Why Is The Clay Warrior So Hard To Beat

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    why is the clay warrior so hard to beat?

    what exactly is it that he brings to the competitive arena that makes him so unique?

    what are his greatest competitive advantages? also talk about his greatest liabilities on the court.

    he has the best winning percentage in the sport. he has a winning record against 100% of the top 30 players.


    you have the floor.

    have at it and have fun.
     
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  2. 90's Clay

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    Im not sure Nadal has any severe liabilities other than poor scheduling over the years.

    Nadal is best the modern era because he combines talent/ability/competitiveness/mental toughness/focus/intelligence . Most guys you'll 2 or 3 of the 5. But not ALL of them.
     
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    what impresses me is that so many of the great athletes from other sports are talking about him.

    here in America a lot of the NBA players have become huge fans of the clay warrior.

    the best football players of Europe are fascinated with him.

    and so on. even tiger woods talks about nadal.


    I think they all sense that there is something very special about him. he is one of kind athlete.
     
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    on the men's side at least. but i put sampras above him in terms of skill, though not talent. :wink:
     
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    Rafa is probably one of the quickest and greatest shotmakers of all time. Agassi said it best:

    http://www.asapsports.com/show_interview.php?id=39
     
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    damn. Agassi knows his stuff.
     
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    i still think pete had the best running forehand of all time. even better than nadal.
     
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    Because he will just do anything to win

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    Why is Rafael Nadal so hard to beat? Because he is really, really, really, really good. Next topic, please.
     
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    the guy is clutch. I think he is better than other players at performing under pressure
     
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    What's he doing... having a bowel movement?
     
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    summoning the gods of victory.
     
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    he put himself in one hell of a funk in 2011 but now it is all behind him.

    he is playing like a new man at the moment. there appears to be a clear vision as to what he wants to do.

    he is playing with more confidence and a better game. he is forcing others to go for broke against him.
     
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    Because he is a tennis genius. He dissects the court like no other. He knows the geometry of the court and he knows how to hit five shots earlier to get his opponent in a vulnerable position later, when he goes for the kill.

    The first couple of times my sister and I saw him play we were in awe. At the end of the match she looked at me and said "That man needs to be studied."

    He does. He embodies so much more than mere tennis skills. He shows us how much we should care about our life's purpose.

    I am still trying to learn how to rise to such a level of excellence.


    We laughed, but she was right.
     
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    win his matches?:-|
     
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    that is a great post.


    he is finally proceeding with a sense of purpose. far more clear purpose than in the past.


    now only if he can stay healthy.
     
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    Best forehand in the game right now. Simply doesn't miss when it counts. Nadal gets to everything and does something with his shots. Never say die attitude. His knees are good at the moment. Serve is very hard to attack even though it isn't powerful. Well-placed and can crack it up the T on the ad side on key points. Slice backhand has improved enormously and knows when to come in and end the point. All in all, he's too good right now unfortunately.
     
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    he has managed to put in some hard yards as of late to improve the serve and the backhand. it is paying off.

    that is absolutely huge for him. he has to be able to rely on that backhand so he can try to control the center of the court better.

    and when his backhand is working well, it also helps his return off that wing.

    I don't think he is serving as hard as he can because of the shoulder issues in the past. he can obviously hit it in 135 mph range but there is no need to risk injury.

    it has enough spin and he can move it around the box a little better. just a touch better anyway.
     
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    He has an aura on clay court.
     
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    His shots rarely miss due to all the topspin he uses that gives the edge over his opponent. It basically takes the net out of the equation.
     
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    heavy topspin does provide sky high margins.

    you can blast balls as high as 5-8-10 feet over the net and still bring them in.
     
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    There must be something wrong with this forum or it' moderators when some crack addict like DeathMaster can make multiple threads stroking Nadal's ****.

    This is why so many good posters have left this website. It's stock full of these idiots.
     
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    Because he is "The Ultimate Cheating Machine".
    He gets extremely and ridiculously easy draws and officials like Pascal Maria on his side. That is why.
     
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  25. Jay_The_Nomad

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    Speed of the serve has very little to do with amount of effort put in.

    Nadal is actually hitting the ball very hard on both first and second serves. It's just that he is putting that racquet head speed into ball rotations for strategic purposes.

    His go to serve is the spinny junky serve that moves around making it hard to attack and therefore producing poor returns and consequently giving him time to run around the return to dominate the point with the forehand.

    But we have seen him crank up the speed for a freebie when he needs to.
     
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    I don't know if you noticed, but when Nadal is starts dominating a rallye, he nearly never lose the point, that's very rare.

    All his opponent know when they are in a defensive position against Nadal they will lose the point 99% of the time.

    I'm always impressed by the quality of his overheads, that's really impressive = best footwork.

    Will power = the best in the history.

    Top spin forehand = the best in the history.

    Defense = the best in the history even if Djokovic can be incredible too in defense.
     
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    Partly because of his mental strenght, but imo also because of his game. He hits semi-aggressive, heavy topspin balls EVERY shot. No one has a rally ball that heavy. And furthermore he NEVER hits something out, he never misses. He keeps on playing his safe but effective ground game, and only goes for winners on short balls and when playing a passing shot and he NEVER misses the court
     
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    Pretty much. When Nadal goes into Clubber Lang mode in rallies, it's a wrap.
     
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    Prime Fed was impossible to beat also. Nobody from his generation came close.

    It's evolution that beat Fed and age.
     
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    you cant play the age card if you are out there competing and winning slams. roger won a slam last year.

    he beat both nole and murray on grass last year at Wimbledon.
     
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    1) He's a great tennis player and a great athlete, with superior fitness compared to most of the competition;

    2) His focus and desire to win have become so acute and so much more intense than anyone else that it has transcended into pure savagery. Look at his expression when he plays - that's not competitiveness, that's pure rage he's expressing. When he hits a forehand, he has the same savage rage on his face that a Neanderthal must have had 100,000 years ago as he swung a club down in a killing blow on a cro magnon. No one else wants to win as much as Nadal.

    3) He uses gamesmanship and cheats. It is undisputed that he is coached by his uncle during matches. In addition to looking like a near-berserk Neanderthal when he plays, he grunts like a primative caveman, too, to throw off his opponent. He also takes injury timeouts whenever he is losing to throw the momentum of match. He seems to have debilitating injuries that, within a very quick period of time, are resolved, leading to the conclusion that a) He was faking the extent of the injury, in part or in whole, potentially to circumvent further drug testing; and/or b) he's using PEDs to help him recover faster.


    I know that Nadal fans will deny #2 and especially #3. I think a lot the of the Nadal fans on this board are so obsessed with their hero that if comparable evidence of PED use ever came out to what Lance Armstrong experienced, that half of his fans would continue to deny it even if the man himself admitted to the accusations.
     
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    Agreed. Djokovic in finals and semi finals of slams are very easy draws. I wish Nadal actually faced good players.
     
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    From a game-theoretic point of view, he has found the winning strategy on clay.
     
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    :lol: game, set, match :lol:
     
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    Djokovic has a 50% win rate in finals of majors. Thats lousy. Federer has won 11 more majors and lost just 1 more final than djokovic.
     
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    So much butthurt bs in this post that it's not even funny. Frankly, you're full of crap.

    Oh, and what's your usual username on here since you're fooling no one with this multiple account?
     
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    LMAO! Epic Poast! Welcome aboard. I see you have some personality and twisted humor....
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    1) Please advise where I'm wrong - everything I said is accurate. Did you see that I acknowledged that he is both a truly great tennis player and truly great athlete? I'm not one of the blindly biased fanbois who refuse to acknowledge talent in anyone other than his favorite player and who clog up this site with the unending, asinine GOAT debates. Better than half the time he is playing in a tournament match, Nadal just plain looks angrier than any other athlete any fan of the sport has ever seen in tennis and probably in any other sport, for that matter. Have you ever actually seen one of his matches?

    2) Nice retort. In your small, highly biased world, you find it impossible to believe that anyone but a tiny handful of people could dislike the subject of your mancrush or find that he has a number of negative characteristics one could very easily criticize, so you have to claim that I must be some hated foe who created multiple accounts to bolster his "side's" arguments? That is a laughable contention. I've never created a dual account on any message board in my life and had never visited this one before this summer, when I started poking around on the Stringing Machines message board seeking info for buying a stringer, and then discovered the other forums.

    3) You proved me right when I said that some of the Nadal fans** here, in the face of criticism of their beloved hero, would act with so much bias that they would lose sight of reason. Of course having posted over 12,000 times in under 2 1/2 years here suggests a lack of real-world perspective, in and of itself.

    That's a pretty sad life you're living. Do you ever actually get out onto a real tennis court or do you just sit inside all day, petting your Nadal figurine, mumbling "Rafa! You're so fierce and strong! Grunt and groan for me! UUUUNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH! You handsome, cheeky devil!"


    ** I don't mean to suggest that only Nadal fans act like silly fanbois here - Federer is one of my favorite players and even some of his fans on this site act in a very similarly ultra-biased way that demonstrates the origins of the word "fan." From my limited familiarity with the site, it seems to me that out of all of those babbling about GOATs, etc... the Nadal fans seem to be the loudest and most unreasonable, but there seem to be plenty of Federer, Murray, Djokovic, etc... cuckoos here too. They must have been soccer fans before they got into tennis.
     
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  40. I probably play more often than you, and I can say your posts are silly.
     
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  41. Backspin1183

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    Because he's in a weak era. The only real rivals he's had are Roger Federer, Novak Djokovic, Andy Murray, and others like Juan Martin Del Potro.

    He'd have struggled big time against real champs of the past like Sampras, Borg, McEnroe, Lendl, Laver, etc.
     
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    He's mastered the topspin to the point that the only way he's going to be beaten if his body breaks down or somehow a new comer comes on the scene that counters his play with some dynamic form of all court tennis with superior volleying skills that will end the point. Otherwise, there is no stopping him.
     
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    Yeah because all of those guys played in the same exact era within 5 years of each others' prime right? Nadal is playing with the GOAT, another tier 2 great, and another multi-slam winner (who many have said would've won more slams in other eras). Djokovic will most likely end his career on the level of or greater than McEnroe and Lendl. Do you understand how crazy that is? The THIRD best player of this era will end up higher on the all-time list than Johnny Mac and Ivan Lendl. Weak era my ***.
     
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    He's so dominant because he really doesn't have a weakness. Everything that people used to attack, he fixed.

    His serve was an issue. Now it's one of the most dependable and effective serves on tour.
    His backhand was often attacked. It's now solid as a rock and extremely versatile too, with his slice.
    His excessive spin was neutralized by tall guys and big hitters. He added a new dimension to his game where can rip shots flat and attack as well as anyone.
    People used to criticize him for playing just at the baseline. He still mostly does that, but now he has a wonderful net game in his arsenal.
     
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    Strongly disagree. I don't think Nadal would have fared well against the likes of Laver, McEnroe, Borg, Lendl, Sampras. Nadal has only been dominant against Federer, Djokovic and Murray type of champions. :evil:
     
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    he still has a few weaknesses.
     
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    Care to elaborate?
     
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    Federer is better than every single player you mentioned. Nadal has owned him. I don't see what is so hard to understand here. He has played tremendously in a tougher era.
     
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    Having a 20-10 record overall and an 8-7 record other than clay against someone does not equal to "owning someone". Roger Federer owned Roddick, example. But he's on the up and up and can be GOAT if he surpasses slam record.
     
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    It's 21-10. And he has also beaten Federer at every grand slam they've played at since 2007. Now whenever they play it's almost a foregone conclusion. If that's not ownage, it's damn near close.
     
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