Why don't Wilson make a 95 version of blx90 or k90 ?

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  1. namui

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    I mean the one that has the same design (flat thin beam) and plays almost the same as the blx90 or k90, but with a larger hitting area of a 95 hoop.

    They can call the blx95 or k95 another line of design, and really make a REAL 95 version of those 90 frames, can't they?

    Just curious.
     
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    Luckily for us Wilson don't make the best racquets anymore.
     
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  3. xFullCourtTenniSx

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    Can't really get the same performance with a 95 square inch head. But I do like the thin box beam idea.
     
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  4. Keifers

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    That would be a BLX version of the old Pro Staff 6.0 95 -- not a bad idea.

    Even better: a Pro Staff 6.0 90 -- with the original 80 graphite/20 kevlar composition and thin, box beam. In other words, a 90" version of the classic PS 85. That's the one many of us have been waiting for!!
     
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  5. BreakPoint

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    Why don't Wilson make a 95 version of blx90 or k90 ?

    Because Wilson would sell so many of them that their factory in China would have to crank out so many so quickly that it would blow up. :lol: LOL

    It is strange that Wilson never made another version of the venerable PS 6.0 95 after the HPS 6.0 95 Tour. A lot of people out there still LOVE the PS 6.0 95. If they brought it back, they would sell a ton of them. I suspect some pros on the tour are still using them under various paintjobs.
     
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    This is the kind of question that a lot of people that like the N/K/BLX90 but can't stand the demanding-ness wonder.

    It's hard to know Wilson's true reasoning for this.

    Can we look at the difference between Radical Midplus and Oversize as a kind of baseline for comparison?
     
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  7. willdog123

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    ^^^^^^^^Absolutley AGREE
     
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    What about the fact that kids/teens wont but them because to them everything needs to have this one piece of technology or they dont buy it
     
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    Yeah, but the PS. 6.0 95 was a 20mm box beam and not the 17mm box beam of the PS 85 or Tour 90. It is interesting that Wilson did have a Largehead (110) Pro Staff with a 17mm box beam.

    I agree that Wilson would sell a lot a 95sq.in 17mmm box beam frame.
     
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  10. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Hey BP!

    Why don't we petition Tennis Warehouse/Wilson to produce another run of the HPS 6.0 95 Tour, or EVEN BETTER: a NEW BLX 95 with a 17 mm box beam and 80/20 braided Graphite/Kevlar construction?

    BHBH
     
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    Because Wilson is catering to a specific demographic of the tennis community. Wilson's high end racquets are designed to be attractive to the players with classic strokes and all-court games, a market most racquet companies neglect. Wilson is far behind other companies in terms of tweener racquets (behind Head and considerably behind Prince and Babolat). This is pretty much their ace in the hole. They wouldn't sacrifice their domination of the demographic who prefers player's racquets to sell a few more racquets to those who prefer racquets designed for modern techniques.
     
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  12. BreakPoint

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    Most racquets don't really have any real new technology in them anyway. It's mostly just all marketing. So Wilson can bring back the PS 6.0 95, give it a new paintjob, and market it as having the latest and greatest technology (even though it's really the same old racquet), and the kids will eat it up. :)
     
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  13. BreakPoint

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    I think they would sell a lot of 20mm PS 6.0 95 frames as well, because they did before. Besides, most of the younger players today are used to playing with slightly wider frames so a 20mm would be perfect for them and what they are already used to. A 17mm frame may freak them out. :)

    The PS 6.0 95 was one of the best racquets ever made. On some days, I wish I'd never switched.
     
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  14. BreakPoint

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    Hey BHBH,

    Interesting idea, but that would require a whole new mold and with the way they make the new racquets today, I'm not sure Wilson could make a 17mm 95 sq. in. frame without substantial new engineering and/or new technologies (like what the new Donnay has done).

    Another run of the HPS 6.0 95 Tour would be great, too! Or how about a run of the "Asian" PS 6.0 85 with the PS 6.1 Classic paintjob on it (like an "Asian" Edberg custom frame) which they used to sell in Japan (maybe they still do?). I think that would be pretty awesome! :)
     
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  15. Slazenger07

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    Just curious BreakPoint, what stick do you play with?
     
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  16. BreakPoint

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    Mostly the Asian K90.
     
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  17. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Great ideas. Would it be reasonable to contact Chris at TW and get a thread going to drum up interest (a la the thread asking for a 'run' of the Prince Graphite 100 Longbodies from a few years back)?

    BTW, what has Donnay done that's new along these lines?

    BHBH
     
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  18. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Maybe we should also contact Wilson directly? BHBH
     
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    I'm currently getting rid of some old racquets, selling a PS 85 and a Pro Staff Classic 6.1, but can't bring myself to put up my original Pro Staff 95 up for sale. The paint is totally worn but the thing still hits like a dream. Always fun to go back to, so yes, I think it could really sell.
     
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    What about something totally new, yet up the middle? I love the box beam on the 90 and think perhaps this particular design improves twist weight and stability by making the frame wider than competing designs. But on the 95, I think this makes the frame feel bigger than it need be. Plus, I'd like a bit more SW and more stiffness in the upper hoop than the original PS 6.0 95, along with a slightly more dense string pattern.

    What about this?
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    93", 19mm box beam (keep the PS shape)
    12.3 oz strung, 330, 9pts HL (I'd still add a little lead to increase SW, but this would provide broader appeal)
    16x20 pattern

    I know spec-wise this looks like a Prince Diablo Mid, but that racket feels nothing like a box beam prostaff.
     
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  21. xFullCourtTenniSx

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    Isn't that pretty much just a K90??? Only the K90 is a tad bit stiffer and slower and has "Karophite Black" instead of graphite. In terms of specs, I guess the BLX90 is closer than the K90, but in terms of feel, the K90 is so far ahead that I don't even consider the BLX90 to be in contention for anything regarding feel. It's not even worth grading the view in my opinion until they create a new grade that's 10 levels below a "F".

    Actually, that'd be worse... BLX sucks. Remake the ProStaff Tour 95, the nSix.One 95, and/or the [K]Six.One 95 then paint it over, but NOT the BLX. The feel is so dead that you might as well play with a 100 year old racket. I don't care if they paint it over and claim it has new technology, just so long as it's not made with the same cheap crap BLX is made of. What truly matters is not the ugly or beautiful paintjob on top, but the materials and construction below.

    I should slap the f*** out of you for even suggesting that 16x20 string pattern! Just pick up the 18x20 version from Europe or something! Some of us need every bit of help in producing spin to keep the competition back!

    I am somewhat interested in the 93 square inch head. Kind of reminds me of the Wilson ROK. 17 mm or 19 mm box beam both sound good to me. The 95 size is kind of overdone. 93 is a nice number, but the Blade line of rackets is already running that in the tour version. The Head Prestige line also uses it, but we all know that it's really a 89.5. Just have Wilson say it's a 85 and have it be a 93 in actuality, like they did with the KPS88. lol

    Or maybe they should say it's 92 or 95 square inches when it's really 93.
     
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    Bcos they are stupid and they don't listen to their customers.
     
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  23. sargeinaz

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    I always wonder this. I wish wilson would just make a modern PS95. I know I would buy one.
     
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    not really, i'm in my early teens and will play with anything that i find comfortable :D
     
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    Nobody I know who plays buys racquets based on their technologies, and I'm a junior.
     
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  26. vsbabolat

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    Don't tell you me you forgot all about the Wilson Pro Staff Largehead. It was 110 with 17mm beam width and just graphite and kevlar. If they can make that they can make a 17mm beam width with a 95sq. in head size easy.
     
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  27. BreakPoint

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    Well, first of all, that Largehead's beam width looks more like 20mm than 17mm to me in those pics. Secondly, just because they made other frames with 17mm doesn't mean they don't still have to re-engineer a frame from 20mm to 17mm. When you change the beam width, it's not just the beam width that needs to be changed. Other parts of the frame need to be changed as well to compensate for the thinner beam to make sure the frame has the proper playing characteristics, the right strength and stiffness, and maintains structural integrity. Just like a convertible version of a car is not just the same car with the roof cut off. Lots of other changes are required. Wilson would also need to create a new mold for a thinner racquet.
     
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  28. cork_screw

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    I feel like you think the 95 would be the answer to all your hopes for a holy grain racquet. I don't think it would be a significant improvement. Comparing the Pro Staff 6.0 85 to the 6.0 95, most people actually prefer the 85 with all the similar specs but the headsize. Just that it's 95 as opposed to 90 isn't going to make it a thunderstick sent from God. If you really want to hit with a flat beam that's stiff and has the Pro Staff lineage within, just go back in time and try a PS 6.0 95 or search on the bay. That's a good stick but I don't think you can beat the focus and the impact that the 85 brings. The 90 is probably the best compromise to what is the 85 and the 95. I'm sure if they came out with that and they phased out the 90 people would be crying for the 90 like they are the 85 when it went discontinued and the other half would just be asking for a 98 version. The holy grain is within your technique, not so much the racquet.
     
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  29. Xenakis

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    I'll chip in a say I wish they made a box beam 95 too. I like the 90 a lot but a slightly larger headsize would be great, especially for 2hbh players (found that to be the most difficult stroke with the 90, not entirely sure why though).

    Perhaps Wilson aren't that interested in making money.
     
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    i know for a fact that id buy a 95in 17mm box beam wilson and im a teenager. there are alot of teens in the ******* that are very much gearheads and i deff think the idea would sell. it would be perfect, id finally stop switching between my babolat ps ltd and my kps88 then lol
     
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    Pro Supex Nano Energy. My search for a 95 'Fed' lead me here. Almost identical feel and play. Just more forgiving.

    www.prosupex.com/rackets_tennis.html

    And before you dismiss Pro Supex, their rackets are better than almost anyone else's frames. They just don't pay players $1M a year to play with a frame that is painted to look like the frame that a company sells to the public. So the frames are about 1/2 price for a great or better racket.

    Sadly, most people are sooooooo brand-conscious that even if they could beat everyone in town with an unknown frame, they'd rather look good - losing - holding what 'superstar X' "plays" with.

    Pro Supex just added a couple new sticks, too; "Tour Extreme" is one. Looks like a better version of the Head Speed series. The rackets are great.

    Address your e mail to 'Jong' if you inquire.
     
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    Don't forget that the hps 90 did have a 95 sq in brother. Even though it is not the same as make a flat beam version of the hps 90 into a 95 head size it is the same concept: it is Making another 95 headsize that is brother to the "90" racquet. I remeber the hps95 not doing as well as the hps 6.1 95 so it was fitting that Wilson just scraped making a larger headsize brother for the tour models.


    Wilson has changed the tour models quite a bit. From the ps85 they changed the mold completely to make the hps and n90. But they went back to the ps85 mold and "federer's actual mold" with the k90 and blx90. I think they have the ability to do this because they have a very good endorsement of the "flagship" racquet. With out good endorsement to this 95 sq in flat beam racquet I don't think it is cost worthy to design the frame.

    Another question might be: would a 95 sq in racquet play better looking and weighing like the blx/k 90 or the kps 88?
     
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    I don't really hope that the 95 will be a superior 90, just an alternative in a similar way as the similarity between and 85 and 95.

    I currently use both k90 and blx95. So I understand that with different designs, blx95 offers larger and more uniform live hitting area on the string bed than the k90. But the trade off is the lack of the characteristics of the PS heritage. I think the 95 version of the blx90 (or even a 98 and 100, if Wilson can make it properly), to most "prostaff" users, will be a more preferred alternative to the blx95.
     
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    Nobody on this board could care less what a pro uses. I'm the only person in my city with a head, I don't care. Tons of people on here use the PB10 mid and C10 Pro, which no pros use.
     
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    Hmm. I think on first glance they are just directly copying the look / shape of other brands. I see a Wilson 6.1 there. A couple of nadal babolats and of course Prince with the double bridge and others. Seems more like knock offs than a legit line of frames. My 2cents worth
     
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    I use the HPS Tour 95 6.0.. great racket. I was actually wondering the same thing too but looking around at all the people playing tennis, it wouldn't be such a money making machine as one would think. most people i see use HEAD rackets or babolats. the prostaff line is sadly dwindling away in users.
     
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    I agree with that fully. I spent the last week both playing at and watching the Stanley Park Open which is a HUGE tournament here in Vancouver in terms of entrants and both Babolat and Head reign supreme - outnumbering Wilson by a wide margin. Two years ago at the same tourney all you would see is Wilson K Factors galore. I generally only saw BLX frames played by juniors who were no doubt sponsored.
     
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  38. vsbabolat

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    I friend who used the Pro Staff Largehead and it looked the same beam width to me as the Pro Staff Midsize. I never said that a new mold was not needed. Of course a new mold and a new layup is needed. But not new tech and not anything that Wilson could not do accomplish with a graphite and Kevlar composite. But that is not in style these days. Even a 19mm beam width I think would be acceptable if for some reason a 17mm cant work.
     
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    Personally, I don't even notice the beam width difference when I play with a PS 6.0 95 versus when I play with a K90. A 20mm beam works fine for me, as does a 17mm beam. :)
     
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  40. Don't Let It Bounce

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    It's hard to imagine an updated PS95 that would not cannibalize the sales of the Six One line. The new Donnay line includes several 94 sq in frames with 15 mm beams, but I can't tell if they are box beams and don't know if they feel anything like a Wilson. I think the Pro Supex neo-PS95 is, and there was a thread not long ago that sang its praises.

    Slightly off-topic, but if memory serves, the third size for that line was a 125 with what appeared to be support struts built into the throat area. Did those also have 17 mm beams?
     
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    One thing that should be noted about the 6.0 95 is its softer-flex upper hoop. This is not necessarily a flaw (in play, you can actually use it to your advantage), but it is there.

    No such issue with the Dunlop AG and 4D 200s, which imo is a big factor in their serving prowess (huge).

    Then again, no current racquet I know has that delicious feel of the 80 graphite/20 kevlar Pro Staffs (before the HyperCarbon and the nCode and the K Factor and the BLX). That original composition is one of the all-time greats imo.
     
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  43. BounceHitBounceHit

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    I certainly agree the K90 has a more 'crisp' feel. Closer to the PS 85 for sure. BHBH
     
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    Who could forget such a classic! :) BHBH
     
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    So, are we starting that petition? ;) BHBH
     
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    Count me in if we do!
     
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    Change that to a PS 6.0 92 and I'd buy 10 on the first day of sales.
     
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    ^^^^^^^^ +1
     
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    K95- Sure count me in for two.
     
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