Why dont alternate when doing bottom top cross?

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  1. tyu1314

    tyu1314 Semi-Pro

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    I know that when doing cross that is in between the two last mains ,you do not alternate. eg on my 6.1 95 16x18 , one side is over over over under over.under over....under under under.

    Why do we have to do this.
    How different would the string play if we dont do this, and alternate every crosses?

    I ask this question is because i have few friends that just bought their own stringing machine, and i see that all made the mistakes of alternating every cross.
    And when i told them that they are wrong, they asked me why,
    and i was like eh...........idk.:?
     
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  2. drakulie

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    I just got an ice cream headache reading your explanation. :)

    Could you explain it again?
     
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  3. PBODY99

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    If I understood your question.....

    You must have a uniform pattern of interlaced strings.
     
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    Illegally strung, but I wouldn't mind seeing a photo.
     
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  5. Irvin

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    back in the days of the spaghetti stringing all crosses were ran between the mains in the same pattern. This provided more spin on the ball. Don't know why but I would guess this way the mains could bend more and when they snapped back it helped in producing spin. Also there were knots that could bite into the ball more.

    Any way rules now say all strings must be alternately interlaced. Because the last crosses go between main in order for them to alternate you have to start over/under the same as the main you skipped.
     
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  6. diredesire

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    I think OP is actually asking why you don't "always start under" every single main. Once you hit the last (outside) main, every weave you do always starts under (or over). On the second to last main, this doesn't hold true.

    This is pretty obvious why, if you look at it critically: If you are weaving crosses, you always start under (on the outside main) because you always end over. Your start weave is dictated by the previous string. On the second to last main, since you have one less main to do, you have to switch out your "starting position" as compared to the ouside main. The only thing you need to think about is: "What happened on my previous string?" If it ended over, you start under. If it ended under, you start on top. Simple as that.
     
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    Excuese me if the question i asked above isnt clear.
    this is pattern of a 6 1 95 16x18 why we do this
    u n
    u n
    u n
    n u
    u n
    n u
    u n
    n u
    u n
    n u
    u n
    n u
    u n
    n u
    u n
    n u
    n u
    n u
     
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    tyu1314 Semi-Pro

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    instead of (wrong way)
    u n
    n u
    u n
    n u
    u n
    n u
    u n
    n u
    u n
    n u
    u n
    n u
    u n
    n u
    u n
    n u
    u n
    n u
     
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  9. diredesire

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    Simply because there is one less main on the first/last3. If you look at the previous string, it becomes obvious. If you went n/u/n/u/n/u/etc, you'd have 3 strings woven the same direction (error) at the top and the bottom. If this is hard to visualize, just have one of your friends try it next time they string, it'll become very obvious very quickly.
     
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    u-------> ,<--------u , u---------> , i get what you say about woven the same direction (error) .
    What difference does it make when you do it right,and wrong?
     
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    Go down any main and the over under always alternates. If you go diagonally it never alternates.
     
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    Bingo. You'll have the top 3 crosses woven exactly the same, and the bottom 3 as well (or top 2, depending on frame).
     
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    My brain is hurting trying to understand what the OP is doing. I need a picture, 'cause if he is doing what I think he is doing, well, ................ I guess I would have him sit & stare at a properly strung racquet until he answers his own question.

    Cheers,
    kev
     
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    It is a common mistake for beginners or even experienced stringers when fatigued or distracted.
    Easy to see, rather difficult to explain without confusion.
     
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    how different would it play if you do it the wrong way?
     
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    Perfectly put.
     
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    We don't exactly experiment with random illegal stringing as it would:
    A. be a waste of string/time
    B. Make some of us lose our jobs.

    Honestly though, Pretty sure it wouldn't play much different if the rest of the crosses were properly woven....
     
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  18. diredesire

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    Yep, pretty much. it might buzz a little more, though :twisted:
     
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    Totally agree. I don't do illegal string jobs, but in my high school days I have had the misfortune of receiving unintensional illegal string jobs from incompetent stringers who missed a few weaves. There won't be much of a difference, but you'll get a vibration you wouldn't hear otherwise. I've heard that in some cases you'll get more spin depending on where the misweave is, but I imagine there would be some inconsistency to go along with it.
     
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  20. SwankPeRFection

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    On the bottom and top crosses, you're short a main or two depending on string pattern when you first start out. In order for the proper pattern of interweaving strings to develop, you can't follow the alternating pattern until you get to the point in the crosses where you're weaving ALL across ALL the mains. That's it... nothing special. Tell your friends to focus more on middle to outside as opposed to outside to middle when they're trying to make sense of this. It should help them out in visualizing what they're doing wrong.
     
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