why doesn't more people use 90-93 rackets?

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  1. MikeHitsHard93

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    Thinking about going with a prostaff and being done with it
     
  2. MTXR

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    I'm having a significantly hard time moving from my PS 85 to the BLX 6.1 95. My serve is way better with the BLX 95, but everything else suffers for me.

    I can't seem to move the ball around and keep it in the court like i can with the PS 85.

    With my PS 85 if i want to go to a corner i can hit the corner without thinking.... with the BLX 95 it's either long or wide. I can't hit my slice with the BLX 95 or a backhand return to save me. I've shanked balls and even hit long with a wide open court.

    Granted i've only used the BLX 95 for about 5 hours total.
     
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  3. MikeHitsHard93

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    I've been thinking about doing this. Anyone else do this or is this dumb?
     
  4. Sander001

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    It's what I do. My racquets are very close in weight and balance and it allows me to switch between 90 and 98sq" with relative ease.
     
  5. dmcb101

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    I grew up with a 95 and have never really liked going any higher. I played with a 93, 95, 98, and 100 in college and I preferred anything from 93-95. I played with some 90's the other day and I cant say that I could really tell the difference other than balance and weight. I think once you go down to 90, the weight and balance are more stuck in their specs than when you are working with a 95. Most 90's specs require long swings and early prep with racquet head speed being a must on most shots. I am a teaching pro so I get to hit all the time and I like the challenge of playing with the 90. If I were to compete I dont think that I would use a 90, but its not like if I did use the 90 I could not compete. I just might feel a bit more comfortable with a 93-95, as that is what I grew up with.
     
  6. Fintft

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    That's in line with that stat that says that among all pros that use Wilson, the most popular model is 6.1 95.
     
  7. dmcb101

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    Yeah I can see that. It just seems to fit me. Probably the same way some people feel about pure drives or APD's. It just feels right
     
  8. Shroud

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    FWIW I bought a prince White racket. Normally I hit with the Prince Original Graphite mid, and the white is 100 or 98 vs the 93in for the POG.

    Pog is a much better racket and is just sold. The White is a rec racket and I found it much harder to not only control but it was too springy. The POG was so much more solid.

    I weighted and balanced both racket identically. the strings were a bit different with the White racket using Problend at 30lbs and the POG strung with Ashway kevlar/ Prince Synthetic gut at 28/30lbs.

    I use to hit with a prostaff 125. Looking back I had the worst time with my forehand with that racket. IME the bigger the racket the more power and the less control. So smaller rackets are great for me as I can generate my own power for the most part.

    Its all personal. But you do seem to need more skill for smaller rackets.
     
  9. BlueB

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    Ha, ha, no one told that to Isner, apparently :D

    I'd take POG OS over POG Mid, anytime, while I preffer White to both of those.
     
  10. Shroud

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    Oops:)

    Imagine how great he would be with the POG....

    Anyhow I think we can agree that the POG has alot more control and less power than the White right??? Thats what I meant.
     
  11. BreakPoint

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    Sure looks like an EXO3 Warrior to me:

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    Even has the rectangular string ports on the sides.

    Looks just like the EXO 3 Warrior sold here:

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    Look again at the pic with the name. Elliptical ports on the top. Then if you looked verry carefully to the bridge, you'll see elliptical ones too, painted around to appear rectangular.
     
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    My POG OS has more power then White, of the ground. I serve better with White so play morr often with it. I didn't touch Pog mid for a while, but I think it had less power then the othet two.
     
  14. Shroud

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    Yeah I am talking about the MID. Never hit with the POG OS. Zero desire to.
     
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    You don't know what you missing ;)
    Comfort, way bigger sweet spot, extra and easier top spin, easy return of the serve... The only thing that's lacking is flat first serve. I extended my lightest specimen by 1/4" and it improved a bit in that department too.
     
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    The POG OS is absolutely immense, I heartily second this recommendation.
     
  17. vsbabolat

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    Nope. Isner is still using the O3 White.
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    But the ports on the sides are clearly of different shapes in these two pics. This one has the EXO3 Warrior's rectangular ports:

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    Just a better paint job and different viewing perspective. You need to go only by the pics where you can see through the ports. The ones that are with closed angle are deceiving - ports are blackened inside and squared off with paint on the perimeter, so they appear as rectangullar. Look again at this pic:
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    The ones that you doo not see through, on the sides, seem to be recangular. the ones you see through, on top, are clearly elliptical. The ones on the bridge seem rectangular, but when you look closely / zoom in, you'll see they are elliptical and painted inside and around to look rectangular...

    But we really derailed this thread...
     
  20. vsbabolat

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    True!
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  21. BreakPoint

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    If you can't see through the ports on the top of the hoop in that pic above then you need to get your eyes checked. You can CLEARLY see through the ports and see the same exact background as in the rest of the pic. And no, I do not see any "painted rectangular ports", and I doubt anyone else can either.
     
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    same reason why you don't see bassmasters trying to catch their record bounties with bamboo poles.

    if something was invented that made people better at something, don't you think people would use it? if it made them worse at something or more uncomfortable, don't you think that's reason why they stay away from it. People really need to use common sense here. It's foreign territory on these boards, I know, but you should at least try to think a little.
     
  23. BlueB

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    The paint around the ports blends with the dark background. So no you don't clearly see through the port, you see the perceived image.
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    On the same pic you also see elliptical ports on the side of the frame, facing top of the pic.

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    So who needs his eyes chequed? ^^^

    Oh yes that's it, Prince probably created a new mold for Isner with elliptical ports on the top and rectangular on the side [/sarcasm]
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    Btw, I just watched the last game of Isner/Berlocq. His frame has elliptical ports all around. Nice closeups after the match. You can watch for yourself, if you missed it.
    Pic from that match, elliptical ports on top:
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  24. vsbabolat

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    I Agree with you!
     
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    Is this seriously a debate right now? Isner is still using the O3 white.
     
  26. BreakPoint

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    I'm not talking about any other pic. I'm ONLY talking about the pic above that I posted. And I'm not talking about the ports on the sides, I'm ONLY talking about the ports on the top of the hoop in that pic I posted. In that pic I posed above, the ports CLEARLY look rectangular on the top of the hoop. So unless you think "rectangular" is a code word for "oval", they are CLEARLY rectangular. And, no, Prince did not use blue paint on the ports on a black and white racquet just because they knew Isner would be playing against a blue background in that match above.
     
  27. BreakPoint

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    I seriously don't care what racquet Isner is using. Whether it's the O3 White or the EXO3 Warrior, they're all tweeners to me so I don't really care at all. All I'm saying is that the pic I posted above CLEARLY shows rectangular ports on the top of the hoop from the inside of the hoop. That's ALL I'm saying. My eyes do not deceive me. I can tell the difference between a rectangle and an oval. :)
     
  28. MikeHitsHard93

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    Maybe it's a super modified racket...like o3 speed port black top grommets? Idk. This thread is so derailed now
     
  29. vsbabolat

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    Dude, they paint white rectangles around the oval port holes. If you were to post a close up photo you would see that they are oval.
     
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    Nope, you started the discussion by insisting that Isner doesn't use O3 White but EXO3 Warrior. When continuously pointed to proofs that it was in deed an O3, you finaly wiggled into wanting to discuss only one particullar pic and only one side of the frame.

    Oh yes, they do... Here is the frame from the pic, 400% blow up. Black visible by the dark blue showing through the oval:
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    Also, John Isner awards you this trophy:
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    My appologies to all the good people of TTTW for lots of stuff that became OT. Now that the troll is back to his cave, we can go back to the scheduled programing...

    Mods, please feel free to relocate the Isner's racquet related posts/pics into a separate thread.
     
  31. BreakPoint

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    Nope, those holes still look rectangular to me.

    You should start a poll and use that pic above and ask people if they see rectangular or oval holes. I'd bet the great majority of people will say rectangular (or square).
     
  32. jonestim

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    Round, and you can tell by the reflection on the side ones they are round.

    Your hijacking of the thread is a shame, and your constant need to be right on this and other threads is just sad.
     
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    I'm not talking about the ports on the sides. I'm ONLY referring to the ports on the top of the hoop as seen from the inside of the hoop, as in the pic above.

    Who's the one who first brought up the O3 White in a thread about 90-93 racquets? And are you sure I'm the ONLY one in this thread discussing Isner's racquet?
     
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    "Shroud" brought the O3 White into discussion - completely justified as an example of something different then heavy Mids.
    It happens to be Isner's racquet, which is also justified to mention, as an example of pros playing with a tweener platform.
    No, you are not the only one discussing this (now off-topic), but you are the only one trolling about it.

    I guess you do not see the black paint by the top ports either, on that blow-up pic?
     
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    I contacted one of the Mods about this thread derail. Hopefuly they'll move the off-topic part into a separate thread, to keep it fair to people who mostly want to read about pros and cons of the Mids.
     
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    Sigh.... But your first post on the subject said that the side ports were rectangular.

    Your original argument is that he is not using the O3 White, but the EXO3 Warrior. Does the EXO3 Warrior have round ports on the side? No. Can we clearly see that the side ports on the photo you posted are round? Yes. So your original argument is wrong.

    I found a slightly higher resolution version of the photo and opened it in photoshop, adjusting the hue and saturation to turn the background blue more of a bright teal. When I did that I can see that the top ports in the photo are indeed oval and the rectangle is paint as everyone else on this thread has said, making you wrong.

    The photo you are referencing is from the 2012 Atlanta Open. For arguments sake, lets say that Prince made this one off racquet for the 2012 Atlanta open with rectangular top ports and oval side ports. Let's pretend that it was called the "EXO3 Warrior," because your argument is that he uses an EXO3 Warrior. Every photo since the one you have shown has round ports, which means that he isn't using the special one off racquet from that photo anymore and he is "back" to using his O3 White painted like a warrior. So... even if you were right that the ports in this photo were rectangular - which they aren't - more recent photos show oval ports, so that is "what he is using," making you wrong.

    From http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/sp...ion_1171656e-c78a-11e2-bb9e-0019bb30f31a.html we see this image taken yesterday:
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    I'm stretching a little here - but I'm guessing that the racquet he was using yesterday is the same racquet he is using today. That means that he "is using" a frame with oval ports on the top and bottom, which everyone else besides you agrees is the O3 White - which makes you wrong.

    I don't care to discuss further your photo that does not have enough color differential, is too low resolution and has too many JPG compression artifacts for you to see what everyone else does. The fact that it is from July 2012 means that it is not relevant to the discussion.

    Mods - please delete every post in here about the O3 white, including mine
     

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