why doesn't more people use 90-93 rackets?

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  1. Le Master

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    I, too, have been a 95 user for years. I recently switched to using 90s and haven't looked back. I have ridiculously more control and feel. And my 1HBH is substantially better. I'm also a d3 college player and big in size (bodybuilding and weightlifting are my other passions; I'm 6'3" 240).
     
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  2. BreakPoint

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    But why should what the pros use matter at all to what you use? You don't play against other pros, do you?
     
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  3. Overdrive

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    Regardless that if you play with a Mid, You still aren't playing what the 'pros' use... :|
     
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  4. BreakPoint

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    Yet, TW resurrected the PS 6.0 85 from its grave and is now a "Best Seller". Not even the Head Speed Pro endorsed by Djokovic is a "Best Seller".
     
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  5. BreakPoint

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    That's my point. Use what you want to use and forget about what the pros use because it doesn't matter.
     
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  6. Harry_Wild

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    I like the mid size because you have more control over your shots placement including your serve. Disadvantage is in return of serve but it not that bad.
     
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  7. shaneno

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    because i hear everyone like the older version! this new one the same thing but the feels worse... the old on is way better
     
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  8. shaneno

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    lol true! but when it comes to my back hand it hard! forehand no problem to return a serve :D
     
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  9. shaneno

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    what ur current stick?
     
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  10. BreakPoint

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    But if everyone likes the older version then why did so many people buy the new TW version to make it a "Best Seller"?

    BTW, I like the new version way better than the older version.
     
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    I have a Chicago version and I sorta like the new version better in it being softer and slightly lighter. Hey, I'm getting old ...
     
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  12. Ronaldo

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    It's too bad we gotta get old, eh?
     
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  13. BreakPoint

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    Yup, that's why I prefer the new version. I used to own the Chicago and Taiwan versions and this new version is softer and swings lighter, which is why I like it better. Aren't we all getting old? :(
     
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  14. shaneno

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    your a noob LOL
     
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    "Aren't we all getting old?"
    "It's too bad we gotta get old, eh?"

    Yes, but also wiser (and more experienced) with age.

    Anyway, I still use an i-prestige mid at least twice a week.
     
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  16. shaneno

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    hahah yeah it suck that we get older :(.....what racket u use?
     
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  17. pshulam

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    My racquets:
    Head PT280, Prince Spectrum Comp 90, Prince Graphite Pro 90, and i-prestige mid.
     
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  18. Fintft

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    I loved switching from a 98/100 to a 95, more of a pure sweet spot.

    I dream about using the 90 (Roger's); the only few times I've hit a FH it had some power :)

    But then I look at Roger shanking all those 1H BHs and I dunno...

    Besides I usually use 3-4 sticks at the same time and that would be too much of a change/investment.
     
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  19. Relinquis

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    because people mistakenly think you need a big head size as a beginner and then players continue to use something similar to that...

    A 90-93 is ideal for a beginner who wants to develop proper technique and game. it forces you to hit more in the sweet spot and they are generally headlight and a bit heaver so discipline your form as well, imo...

    Am biased as i picked up tennis using a heavy 93" stick.
     
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  20. prjacobs

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    Most people these days learn on bigger frames. And most people, (present company excluded - naturally), just play socially and larger frames make the game easier on the lower levels, which is a good thing. I think any serious player has to try out every kind of frame to see what works best with their style of play. I also think that, in general (and yes I know that anyone can play any type of game with any frame if they're good), heavier, smaller frames with denser patterns and lower power are designed for flatter hitters and larger, lighter frames are designed to be whipped through the hitting zone for more topspin, like the APD.
     
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  21. SteveI

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    Hi BreakPoint...one would have to agree that the Talk Tennis crowd is not really a good example of what most folks play with. You almost never see anyone playing a 90-93 in real life. Even the pros are almost all playing frames over 95. There are folks here that I bet own a 90-93.. but when the bell rings and they are playing a live match... the Pure Drive.. etc comes out..:)

    I love to fool around with a 90.. I have the Dunlop 100 (90) and love to hit with it... but.. in a live match.. no way. I am going to a 100 with a lower SW so I can get it around it time to maybe win a few points. You are oh..so very right about what the pros use...are we playing a pro soon?? So who cares. I got to swing Pat Rafer's frame a few years back in Canada. Things was about 13-14 oz...almost even balance and I am guessing the SW was about 360. The thing was a club.. but how he could swing it so fast to create that massive kicker was just so impressive.

    Have a good one..
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  22. superdave3

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    I played tennis in the 80's using an 85 sq in Wilson racquet, before going to 95's later. I recently tried a friend's 93 in Prince Graphite Classic, and could not for the life of me find the sweet spot. It is hard to believe that just 2 sq in would make that much difference, although I think some folks on this site say the Prince is really 90 sq in. I guess it just goes back to playing with what you are used to, and anything smaller is an adjustment. I have heard that head size alone does not determine the size of the sweet spot, as some racquets like Yonex and the Volkl Powerbridge Mid play bigger than their headsize.
     
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  23. lgbalfa

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    the Dunlop f100 is out only in Europe.

    looks like Dunlop is phasing the 90 out of America.
     
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  24. NLBwell

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    The 90 sq in Pro Staff is still one of the best selling rackets.
     
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    Nobadmojo:)
     
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  26. prjacobs

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    Any legit 4.0 player should be able to consistently find the sweet spot on a 90 sq. inch frame when playing people on their own level.
     
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  27. BreakPoint

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    Could it be because most people don't have good enough eye-hand coordination to use Mids? I have no idea. I have no problem using 65 sq. in. wood racquets so I have no idea why anyone would need a 100 sq. in. or bigger racquet. I mean the ball is only 2.5 inches in diameter so why would you need 110 sq. in. to hit something so small? :confused:

    Even at the highest levels with maximum pace and spin, I can't think of a single pro using a bigger racquet that Federer has never been able to beat with his 90 sq. in. racquet. :) Same goes for Sampras with his 85 sq. in. racquet. Agassi's 107 sq. in. racquet sure didn't help him get even a single win against Sampras in all the times they played at the US Open and at Wimbledon. :shock:
     
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  28. SteveI

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    Yes.. they can find it.. but how often can they hit it to be effective? I know zero 4.0s that play well with 90s. Lots of 4.5 and higher. Some 4.0s think they are doing well with them IMHO.. but in general they are very wrong.
     
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  29. Readers

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    And Nadal is 19-10 H2H against Federer, has beaten him in GS final on all three surface, all with his unnecessarily large 100 sq in APD. :):twisted::)
     
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  30. BreakPoint

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    And Federer is 14-0 versus Ferrer and his unnecessarily massive Prince racquet. In fact, I'd bet Federer has won over 90% of his matches against guys using bigger racquets than his. :oops:
     
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  31. BlueB

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    I'd suggest you switch to this:
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    because i can hit my shots a heck of a lot easier with a mp than a mid
     
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  34. BlueB

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    Truth or dare?
    I dare you play a set with the above, you might find out the truth ;)
     
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  35. BreakPoint

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    Nah....looks way too light for me.

    And it would never fit on my stringer. :wink:
     
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    I grew up using a Boris Becker Super and a Prince Graphtech DB 90. All my friends had larger frames, which at that time usually meant a 95. I really think I made things more difficult for myself. I have heard some say it forces one to develop better strokes, I am not sure whether there is much truth to that. The mids I have played with in recent years are the Pacific Vacuum, Kblade Tour, BB London Tour, BLX PS 90 and the original PS 85. Everyone of them feel great when you execute. A few days ago I picked up the PS 85, and hit about 10 balls and said, "Ummmm, no..". All really nice and awesome feel, but in order to play them full time I think I would have to play more.
     
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  37. Ronaldo

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    Last singles match, 9 yrs ago, won with an i.prestige mid. Never played better. But a good man knows his limitations.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVQmaWlYvZg
     
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  38. Disgruntled Worker

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    Since I'm a manly man, I only use Pro Staff 85s leaded up to 14 oz.
     
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  39. BreakPoint

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    Nah......if you were REALLY a "manly man", you'd be using a 16 oz., 65 sq. in. wood racquet. :wink:
     
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  40. Jack Romeo

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    for me, it's all about how comfortable you feel when hitting the ball. i use a 100 sq.in headsize myself. i usually have no trouble going down to 95. i recently tried an old 92 sq.in yonex rq180. still felt really good. maybe the isometric shape helped there a bit. i just find that on days when my timing is a bit off, the 100 headsize helps with the forgiveness.
     
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  41. tata

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    Definitely forgiveness. A sub par day in form can equate to a lot of errors in a mid.
     
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  42. tennixpl

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    everything is about personal preference. As a 1BH player a larger frame causes more mishits for me. but they make a better forehand shot. i have a slower serve but better volleys. There is always a change in balance and weight with headsize changes too, so its never a true comaprison unless you spec match them. don't hate on players who use what you don't, some like small heads some like large. same with stiffness and string pattern. there is a lot of haters here
     
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  43. robbo1970

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    They just seem to come in a bit too weighty for me.

    My ideal weight is about 320g strung including leather grip and o/grip and there just aren't that many mids that come in at that weight. Otherwise I would give it consideration as I do like the feel of a mid.
     
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  44. BreakPoint

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    That's probably because a Mid at that light weight would pretty much be useless. They need to compensate for the lack of power of a small stringbed with weight. All my Mids are weighed up to at least 12.5 oz. (355g) and even at that weight I sometimes feel they are underpowered and need even more weight. For example, my PS 6.0 85 is 366g stock with just an overgrip and I'm thinking of adding lead tape to the hoop to make it less wimpy. :)
     
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  45. SandVolley

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    i used a volkl 93

    and kps 88 before that
     
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    I play a lot of doubles--I rely more on placement/control, but can still generate my own power so a smaller head size fits the bill.

    I use the old Head Prestige Pro (brown/red fade). When you hit the ball right on the sweet spot, the feeling is absolute money. I don't get the same feeling with any other MP racquet--or any other midsize racquet made nowadays. However, I'm hoping to hit with the Pacific Vacuum Pro 90 and see how that compares to the Prestige Pro.
     
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    IMO, the reason mids are more "difficult" to play is because recreational players find it difficult to more quickly enough.

    From my very own experience, I can easily get away playing lazily with the large heads, 95's included. But if I let that laziness creep in when I switch back to playing my mids, I just died on the court. I have to get my feet moving more, be better and more conscious with preps, etc. to really bring out the benefits of the mids.

    So, I think that may be one reason why not many people use the mids. You just can't be lazy to play it. You've got to earn your shots, no free lunches. The result is very rewarding, though.
     
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  48. anubis

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    because most of us are just amateur hackers and its so much easier to hit the ball with a bigger racquet than a smaller one.

    then whenever we're feeling down on ourselves for using such huge frames, we turn on the TV and watch a pro tennis match and see a ton of ATP pros using the exact same racquets.

    Then we don't feel so bad.
     
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  49. Egoista

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    Because they are not good enough thats why.....

    Im sick of seeing kids these days with average talent hitting big ripping FHS and Bhs with these over sized Babalot frames.......

    In my day it was all about the mids.......I love beating some of these superstars with my humble mid
     
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    I meant Babolat
     

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