Why Safin struggles again?

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  1. Vlad

    Vlad Professional

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    After missing most of the 2003, he had a brilliant run at this year's AO. Then, absolutely no results.. What is happening to him? I mean he lost to Spadea in Miami, who showed nothing against Roddick. Is this lack of confidence? After AO he said he was confident. Certainty lack of fitness is not a factor as well. He always talks about luck and how it is not on his side. I think it is bull and that everyone makes his owned luck. His tiebreak record is really bad this year and he doesn't win any close matches. He seems to be allergic to a good coach and is stuck with his old buddy - Dennis.
    Any ideas what he needs to change to achieve his potential?
     
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  2. Matt H.

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    it's not much of a secret....he's a big time streaky/head case player.
     
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  3. MattNowicki

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    Haha. I loved when people said that Safin was going to "get his act together" after the AO...yeah, right. And Moya might just one day beat Andy Roddick...ha! :D I really hope Safin just hangs it up- something tells me he doesn't wanna be out there anyway.
     
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  4. pound cat

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    The only thing that's separating Safin from Philippousis when he was 24 is about 8 Harley Davidson's. Safin's entourage is a 24 year old coach? a 22 year old girlfriend, and Walt Lander. Sounds like a party about to happen rather than a serious approach to tennis. He won't take advice from anyone and has always said he knows what he's doing except for the odd time he's said he doesn't know what he's doing. Count me in as another person who has no idea what he's doing
     
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  5. cenzo

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    Even when Safin struggles, I love to watch him play. As long as he plays, I'll watch. If he doesn't want to put 100% into tennis all the time, then so be it. It's his career and choice. Nobody has to really understand it. I think we expect too much of people with great talent and want them to perform exceptionally all the time. But we tend to forget that there is much more to a person than just their talent. If they get the chance to share their talents with us, if even for a brief moment, then we are lucky. Safin, like so many great talents of the past and present, have to deal with those elements that make him just like all of us. I like the fact that he is unapologetic about why people don't understand him. But I say a person that doesn't understand Safin is a person that doesn't understand themselves. Everything that people say Safin lacks in his tennis career, we all lack. No one is motivated all the time. No one performs his best all the time. What I think is great about Safin is his honesty about life and who he is. You see it on the court. You hear it in his interviews. To me, he is by far the most interesting to watch. The gift of great talent intertwined with the gift of humanity.
     
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  6. PureCarlosMoyaDrive

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    Like I have said many times, Safin misses a lot of easy balls. Just simple rally balls, approach shots, everything. He just doesn't seem completely focused out there, and completely confident. If he can get that back with more time, he'll still be out there fighting hard. He also needs to get some easier draws (aka not Federer or Roddick first round), so he can go deep again, maybe win a smaller tournament, and get even more confidence.
     
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  7. nippurr

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    Cenzo - Great insight.
     
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  8. Bertchel Banks

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    Well if Agassi can do it, certainly Moya can. Cause we all know he's twice the talent Andre is. Mwahahahahaha. kekekekekeke-e-e-e
     
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  9. C_Urala

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    Cenzo. I agree.

    Maybe, he relies too much on his power. That makes him predictable (ask Santoro). And when ball comes back, he tries to hit even harder and thus loses control ?..

    Anyway, you have to improve to keep your present level. I hope he realizes (in both meanings) it too.
     
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  10. C_Urala

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    pound cat:
    "The only thing that's separating Safin from Philippousis when he was 24 is about 8 Harley Davidson's. "

    I didn't understand. Is it Safin or Philippousis who has 8 bykes?
     
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  11. edge

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    C_, think about it, you can figur it out.
     
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  12. C_Urala

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    If I could I wouldn't ask.
     
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  13. jmckinney

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    I hope he just hangs it up-obviously he is another Philoush!thead. Bad for the game, all power. He doesn't really play tennis, just hit the ball hard and if it comes back, hit it harder. He was just a born loser, no fight, no heart. Tennis does not him.
     
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  14. pound cat

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    Philippousis had a collection of motorcycles during his mid-twenties when his game fell apart for a few years, before he saw the writing on the tennis ball and decided to get serious about the sport again.
     
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  15. C_Urala

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    thanks..
     
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  16. Free_Martha

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    Safin's brilliant run at AO is looking more and more like a fluke.
     
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  17. pound cat

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    Cambridge Dictionary: fluke:something good that has happened that is the result of chance instead of skill or planning: Safin says that you make your own luck. Given that I guess you could call it a fluke.
     
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  18. alfa164164

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    Safin has had some pretty tough draws since the Australian Open.
     
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  19. jmckinney

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    What is a tough draw? Every draw is tough, if Safin was the player he thinks he is, he could beat Federer, Roddick, and co. in the first round as well as the semis. It doesn't matter if he plays them first in the draw or towards the end, he still is going to have to beat those players to win. So I guess you could say Federer has a tough draw because he had to go through Agassi in the semis or Agassi has a tough draw because he plays Federer in the semis. What a load of crap, but a great excuse for Safin for his so-called new dedication this year. He was lucky in the AO. He just needs to bear down or leave tennis so he can just live his party life.
     
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  20. nyu

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    I'm starting to like Jim less and less as I realize that every single one of his posts is an attack on someone's character.
     
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  21. C_Urala

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    I would agree with jmckinney if Safin was loosing easily. In reality, Safin looses but almost always with 6/7, 5/7 or 4/6. With the scores like that it's natural to believe in bad luck etc. Yet, he should improve something in his game. He doesn't have to tell about this something to us, but he has to have something to work on.
    I'm not sure that this something is about concentration or dedication.
    I think it's his tactical predictability.
    While all comentators were saying during AO how wonderful his serve was, I almost always knew where he was going to serve his 2nd serve.
    And other elements were also pretty much repetitive.
    It's great when your game wins, but if your opponent has found his answers, you should ask new questions.

    I hope, he'll overcome.
     
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  22. PureCarlosMoyaDrive

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    I really don't see how it's luck to take out Roddick and Agassi in 5 sets at the Aussie, not to mention a bunch of other big time players in 4 sets as well. Seems more like he was IN THE ZONE for Australia, and he's dropped off since then.
     
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  23. C_Urala

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    Actually, we CAN talk about luck in the match against Agassi. Two tie-breaks, any is commonly considered a lottery. Plus there was a suspicious ace in the second tie-break.
    What we can NOT talk about is the lack of dedication. There's no such thing. I think his perfomance at AO and after it shows that he DOES fight in each match.

    It's sort of a pun:
    "Why Safin struggles again?"
    Because, true to his words, he wants to be No1.

    Whe does he lose? It's another question.

    Funny, isn't it?
     
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  24. pound cat

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    Evidently (theguyfromeussia.com) he has hired a top coach (name unspecified yet) who's a clay court specialist and will meet with him in Estoril. He has always been determined to win RG, and he has the ability & training to become the best clay court player. A good plan for him.
     
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  25. jmckinney

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    nyu

    i guess i just like the players whom you can tell are dedicated to the game. I enjoy the players who are they because they love tennis, not for the money, or the recognition but just because they simply want to be the best. Sure all of them want the money, but there are some players although not near as many as in the past that play hard every time out and that you can tell want to be out there just because it is a game that they love. Take Agassi for example, he loves the game and still wants to be the best or take the classic Edberg-Becker matches or McEnroe-Borg, Lendl-McEnroe, Connors, those guys were out there to win and be the best, not just show up and collect a pay check. In my opinion Safin plays to collect a paycheck, like so many others. I am actually starting to like Roddick because so far he plays because he loves to play and wants to be the best.
     
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  26. Verbal_Kint

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    jmckinney, Why would Safin need another paycheck? Wouldn't he get more/bigger paychecks if he won? Why would he get frustrated to the point of destroying rackets if he didn't care? Why has he made te effort to return after his wrist injury when the money he has already made is enough to rid him of money trouble for the rest of his life?

    My answers to these questions are: because he wants to win and because he wants to play. What are yours?

    Marnix
     
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  27. ucd_ace

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    Safin hasn't been helped out very much with his draws. After the AO, the only sign that he isn't getting his act together is his lost to Bjorkman. In Dubai he opened up against Federer losing 6-7 6-7, met Rodick at Indian Wells 6-7 2-6, and then Spadea in Miami 6-7 7-6 4-6. So, he lost to the number one and number two players in the world and you criticize him this much? There's a reason why they're up there, it's because they're supposedly better than anyone (even though I have Roddick). Spadea had a great run in Miami so you can't give him too much beef for that. This is like Tiger Woods having been in a so-called slump. He's really only played one bad set and that was his second set against Roddick since that match with Bjorkman. This is tennis; anyone can go out there and beat anyone on a given day (well, men's tennis... that's why we talk about it more than the WTA). You have to remember that at the AO we were so suprised that Safin was able to play at such a high level so early on and you're basically using the fact that he was able to for a week to gudge him as having problems. If he had lost early on in the AO this topic wouldn't have been talked about. Agassi hasn't even beat a contended with a top player since the AO and he's your poster boy for consistency (Coria on hard isn't a top player even though he's had a good hard court season so far).
     
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