Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by Heavy Metal Tennis Star, Apr 12, 2007.
hes not calm, hes jsut too fat to do anything. burp burp
I 'm a Nadal fan
I think Federer is a gentleman I cannot hate him unless he is disrespectful toward Nadal
this is how it works for me: I like him when he is to play against young and too ambitious and disrespectful player
if he plays Djokovic I will support him though he needs not my support at all ...I know he will beat him always
I will be Federer supporter too if he plays Roddick or Blake...
SoBad, since you're so confident in your predictions, who do you think is going to beat Fed at wimby this year? Nadal? Now him making the final last year, that was a bit of of luck
omg HMTS ur fanboyism is worse than the ps3 fans. and i bet that if u played against the spinny monkey u would literally "crap bloo" after the a** rape he would give to u
Not just Fed, also great sports teams aswell...
I think when you win so much, you get tired of hearing that champion and want to bash.
Same with people who do not like the New York Yankees or LA Lakers or Dallas Cowboys...etc.
If the wins did not come as often, there would be no bashing, unless it was personal not professional.
I like Fed, great player and a great person, but I like others better.
This is so true. The whole 'weak era' bullsh!t is pretty much the only thing a Fed-hater can come up with to discredit his achievements; and yet you could put him into any other era and suddenly your McEnroes and Connors would be like Roddicks with a slam each at most. FEDERER MAKES THE COMPETITION LOOK WEAK BY DENYING EVERYBODY ELSE THE TITLES, it's not that fcuking complicated. Roddick would have perhaps 4 slam titles if Fed didn't exist.
I remember thinking at the end of 2003, there have now been two years with eight different slam winners. Where is 'the man to beat'? We had JCF at number 1 and everything was wide open, but for me it was a little boring. We had Johannsson and Costa winning slams, people just seemed to be fluking it, we needed a new bonafide 'legend'. Then Federer showed everybody what time it was, and now the whole field has had to raise their game in an attempt to keep up. It's so much better with someone setting the pace, and the quality of tennis that he brings to the tournaments is far more watchable.
i have to disagree, i think it would be more entertaining to see different matches and tournaments/slams winners than the same final and the same result
Well it depends if you actually like tennis or not. For example if you took Federer out of the 2004 US Open, you may have had a Hewitt vs Henman final. Great, Hewitt probably would have won and it might have been a close match. But take a look at the tennis itself. We saw what Federer did to those opponents, he delivered a game that was out of this world, we were so lucky to see that quality of tennis, players like him, and tennis of that standard, are so rare. I can see Henman vs Hewitt quality tennis every day of the week during most stages of any ATP event.
Yeah ur right, but i mean we need some new faces picking up trophies
Are you sane?
Federer is the best thing ever happen to tennis.. People just can't stand to see him bagel all of the american guys.. Federer just has a beautiful, smooth and fluid strokes.. he's great and humble on & off court.. It does not matter if he is going to lose or win another tourney, he's just great for the sports. Look at American players, they are really sucks... Mentally fragile and brainless.. I meant the current players.. I just missed the old Sampras, Change, Courier.. etc days.. it was fun, competitive & interesting.
I wont generalise but ive seen some in these boards who expect everyone to praise federer. If you say something like Nadal is leading federer 6-3 in their matches against each other you see Fedfans thinking this guy hates Federer.
And he isnt GOAT! Roger sayd it himself, if he would stop now he wouldnt have any of the big records. Again I must hate Federer since I denied him the title of the GOAT. Ya its very likely that he will break the records but lets wait for that and let the past champions have the glory as long as it lasts.
I love to watch Federer play, but I dont mind him losing once a while. Its actually refreshing. I like Nadal over Federer but last season I was ruding for Federer since he was the underdog at clay. WOW I sayd Federer is underdog, Man im really hating him.
Maybe some of us dont hate Federer, we just think hes a man among others. So go ahead. Bash me! Im a fed hater since I havent praised him enough in this post
And to the OP. Why hate Nadal, bashing him as a topspin monkey? How often you see this kind of comments here in the boards? Ive never seen anyone comment on Federer on a personal level.
Come on !! Caulcano and Larry123 !! Fist pumps, Vamos shoutings and those seemingly intimidating stares are indicative of PASSION and FIGHTING SPIRIT!! You would do these when you are on courts playing too because you are glad about the winning shots you made...
PASSION can triumph over Art and Beauty mind you!
A martial artist and a jiu jitsu expert ? see who will win??
I like this passion that animates Nadal on court
I like his general style of play, but it's the fist pumping/shouting he does when an opponent makes an error that I dislike most.
fist pumpings and shouts on opponents' errors because of the strength of his shots?? that is correct!!
I'm talking about UFEs.
I don't believe anybody really hates Federer. I admit I like it better when there's more contenders for the #1, like, for instance, the Borg-Connors-Vilas era. But the lack of challenging contenders it's not Federer fault.
Don't assume things. There are more people here who love Federer than the haters. I would even think the split is more like 80:20.
I'm just trying to understand why people are hating on him so much. For one thing, I'm trying to understand how anyone could call his game boring. How can you not enjoy him playing? His strokes and movement are so fluid, he contructs points better than just about anybody in the game right now and he can play both offensive and defense. He's one player that I enjoy watching whether he's bageling a guy or if he's in a close match. And as for those who say that he's arrogant, I'd have to disagree. He's just honest and tells it like it is. He doesn't put up any false displays of modesty because he knows (and any other sane person knows) that he's the best out there right now.
You have said it all! What an absolutely perfect summation!
Tennisandmusic, has it right. I love the other guy's thing about Fed lucky to not be playing the qualies. LOL I want to see someone take a screwdriver to the Federbot on clay, again. A real nobody would be awesome.
Federer is arrogant and cocky. He discredits and credits his opponents in the same sentence. There is more than enough evidence of this. Those who choose to ignore it do so willingly.
Federer is mentally weak against tough opponents. If the opponent doesn't give him the match due to nerves, or self-belief it is Federer himself who will crumble.
Federer is a crybaby. Notice during the Canas match how he started acting like Canas was taking too much time between points. A similar ruse he pulled against Nadal. Had the people clocking Nadal between points to see if he was going over time. That didn't last because it was a lie! At any rate Nadal picked up the pace and kicked his behind even faster.
Federer is a coward. He gets people on his side and allow them to be the haters of Nadal. Ex: Ljubicic. Ironic, Ljubicic, the biggest Fed Lover also has issues with Nadal and Canas. Coincidence? I don't think so.
Fed is pouty, boorish, and insecure. He masks all this with feigned humility, but some are not fooled, because actions speak louder than words. It is his actions, folks, not his words that turn many off.
What kind of person would call up the current GOAT, ten years older to play with him, only to announce that he wanted to beat him in his own backyard? This is a graceful, humble champion? In the words of JMac, you cannot be serious, or a loud LLeyton Hewitt, c'mon!
Anyone who likes Federer to me has the bigger problem. Sometimes we have to believe the evidence in front of us, and the evidence suggests something totally different.
All of the worship is sickening. Federer is a man just like anyone else. It's one thing to like a player, but to love someone you don't even know borders on insanity. To refer to him as a god is beyond mentally ill, and to get angry because others don't kowtow to him suggests some type of manic behavior.
Maybe the real reason many people don't like him is because we relate to the qualities we embody. Fed embodies arrogance, cockiness, and overall poor sportsmanship, while Nadal embodies passion, humility, and grace at all times. So for the quoted 80/20 split. I proudly belong to the minority, because I personally see nothing good or gracious about Federer!
P.S.-He will never be the GOAT for me, as I prefer a much humbler and nicer champion!
can i marry u?
and im in the minorty =)
The reason that there are so many posters here who hate Federer is simply because there are a lot of posters on this site.
Ha ha ha! That's funny!
Regarding Nadal's humility, if you feel pumping fists, cheering and celebrating like crazy at your opponent's unforced errors, staring at your opponent's face when he hits a nice winner past you and all those intimidating tactics are all signs of humility, then you are ten times more mentally ill and you have many more major problems than the Federer fans whom you mentioned. Yes, I perfectly agree that actions speak louder than words. It is Nadal whose oncourt actions speak louder than his words and judging by his oncourt antics, no sane man will credit him for any of the qualities that you mentioned. It is Nadal who seem to mask himself behind a humble covering during interviews while his real nature becomes visible while he is in action on court. Yes, sometimes we have to believe the evidence in front of us - absolutely right. And from my own evidence and experience of watching Nadal on court and the way he cheers his opponent's mistakes and all those rude and nasty stares suggests something totally different about Nadal than what Nadal fans portray him to be and how he masks himself to the outside world.
Great post Larry123, fully agree: I simply stressed those parts that explain why I am definitely a FED fan (hoping he will be able to capture the French this year ) and I am not a fan of Rafa (So boring with his pumps after even UE by his opponents )
Your opinion is based on a single basic element: You are jealous of this guy and his achievements. Moreover, I guess, you are jealous also about the way in which he was (is) able to organize his life and career. Finally, I guess, the humble reference to an eventual GOAT as well as your past records here seems to show another weakness: You dislikes this guy simply because he is not USA and he is touching Pete's records..
In any case, as a proof that you are complily wrong, let's consider the opinion of someone who is spending a lot of time with the current players themselves, i.e. John McEnroe. Recently he said:
"He is a class guy. Maybe that's the problem, that it's difficult to find anything wrong with him. I don't think there's a guy in the locker room who doesn't like Federer. I don't think you could have made that same statement about me or about Connors and some of the other world No 1s in the past.
"Federer really likes to be out on the court, he enjoys being around tennis, he has time for people. He's got it all going for him. But Connors and myself, we would have somehow found a way not to like him. Federer is too nice a guy, but we would have come up with something."
Details here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?xml=/sport/2007/02/23/stmacc23.xml
BTW: FED was proving just the contrary of what you are claiming but just saying:
"Of course I have clearly earned the praise and all that, but at
times I wish people gave me a bit more time and said, 'OK, you do
great stuff, etcetera, records, etcetera, but we will only evaluate
you after the end of your career and only then look at whether you
really were the best or even came close,'" Federer said.
"If I keep on like this for the next two years, then it looks like
I will be (the best). But we are not going to see that for a long
time. One must always look at the game this way - if I stopped
(playing) now, would I be the best player of all time? No, not a
Details here: http://rawstory.com/news/dpa/Federer_sees_himself_very_far_from__03192007.html
I simply suggest you to change your nickname TheTruth= The Useless..
I'm not sure where you got the idea so many here hate Federer. Its the opposite, most people like him. The few that hate him just make a lot of noise. And its JUST noise.
When you are the best, all those jealous people are just waiting for you to make a mistake, and then they blow it up so everyone can know that they are 'right'. Federer has done nothing bad, everyone who says he did is just jealous.
And here an additional proof that you are totally wrong TheTruth:
Tennis-Federer leads charge against ATP over Monte Carlo row -MONTE CARLO, April 16 (Reuters) -
World number one Roger Federer, backed by several top players, has strongly criticised the ATP's plans to downgrade the Monte Carlo claycourt tournament in 2009
The Swiss, who is top seed this week in the principality, slammed the lack of communication of the men's governing body.
"The ATP is moving really fast at the moment. Many of the players, we've had a letter signed several times about the ATP and the ITF about certain issues," Federer told reporters on Monday.
"I mean, issues like here in Monaco, with the 2009 calendar, and then obviously also things with the ITF, the weeks of Davis Cup. They don't seem to understand what we have a say, so we would just like to address this issue through the media for a change," he added.
"It's just a little scream for help. We're just not happy with the last few months. The players' meeting in Miami was a big disappointment for all of us.
"We had many issues on the table and we couldn't really discuss them at all, and decisions are being taken very soon for 2009, and we would just like to have a little say as well."
Earlier this month, Monte Carlo organisers filed an antitrust lawsuit against the ATP over its plans to downgrade the tournament from a Masters Series event.
The Hamburg claycourt event also filed a lawsuit over plans to downgrade it as the ATP are reshuffling the calendar from 2009 with Madrid moving from its present spot in October to become a spring claycourt Masters Series.
"It's been difficult, we've had a change at the top of ATP, we've been trying to talk to him (chairman Etienne de Villiers). I've had many, many meetings with him," said Federer.
"Of course he has his ideas. I wish he would just listen a little bit more to what we have to say.
"We've had a lot of issues with them (the ITF) as well, letters signed to them, told them what we think are the best Davis Cup weeks.
"They seem to respond that they know better than we do. They're not in the tennis shorts playing on the court and knowing how demanding Davis Cup and the ATP circuit is."
French Open champion Rafael Nadal, who was sitting beside Federer during Monday's news conference, ruled out the possibility of a strike.
"We want things to change but in a good way," he said.
Croatian Ivan Ljubicic, a French Open semi-finalist last year, believes the ATP is acting in the interest of the American tournaments at the expense of the European players.
"It's disappointing to see it's going to be downgraded," Ljubicic said of the Monte Carlo tournament.
"Are they afraid of U.S. tournaments? It was never an idea to touch anything over there. European players are the ones paying the price."
The towering Croatian also criticised the American players for their lack of support.
"The Americans never come here. For us it's not easy to go to Key Biscayne and Indian Wells, playing two tournaments in two weeks," he said.
If he was so selfish arrogant as you are claiming why he should take the defence of Monte Carlo a clay event???
Just a term for you : You are just an jealous useless guy.
- he's not American
- he's not black
- he's not a woman
- he's not a jerk
- he's a true athlete, not a celebrity
- he's reserved, educated, polite, introverted
- yet...he's the best there is, so all these childish punks are envious and feel threatened.
Considering that there are people in this world who still believe that the Earth is flat, I'm not surprised in the least that an almost universally liked athlete has several detractors. It's almost impossible to get everyone to agree on an issue.
Also, there are not too many people that hate Federer - they just happen to be a very loud minority.
Get a grip! You think an article will change my opinion of that classless man? And BTW, I'm a female, not a male! Why would I be jealous of that ugly man?
Accept the fact that everyone isn't a FedFan! It's not the end of the world. I'm not trying to change your opinion, and you certainly aren't changing mine, so live and let live.
I suggest you change your name to idiot, because you obviously are one. NO ONE HAS TO AGREE WITH YOU. Grow up!
Oh, and next time quote yourself. That's what a forum is about, posting your own opinion, not the opinions of others. Do you always accept whatever is written as gospel?
I think a lot of people may not have understood what a sport in general is all about. It's about striving to become better, achieve more and move to greater heights, all through sport.
A sportsman is always an inspiration to others like for e.g. people on this board, who haven't had that kind of success in sport. There's nothing wrong with having a terrific role-model, is there?
Federer is a fantastic sportsman, he's doing what all of us aren't able to do, which makes him a huge inspiration. How many times will be be able to witness such grace and elegance in the sport? In the midst of all the modern-day aspects of power play, Federer is actually a breath of fresh air.
A lot of people have pointed out that Federer is mentally weak, and even though I am his fan, I still agree to that statement partially. Partially, because I just think that weakness is a very general word and wrongly used in this context.
To explain that, I can just say that Federer's character is like that, and he brings it on court just like other players. E.g. Nadal, is like a Spanish bull and he gets that character on court, he is not one to get tamed. Federer is like a classic, elegant Swiss, and he brings that on court. He's not hurried, he would like to win a match using his own pace and time, and his own shots which are aesthetically executed. If the opponent is a bull, obviously he's going to have problems, and he's immediately written of as "weak". And I think his attitude is "If I lose playing my game, so be it, this is who I am".
That's my two cents.
accept the fact he is the goat, GROW MORE!
LOL a desperate housewife then...LOL who should then grow up?? LOL..
BTW: I was presenting mainly an opinion of a great player in the past, i.e. John Mac, simply because this guy had more opportunities of all of us to meet and discuss with the players: Therefore his opinion is just based on solid facts due to his superior knowledge: As a consequence if this guy is telling to me that this is a "nice guy" I tend to believe you more than a desperate housewife near the 50 like you...LOL
And remember concerning idiotic behaviour you are definitely more close to that behaviour than me if we take the following definition:
"It is true of idiots, that the more absurd and foolish they are, and the more their opinions diverge from those universally held, the more likely are they to utter no word which they will wish to recall"
As well as:
No man is exempt from saying silly things; the mischief is to say them deliberately.
No more time to waste talking with a lonely Desperate housewife LOL
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