$hole on court as 'personality'. It is but in other walks that kind of behavior is commonly associated with "Trailer Trash". So here's to Andy's return of confidence and improved game. And to those who welcome back Andy's inner child with open arms as 'bringing' something to the game, here's to you and shouting out loud while the opponent's service toss is in the air. That's entertainment.
     
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    Great post, FiveO!
     
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    Other than Hingis, who proclaimed herself as being better than the previous Champions of our time, Players don't typically hype themselves. I do agree that Andy Roddick was promoted far sooner than his results should have allowed. But he did log an important victory against Sampras in Florida, right out of the blocks and followed that up with his 2003 USO win. Along with making it to the Finals of Wimbledon, it was easy for his Agent to get Sponsorship Dollars.

    You would think after the Kournikova fiasco, Sponsors would be a little cautious and wait for solid accomplishments before spending millions on promotional campaigns. Roddick is not going to sit at the table and say, "Hey guys, all I've done so far is win one Slam Title. Lots of people have done that and that alone doesn't make me special." He believed the hype as much as everyone else and went for it.

    What Andy Roddick didn't understand or recognize, was every new Player on the Circuit with a serious weapon gets a little honeymoon period while the rest of the Tour is trying to find your Achilles' Heel. All Andy had was a huge serve as did Mark Philippoussis, Greg Rusedski, Rosco Tanner, Goran Ivanisevic, etc. Without a solid ground game to back it up, you're doomed once the other guys start sending your serves back with interest.

    I don't begrudge Roddick for believing that his Open win was the first of many to come. It certainly appeared that way but it wasn't Roddick's results that bothered me.
    Dick Enberg was the first to introduce the notion that Roddick, Genepri, Fish, Blake were America's answer to who was going to pick up where Sampras, Agassi, Courier & Chang left off.

    Other than serious game, our Fab Four had personality. It was easy to cheer for these guys. Roddick has zero for charisma and personality. He hasn't found himself yet, he doesn't know who he is or who he wants to be. He wants America to love him as much as we loved our Four and that will never happen. James Blake will come the closes because he seems genuine but Roddick just doesn't have it and that's why I feel his Promoters are force feeding him to us.
     
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    HATE is the opposite color spectrum of LOVE. They complement each other and feed off of one another.

    All of these b!tches whining about Roddick are actually Andy's biggest fans. :cool: ;)
     
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    The Roddick Hating Fanclub is directed that away ------->
     
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    You try:
    A: Making it to the semis after a 1st rounder last year
    B: Playing a guy in Youzhny who has nothing to lose
    C: You've lost to this guy half the time (2-2, now 3-2)
     
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    BluBarry, whats with the bold print? Kind've nice if I'm trying to find a certain name, but also time consuming.
     
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  30. slice bh compliment

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    I'm your neighbor, Ace. -:) And your yard looks like crrap, man. Hahahah.

    Well, my point in post no. 52 of this thread was simply that Andy looks like an everage American college boy. I was not getting into his parents means or their willingness to move to a better climate to foster John's and Andy's tennis growth. I agree, that is out of the ordinary, and it tells you something about the family.
     
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  31. obsessedtennisfandisorder

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    Blubarry...come on man that's pretty harsh on Andy.

    None of us know Andy personally...so as a result , as an earlier poster said...claims he's a "whatever"..is speculation.

    People also forget how young Andy is..he just turned 24...it's like he's been around for years.

    The US Media, in general, had no right to put so much pressure on a young person. What is Andy supposed to do? turn down contracts worth millions and have an 18 yr old say to these guys "hey, i haven't proved myself yet".
    he was winning in the bank account but in a no-win situation as far as his career results...

    last year when he fell out first round, I felt sorry for roddick, but laughed my head off at AMEX.

    And I even disagree with the begiinning of this thread...many posters here like him.

    Sure , he's not the preetiest to watch...big deal..hrbaty,davy, gee they are all so much more "pretty"s nadal, hewitt, luby,

    To serve like andy does is ahuge skill in itself he should be commended for..just like the fed forehand.

    Give Andy a break.
     
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  32. alienhamster

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    Five0, good post overall. You may be onto something that is emergent in his game under Connors: I'll admit I didn't catch the "too big" or any confirmation of that from the stands yesterday. The utterance of one "too big" itself I think is totally fine; you get pumped up, you're happy you nailed a serve, that's fine. It's not like he did that on every unreturnable or something. The potential "confirmation from stands" troubles me if this is indeed a sign of things to come.

    But Andy has also been vocal when his opponents do something really amazing. I've seen him say "too big" or "too good" or "great shot" in a completely complimentary way to Blake, Federer, Gonzalez, and a number of others. I really do think it's okay for him to say it to himself ONCE if he's happy with a shot.

    Don't you think people are making a really big deal out of this? It's as if everyone has a pretermined notion of how Roddick truly is, and you're looking for any one example that confirms and defines him, even if there's a lot of other evidence that suggests he's much rounder of a personality than a simple "Punk," as you suggest.
     
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    Just having fun where-ever I can get it. Kinda like a show of respect for these people who love or hate them, have accomplished much more than I ever did in this game.
     
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  34. alienhamster

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    Blubarry, you do realize Roddick's been in like 4 slam finals, and a ton of slam semifinals the past 3-4 years, right? Anyone who hyped him as a 8 slam winner was just crazy from the get-go. But you gotta admit, the dude's done remarkably well in the Federer era. I think he's clearly earned the right to think of himself as a regular slam contender. His tennis has definitely shown that.
     
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    i don't necessarily hate roddick, but i do think he's cocky and boring to watch. i'm not saying that other players aren't cocky, but i think it just comes across more glaringly with roddick. part of the cocky image might also come from some of his lacoste commercials, if i remember correctly.

    i've also seen him play courtside, and i have to admit his demeanor and a lot of little things he does (i.e. those mentioned earlier in this thread) do sort of make him seem like a bratty kid.
     
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    Lots of posts here. Lots of LONG posts. Lots of opinions. Yes, he's boring to watch. But so are 99% of the other pro players on tour. He has an "ok" game that hinges almost entirely on his powerful serve. But that's no reason to HATE a guy. That's not really the heart of the problem. So here's my brief answer why there are so many Roddick haters out there:


    He lacks humility.


    For a pro athelete in the public eye, that's a killer.
     
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  37. alienhamster

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    Not gonna cut it. Federer and most top guys "lack humility." (Blake is an exception here, perhaps.)

    And besides, Roddick sometimes seems *too* humble or deferential after his big losses.
     
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    I don't think Roddick lacks humility. Did you see his interview after losing to Fed in Wimbledon for the 2nd straight year? He made a joke about maybe having to tie Fed up in the locker room or something to beat him, and fully credited Fed as outplaying him. I found it remarkably refreshing.
     
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    You make a good point and to be quite honest, Andy Roddick in himself is not a bad guy at all ( I suppose) As I think about it, the real Villians here are the Media (as always). They create hype to a point where you can't stomach a Player anymore. I hated the MoJo Commercials. I thought they were done in very poor taste and I truly believe the Marketing Sponsors have little respect for the level of intelligence Tennis Fans have. They truly believe we are easily swayed so when Roddick was bounced in the 1st Rd. it was instant justification for us.

    I cheerish the hopes of Federer raising the Bar yet another notch in defending his title 3 times at Wmbledon & 3 times in New York. Other than that, he's just another good Tennis Player who's Slam Titles are equal to that of Andre Agassi and with all the Greatest Ever collections of words to describe Federer he really hasn't done anything that wasn't already done.
     
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    Honestly, I think Roddick's biggest problem is that he lets his mouth/actions run away with him. I do think he's cocky - most players are in one way or another - but I don't think he's a total jerk.
     
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  41. FiveO

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    alienhamster,

    Thanks. Don't get me wrong. I don't dis-like A-Rod or his game. However, early on he was prone to the same kind of stuff. Okay, a kid, no problem. While still relatively a kid he has been around a while, is a major winner and former #1. Whether it was PR or not he is aware of a good v. bad act as in his own words, scripted or not, he acknowledged that he "couldn't hate him (Federer) because he was such a nice guy." So he knows the difference. At what point do we stop writing it off to "youthful exuberance"?

    The old Aussies never acted that way, Edberg never did, Rafter never did, nor did Sampras nor Federer. All equally young. All obviously full of the same self-belief and determination common to all champions and aspiring champions. Do you think they lacked swagger, will or self belief? All chose a different path patterned after the old Aussies. "Talk" was done with your racquet. Overtly seeking to incite crowds, making audible references or gestures to or about the opponent, feigning injury or creating any disruption in play to interrupt an opponent's roll was what it is, "gamesmanship". "Gamesmanship" is the opposite of the "sportsmanship" championed by the Aussies and their predecessors. Play hard, play your best and may the better player win. Not the better inciter of crowds nor the best "head gamer".

    There was an understood on-court level of decorum where you did apologize to the opponent for a lucky net-cord and never, NEVER celebrated an opponent's UE. I watched Nadal celebrate a tie-break point over Youzhny as if he had just won the tourney, not after a winner, not after a long hard earned rally where he ground Mikael into submission but after hitting a sitter return of serve high and short of the service line which Mikael flubbed into the bottom of the net. It was the third shot of the point in the middle of the breaker.

    It started with Nastase and was handed down to Connors then McEnroe who one upped both of them. Gilbert wrote it into a game strategy. Because fans, mostly fringe fans, some of them drunken NY fans embraced some of it was labeled "colorful" or again "personality" but that never made it better. It never made it "okay".

    Connors, for me, while there is no denying the greatness of his play and tenacity, diminished himself with his, bullying, insulting, disprespecting opponents etc.. Some declared him the "people's champion". What people? The loud crass fan he appealed to, with intent? (One of his colorful propensities.) The loud few he overtly courted would become a mob which Jimbo would call on to help crush an opponent's will. Fair? Not in my view and I will venture to say that the classy champions before him cringed at his antics and those modelling themselves after him.

    Do I think Roddick is as bad as Connors' worst? No. Do I think he is pre-disposed toward that kind of Punk-ish behavior? Based on his early record and again now I'd say yes. It's in him. Like racquet throwing and on-court tantrums confessed by not only Fed but Borg, were in them in their formative years. But Fed, Borg and the sportsman of the past chose a different path. One in which the outcome was determined by their tennis abilities of body, mind and soul and not by whether one could deliberately and intentionally distract, annoy or otherwise un-track an opponent. Beat him or not. Win or lose. No BS. Tennis pure and simple.

    Those who argue tennis needs these type of "acts" or "personalities" should go look at the PGA. Never more popular. Never more profitable. Same standard of decorum, rule following to point of players disqualifying themselves after slight infractions, honor and the like through the decades. Why? Because it is expected, handed down as it always has been and enforced by officials, the book and peer pressure. I'm not even a golfer nor avid golf fan but I see enough to know it works and continues to work. The entertainment comes from the performance on their "court". The shots they hit and efforting to have no other effect on the outcome except with those shots.

    Is Roddick a great player? Yes he is. Is he a deserving champion? Yes he is. Do I admire how he plays? Yes. Is the outside stuff necessary? Maybe it is for him. Do I hate him as a result? No. Is it worth noting? To me, in this forum and to my boys, who I would hope pattern themselves after good guys rather than punks, yes.

    If it's one's cup of tea, great. God bless. It's not everyone's. And to somehow equate the acts of a bad sport, with a good one, or a punk with a sportsman only further insults the sportsman who IMO chose the higher road.
     
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  42. tennisjunkiela

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    Your point about the PGA is very good!

    btw, when i first saw roddick play several years back, i too thought he was a complete arrogant jerk; however, for some stranger reason, he seems to play much better now that he has that annoying swagger back.

    so i guess if i had to choose between the "kinder and gentler roddick", who's been losing quite a bit over the last couple of years, or the brash obnoxious roddick who won the us open, i reluctantly choose the obnoxious roddick.
     
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  43. DashaandSafin

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    Very very well said. See guys? This is what I like. An intelligent response rather than "OMFG ANDY IS TeH SUXORRR!!!!!!!!!!111111111!!!!!!!!
     
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    haha it WAS the best avatar ;)
     
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  45. dmvprof

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    You must HATE Hewitt then.
     
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  46. Feña14

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    Not really no, if something was putting my oponent off i'd wait. People have done it to me before and it's no problem at all, I have asked people to wait at times too. It's all part of the respect that players have for each other.

    To be honest it looked like Andy had no respect at all for Youzhny. I saw in his press conference after the match that Andy said the 3rd set shouldn't of gone to a TB because he was playing much better and had breakpoints so it was unfair that it went to a TB. Well Andy if you can't win the points that matter then that's not Youzhnys fault, Mikhail worked his butt off during that set to hold serve only for Andy to say he didn't deserve to get to a TB because he was playing better is totally disrespectful imo.

    People have found 4 or 5 reasons to dislike Andy in ONE match alone. It makes Ljubicic's comments about him seem even more believeable.
     
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  47. FiveO

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    Hate? No. Again, unbelievable fight and speed, fun to watch. I have commented before that almost incessant "c'mons" on opponent's UE's or on practically the first points of matches do make me cringe especially in light of the Aussies who came before him. It is made even more noticeable in that he puts them away in the presence of Federer and only Federer indicating his respect for him I think (as Andy seems to as well) and underscoring his disrespect for almost everyone else and thereby the game.
     
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  48. West Coast Ace

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    Don't do it! Don't go over to the Dark Side.

    And today's match showed it didn't make a whole lot of difference - Fed is still his Daddy!

    In the 2nd or 3rd set when Roddick was going back and forth and finally couldn't get to Fed's smash but kept running so he'd have to hop over that little fence, just to make sure EVERYONE would look at him - it just reaffirmed my belief that Roddick is a frat boy punk who if it weren't for tennis would be selling cars or a politician...
     
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  49. FD3S

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    You really think that was intentional? I don't know, he was running pretty damn fast to try and catch that smash...
     
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  50. Acraig426

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    that is so pathetic...the guy can't even try to play a bloody point out to the end without you losers jumping on him. If you don't like Andy, then say it and shut up. I'm so tired of everyone jumping on his unique personality and calling him a "jerk" or "classless". Just because he's not a federer drone doesn't mean he's a bad guy. Get off the bloody computer and get a life instead of trying to live Andy's for him.
     

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