Why don't we have red clay in the U.S?

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  1. ESP#1

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    Not sure this belongs on this forum but there really isnt a better place.

    I've been watching the South American tournaments and they are all played on red clay, seems similar to the European clay, why are we subjected to this green clay which plays different,

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  2. saram

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    Clay is a four letter word to American tennis! :)
     
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    In California, where I live, we have grey clay too, not sure how it plays though, I have never played clay, am a hard court player. I would be nice to have a bit more, so others who want to could try it. Give people a chance to try it out.
     
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  4. fin-tennis(h)

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    Why don't we have anything else than red clay outdoors in Europe?
     
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  5. ESP#1

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    Playing on clay is great for your tennis, teaches you patients and makes you more consistant, you should make an effort to try it sometime,
     
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  6. veroniquem

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    That is simply not true. France for example has a lot of hard courts too.
     
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  7. beckham

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    Yeah, I would love to try it out, but there aren't any clay courts where I live. I did go on vacation to santa cruz this past summer. we went to a tennis facility there, and they had a clay court, but it was under reconstruction, so we couldn't play on it.
     
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  8. ESP#1

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    Spain has hard courts, but i guess clay is more abundant especially at clubs

    but really does anyone know why we don,t have red clay?
     
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  9. dr325i

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    Back to OP question, even Canada has red clay, not sure why is it so rare in the USA.
    Though, I don't like playing on clay at all...
     
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  10. beckham

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    Maybe it will become more popular in the future, we shall have to wait and see.
     
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  11. fin-tennis(h)

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    I know. That was half a joke half true. Here in Finland we have red clay courts at almost every club but good quality hard court outdoors hardly anywhere.
     
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  12. Leublu tennis

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    There is a Miscellaneous section and it has a subsection called Rants and Raves. Maybe that would be more appropriate since this one is supposed to deal with players, not surface or equipment. But everyone disregards that and talks about surface all the time, so I guess you are in the right place after all.
     
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  13. Leublu tennis

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    I live in the Bay Area and have never seen clay courts anywhere. One reason may be that clay courts require maintenance and hard courts don't. Oh, they will replace a net once every 10 years but not much more. For clay courts, its almost daily care, I think. But being a Californian what do I know about clay?
     
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  14. Leublu tennis

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    I love playing on clay and did when I went to school in Boston. Its really an entirely different game and, since I like to run balls down, this sure suited me fine.
     
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  15. veroniquem

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    That's true, most hard courts are indoor.
     
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  16. beckham

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    I played in a tennis facility in Santa Cruz, and they had a clay court, but it was under reconstruction, so I wasn't able to play on it. Thats the only one I have seen in California. I used to live in Hayward, but now live near Stockton.
     
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  17. Cyan

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    Yeah! :twisted:
     
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  18. alcap26

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    plenty of red clay here in East TN....just not clay courts.
     
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  19. edmondsm

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    Because it has to be raked?
     
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  20. S H O W S T O P P E R !

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    I think it's because clay is expensive to set up and maintain and it ruins your shoes.

    EDIT: Oh good, no one made a joke about #2. REMOVED
     
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  21. edberg505

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    You've got that right. I went there thinking I was gonna play on some red clay and everywhere I looked there were hardcourts. I did get to play on some grass in Great Britain though.
     
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  22. sheq

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    ı am living in Istanbul and in here you cant find a clay court..thats a shame...but in tourneys as a player you could have a chance to experince playing on clay and thankfully ı used my chance :) In our country all the clay courts stands on the seaside cities wihch are very popular for tourists..

    Maybe in the world its like that too,,look at Monte carlo or Rome it seems they should be on a warm region
     
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  23. dandaman

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    It doesn't necessarily(Spelling) need to be in a warm region. Most of Germany,Austria and Switzerland is only clay(except indoors).

    One thing i know is, that you cannot have clay courts in Windy regions because all the clay will get blown away(Well thats the reason i was told why South Africa doesn't have any clay). And you need to put a lot of work into keep a clay court in a good condition
     
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  24. coloskier

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    Maybe true in NY, but everywhere else in the USA 90% of the hard courts are outdoors.
     
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  25. ESP#1

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    Well maybe i shouldnt complain, I have access to indoor green clay as well as indoor hard courts, it seems to be better than most people on these boards,

    but back to the question why dont we have red clay in the states?
     
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  26. egn

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    Well isn't that tournament in Houston red clay?
     
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  27. ESP#1

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    It used to be green, did they change it? So a red clay court spotted in the U.S. Any others?
     
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  28. DNShade

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    There are red clay courts around. Just have to look. Even red clay courts in SoCal if you look. Sherwood Country CLub near Westlake has red clay and grass:
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    There is even a red clay court right in the TW area - Shell Beach, CA overlooking the ocean (although the last time I was there it looked like they had added in some grey clay into the red....)

    There are red clay in Ventura CA and other areas. Lots of green/grey all over CA too.
     
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  29. dandaman

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    Shoes actually last a lot longer on clay. They just look a lot dirtier.
     
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  30. bluetrain4

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    There are a few clubs/resorts that have red clay. I can't tell you which ones off the top of my head, but I know I've seen them in Tennis Magazine travel section.
     
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  31. Leublu tennis

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    Beautiful resort. I'd go there just for the courts.
     
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  32. Leublu tennis

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    I also live in the Bay Area and, even at private clubs, its all hard courts.
     
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    Here ya go!

    http://www.buffaloracquetclub.net/
     
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  35. beneszilo

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    Why would it ruin your shoes? Hard courts ruin your shoes.
     
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  36. bumfluff

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    I have Clay Courts just along the road from me and I live in Scotland :)
     
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  37. beneszilo

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    In Hungary 95% of courts are clay.
     
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  38. Blade0324

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    I'm in Colorado and while most courts are hard we also have a good amount of green clay around and I am fortunate to have a club only 3 miles from my house that has 2 red clay courts. No one ever plays on them at that club either. I'm not a member so I can't go anytime I wany but I take lessons from their pro and we always hit on the clay at my request. There is def. a good bit more maint. on those so I suspect that has a lot to do with the lack of clay.
     
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  39. ESP#1

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    Great feedback guys keep it up,

    those of you who have played on the red and green clay, which one do you prefer and why?

    thanks guys
     
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  40. Raiha

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    i live in ga and all the dirt here is like 60% red clay so its not like we don't have the resources. i guess people just prefer the grey stuff.
     
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    Beautiful picture DNshade. I wonder what it costs to join there!
     
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  42. penang

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    I like Red Clay a lot. After a game I look like I did a great workout. Dirt on shoes, socks and I feel good. I have to learn to dive in the future but green is like running on sands. I think both really help improve my game where I learn to be more patience. And shoes last longer than playing on Hard Courts.
     
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  43. Underhand

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    Red clay is a commie thing.
     
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  44. ESP#1

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    Why cause its red?:)
     
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    Some of the ritzy country clubs here in the East Bay area used to have red clay courts years ago, but I hear that their members complained about their white clothes and shoes getting stained, so they replaced em all with hardcourts, instead of simply switching to Har-Tru!
    Oh well. A big reason I hope to retire to Hilton Head, S.C. in the future is because of all the (Har-Tru) clay courts there, which will be easy on my knees, ankles and feet.
     
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  46. Hankenstein

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    Same here in Sweden. 95 % of the clubs (or maybe more..) use clay as outdoor surface. This is simply because it´s so dmna expensive to lay (?) an hardcourt. I have heard it´s 3 times the cost to do a hardcourt instead of a claycourt here in Sweden.
     
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    Interesting - possibly something to do with needing to avoid it cracking in winter if the undersoil freezes (or to stop it from freezing, for the same reason)?

    Anyhow, clay court maintenance is manual work and quite frequent, you have to sweep it after every hour's session, and you also have to water it regularly (as in several times each day) to stop the clay from drying up and becoming fine dust/sand (on which you get no traction). If local labour is cheap and plentiful, then it's a viable proposition - and most large clubs in places like Spain and Portugal (and I daresay France and most of Europe) are outside towns rather than in the town centre, so there are plenty of retired farmers that do the maintenance to supplement their pensions.

    The flip side of high maintenance is the high level of tennis achieved by players who were brought up on clay. Technique, consistency, placement, patience, shots.
     
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  48. ESP#1

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    I'm interested in building a red clay facility stateside, people seem to really enjoy the clay, there seems to be a big enough market, not to make a fortune but just to be able to live and enjoy tennis
     
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  49. mary fierce

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    Who needs red clay? I play almost exclusively on Har-Tru and find no meaningful difference between it and red clay, except that the Har-Tru doesn't ruin your clothes.
     
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  50. NandoMania

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    Because red clay is a dirty mess.
     
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