Why Nadal has never had GS semifinal streak like Djokovic?

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  1. TMF

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    Thank you.

    Insecure threads are coming from Nadal fans too, not just Nole fan like the 5555.

    People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
     
  2. President

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    You think USO and AO are better for Nadal's game than Rome, MC, or Barcelona?
     
  3. TMF

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    Federer semifinals streak is one of the greatest of all time

    Federer's streak belongs in the same feat with these legends......

    • Joe DiMaggio's 56-game hitting streak in 1941 for the New York Yankees. Pete Rose's 44 games is second on the all-time list.
    • Edwin Moses' 107 consecutive victories in 400-meter intermediate hurdles finals. The American went 9 years, 9 months and 9 days without a loss before falling to Danny Harris in 1987.
    • Cael Sanderson's 159-0 wrestling career at Iowa State. He remains the only undefeated wrestler in college history, winning three NCAA titles at 184 pounds and one at 197.
    • The Edmonton Oilers' Wayne Gretzky's streak of scoring at least a goal or an assist in 51 straight games in 1983-84.
    • Orel Hershiser's run of 59 consecutive scoreless innings in 1988 for the Los Angeles Dodgers.
    • Russia's Greco-Roman super heavyweight wrestler Alexander Karelin went 13 years without losing a match -- a full decade without surrendering a point -- before losing to Rulon Gardner at the Sydney Olympics.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/tennis/usopen09/columns/story?columnist=garber_greg&id=4458857
     
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    Maybe it was just a post made for fun to ruffle some feathers in the Djokovik camp.
     
  5. helterskelter

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    I can accept 55/45 in Nadal's favor, but that's a long way from saying it's basically his to win or lose, which is what I thought you were saying in the past. I personally would say 55/45 in Djokovic's favor, but that's really only a slight disagreement.
     
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    I'm not the guy you posed this question to, but my own thoughts are that, while the USO and AO are obviously not on courts, or in conditions, that suit Nadal's game as well as Rome, Barcelona, or (especially) Monte Carlo, they might be more favorable to him than Madrid, because of the altitude there. I know you didn't mention Madrid, but I thought I'd bring it up anyway.

    I would add that the courts at the USO and the AO may be equally favorable to him, but the conditions during the USO final are more favorable than does during the AO final, because the AO final is at night.
     
  7. MichaelNadal

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    Since 2011? Absolutely. He can barely beat Ferrer in Rome these days.
     
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    BINGO! When Rafa went out after Wimbledon last year and the weeks became months without much information from the Rafa camp, there must have been a collective sigh of relief from both the Federer and Djokovic camps.

    On one hand, Rafa's absence virtually guaranteed the Fed fanatics the permanence of Fed's slam record, because as much as many of them have built up Djokovic (about 1 dozen threads come up daily about how much better / faster / consistent / virtuous / handsome Djokovic is than Nadal, most of them created from insecure Fed supporters), they ultimately know that Djokovic doesn't have it in him to break Fed's record even if Rafa were absent.

    On the other hand, the Djokovic supporters saw Rafa's permanent absence as a blessing, opening the doors for their boy to plunder through the tennis courts of the world without almost any opposition (Murray is still weaker, and they consider Fed as a washed out former glory), giving Djokovic free reign to win Slam titles outside the Australian Open, and certainly allowing him to achieve he Career Slam by taking the French Open, a task uncertain at best with Nadal in the mix.

    So, like two very ugly cold fronts coming together to form the perfect storm of Nadal hate, this unholy alliance of two fan bases whose only thing is common is dislike and fear of Nadal was formed.

    The return of Nadal, and his amazing achievements, must have been a hard way to wake up from the dream. Almost like waking up to a real life nightmare! And thus, the coping mechanisms start coming up again in full throttle (of which this thread is one).

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    Basically because of injuries.
     
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    Yep, that is a great consistency stat. And of actually winning something.
     
  11. MichaelNadal

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    I like that better lol.

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  12. cork_screw

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    I think if you asked rafa which is more significant, how many GS titles you own, vs a streak of semis I think you could answer that question yourself. Don't know why people keep track of these things, but I guess someone in the world really cares about this stuff.

    If you want to know why, then it's pretty obvious. Not all, but there are a good chunk of match loses where he has cited injury. He's always had problems with his knees, I think that holds him back just a bit, but I don't think it's anything that is big enough to make it a glaring point to bring up unless youre obsessed with how many times he has streaked a gs semi.
     
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    I'll answer the thread question with another question...why has Nadal won over twice as many slams then Novak? Isn't that what matters most....nobody is gonna remember slam semi finalist silly
     
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    And here I thought you were a Federer fanboy. I guess some days you learn things...
     
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    I always find it funny when Nadal fans immediately bring up the fact that Nadal has won more slams than Djokovic even though the question is about overall consistency rather than overall titles. However instead of giving Djokovic any credit[heaven forbid] they basically say things like "my guy's better than your guy" straight away. As predictable as night following day.
     
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    Will you marry me? Lol.
     
  17. powerangle

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    Djokovic is more consistent in beating the lower-ranked players (players he should be beating) while Nadal is more opportunistic and gets the entire job done when he has the chance. Nadal is a greater big-time player when all the chips are down. And therefore rightly so Nadal is greater.

    Of course Fed was great in both arenas (consistency and winning the slams) during his prime.
     
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    Pretty much. Consistency is an "interesting" stat at best, but it's all about who owns the trophy at the very end.
     
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    If you are in support for open relationships, this is a major red flag for me. Good thing we signed a prenuptial agreement. :)
     
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    HAHAHA. I thought you would never ask, Clarky. ;)
     
  21. Crose

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    5555, what is the point of you posting in this forum if all you're going to do is start troll threads and re-use the same cheesy lines over and over again?
     
  22. The_Order

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    So much ownage.

    Should 2014 be similar to 2013 in terms of Nadal's success who knows what they'll do. One thing is for sure, it'll drive them all nuts.

    Ah well, even more reason to support Rafa for 2014!
     
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    Mainly because Nadal isn't a big contender on grass anymore
     
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    The only streak he can have is serve to the backhand.
    Everything else is inconsistent.


    In one hand, ********* saw the 2011 ownage of Nadal by Djoker as a fluke, temporary hiccup by the mastermind who can overcome anything if he tried hard enough. From throttling up the rpm on his spin to reading toni's pantomime from afar.


    On the other hand, Djoker proves to be a pain in the rear of ********* even in Nadal's best year ever, defeating him in the finals of the tournament he wanted more than anything else.(Or at least his fans wanted more than anything else). That one must have hurt!

    Nadal has never had two good years back to back. So I got news for you: Brace yourself for another ownage.

    Coming soon on TV, stay tuned.
     
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    Nadal fans troll even more than Nole fans with their insecure threads.


     
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    Boy you know a lot for a guy with 9 posts :lol: Hi hater. I'm MN. Part of #TeamRafa ;)
     
  27. Crose

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    My comment was about 5555's troll threads. I never once said that Nadal fan troll threads don't exist.
     
  28. Djokovic2011

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    Just because I've only recently joined the forum doesn't mean i haven't been on here before reading what people have to say. And I'm not a hater either- I respect Nadal's achievements and his 13 slams is certainly one of them.
     
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    Simply because Novak is better and more complete player than Nadal.

    Nadal is a clay court specialist who is not capable of:
    1. Sustaining SF streaks on non clay slams
    2. Sustaining a GS SF worthy form for more than a year/year and a half without taking a long sabbatical or dropping his level significantly.
     
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    Why don't you comment on and criticize them then?
     
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    LOL Omega again owned them. Thank you for this.
     
  32. 1477aces

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    Except nadal didn't have a slam from ao2010 to rg2010. So no. He was slam less in that stretch, just like Borg was in his 8 year stretch. Sampras and Federer held slams throughout their entire stretch, Sampras longer than fed. So Sampras beats out fed for this one.
     
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    And Djokovic is a Hard Court specialist who is not capable of...

    not losing in the Final of the USO to a clay court specialist.

    OOOPS... :oops:
     
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    More like not capable of winning slams outside Australia except for during a 3 month period in 2011.
     
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    LOL very true. It's not Novak's fault those knees still hold damnit. Sneaky Spanish doctors... :)
     
  36. Crose

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    The exact same reason why you'll enter any anti-Djokovic thread to criticize it, but you won't criticize jack **** about a Nadal troll thread like this one.
     
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    If you really mean what you say I feel bad for you, TBH :(. Can't believe that comment. But w/e, lets bet, I m gonna bet 2k but coefficient is going to be decided by 3rd party.
     
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    Your post is off topic. My question was not whether GS semifinal streaks are more important than winning slams but what is the the reason that Nadal has never had semifinal streak like Djokovic.

    Your post is off topic too.

    Your post is off topic as well.

    Your post is off topic too.
     
  39. TheTruth

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    Because like the H2H, they don't give out trophies for GS semifinal streaks?
     
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    While there's something to be said in regards to the consistency of Djokovic's GS semi-finals streak, it doesn't win you championships. I'd take Nadal's lack of a long GS semi-finals streak and 13 GS championships over Djokovic's 14 semi-finals streak and 6 GS championships any day.
     
  41. TheTruth

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    ^^^

    I agree. In the end it's only the majors that count.
     
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    tim henman does :twisted:

    or maybe he does not care for semi finals..seeing as his Wimbledon dream stalled at the sf stage 4 times.
     
  43. 5555

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    Both Djokovic nad Nadal know that and yet Nadal has never had streak like novak. Why?

    Your post is off topic. This thread is not about whether GS semifinal streaks are more important than GS championships but about the reason why Nadal has never had GS semifinal streak like Djokovic.
     
  44. monfed

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    Well Ralph has been super consistent on clay so I think he doesn't have to be consistent elsewhere.
     
  45. TheTruth

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    To each his own. I don't keep up with streaks, since in the end they're broken anyway. Seems futile to me.
     
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    Really? Could have fooled me.

     
  47. TMF

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    Yes you do, and so do tennis fans.
     
  48. Forehand Of Doom

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    Who the heck remembers the SF streaks or number of weeks at #1 of Laver, seriously?
     
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    affirmative. well said.

    at the end of the day history is only concerned with the following:


    1. slams
    2. head to head but only against the greatest rivals
    3. # of years at #1
    4. davis cup wins
    5. singles Olympic glory

    rest is just empty space and useless opinion that means nothing.




    and after all that being said, I really don't give a damn about who is the greatest of all time. I don't think that can be ever calculated.

    you just cant compare across distant eras.

    I am here and now and I am going to enjoy what is placed in front of me.
     
  50. TMF

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    There was no official ranking system during Laver's days and many are open to interpretation. Any fans who follow tennis today are aware of the Fed holds the record at 302 and Sampras 6 years #1. The 23 consecutive semifinals have been mentioned many times, you can't avoided it if you watch tennis.
     

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