Why USO, why!??!

Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by TheMagicianOfPrecision, Aug 27, 2011.

  1. OK, got some inside info from Flushing Meadows, the courts are reported to be the slowest for God knows how many years.

    If this has been posted/discussed already, I am sorry.

    Take a look at the guys who have qualified, lots of claycourts specialists.

    The courts are like Miami this year according to several reliable sources.

    Who will benefit from this??
    Tsonga Fish and DelPo will tear their hair, Murray will be satisfied. Djokovic? Federer? I think this might be good for the old man since what he needs is TIME even if he doesnt realize this himself. You cant play the same tennis now as you did at 26 Roger, just realize!

    Imo, no big guys will be in the QF like DelPo Tsonga Berdych Cilic etc.
     
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  2. DragonBlaze

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    Interesting, you believe this info is accurate?

    Anyways, I agree it probably helps Federer if it's slower AS LONG AS the bounce remains low. Any idea about that? Last year Fed dominated WTF and that court was slowwwwwww but it had a low bounce which helped Fed a lot with his backhand IMO.
     
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  3. SLD76

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    man..if this true im stunned. I dont understand why they would slow down the USO courts.
     
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  4. Yes, this is 100% accurate info since I have 3 sources who are at Flushing Meadows as we speak. The bounce is high from what i have heard:?
     
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  5. I agree with you, i dont understand why they have to slow down all the surfaces :?
     
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  6. DragonBlaze

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    LOLLLLLL Fed out before QF then :neutral:
     
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  7. Well, i dont know...either it will help him a lot OR it will even make it harder for him. Im torn about this...
     
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  8. SLD76

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    it will help and hurt. he will have time to retrieve, but it will detract from his attacking a bit.

    honestly, i think it will help slightly more than it will hurt.
     
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  10. DragonBlaze

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    Wow so it's true. Fantastic. Honestly it's like they WANT somebody to go out and win a CYGS, I mean seriously what's the point of this?

    I agree that this probably might end up helping Fed a bit (even if he seems annoyed with it), but I just don't understand why they would slow it down?
     
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  11. fms

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    Because they want a Djokovic vs Nadal final, clearly.
     
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    Not sure how a slow surface is going to help Roger a great deal. Last year's fall coincided with some fresh perspective Roger had in his tennis. He didn't just do well in fall, he also did very well in Montreal and Cincy and lost a pretty close match to Djokovic at the USO. Besides, even if we assume the bounce gave Roger an advantage I doubt the USO surface is as low bouncing as WTF.
     
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  13. DragonBlaze

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    You're right I guess. Only way I see it is Fed comes super motivated to every single match, half assing it anywhere is only going to get himself an early exit. If he meets Rafa I'm guessing he is mince meat, and Djokovic is going to have to display his Montreal final/Cincy form in order for Federer to beat him.

    That or he somehow turns back time.
     
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  14. Emet74

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    Looks like Nadal/Djokovic final then.
     
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    If this helps Murray I could live with it, otherwise I'm not happy with it.
     
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  17. Emet74

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    Did you see the Miami SF?
     
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    I am deeply disappointed. USO was the one slam where I would see some aggressive tennis and shot making.
     
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  19. PSNELKE

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    Safe to say, that it´s still the fastest HC out there.
     
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    I have looked into this a little deeper to see why so many tournaments are being slowed down. It just so happens that one company either owns or manages too many tournaments during the season namely the AO open, Wimbledon, Miami, and others this company is called IMG they also happen to represent certain tennis players. Hmm? Last paragraph on this link. A slow court gives IMG the best chance to get a matchup between its two biggest tennis clients.
    http://www.imgworld.com/news/news/2011/jan/img-signs-russian-tennis-powerhouse-anastasia-pavl.aspx

    This is the third time in the past 10 years the US Open has been slowed down by its tournament director. Guess who this guy worked for before he became tournament director ten years ago Yep, IMG

    Here is the name of the man who has ruined the US Open and his Email address. Perhaps everyone should send him an email asking why he decided to slow the US Open down 3 times now.
    Jim Curley US Open tournament director curley@usta.com

    I bet this post gets deleted very quickly.
     
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  21. Lsmkenpo

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    No, its not close to the fastest HC ,hasn't been for years. it isn't even rated a fast surface by the ITF . Cincinnati is the fastest outdoor HC.
     
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    Honestly this is getting pathetic, I don't care if it helps Federer or not. They are ruining the game with complete surface homogenization, players barely have to adjust to different surfaces/slams anymore.
     
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  23. DragonBlaze

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    I agree with this. And the evidence is there as well. We went from having nobody doing 3 slams in a year for a long time to now 2 (almost 3) guys having done it in within 5 years.
     
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    This doesn't really make sense. You'd think Americans would do everything they can to help their players. :confused:
     
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    I also wouldn't be surprised if end up with 3 players with a career slam in this era if Novak wins RG&USO(which is quite possible).

    Makes you really appreciate Agassi's feat considering how different surfaces were then and how much he had to adapt.
     
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  26. No, someone compared Cincy and USO and said Cincy is way faster. Ill try to find the link.
     
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  27. Li Ching Yuen

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    Actually the guy responsible for all this is Adam Helfant, the ATP executive who has commanded that all Masters should be slowed down (which has happened, except for Paris due to the thickheaded French Federation).

    The other example is Shanghai, who's now something similar to tar.

    His explanation is that the slowing down of tennis brings more money in the sport, which is, statistically true, especially since the previous administration of the ATP couldn't ****ing keep the organization on a lifeline.

    They have monopoly over all Federations and most big manufacturers of tennis balls, court surfaces and all the like.
    Whatever they say, it gets through veeery well.

    And let's be honest, the tennis audience that brings in the money are not the one that know what the ****'s going on or much about the sport itself.

    Let's remember that Indian Wells' big chunk of the audience, is made of retired people with too much time and their hands, Cincy's is made of housewifes that get a break from overfeeding their obese kids to watch some hot bods fluffing some balls in the heat, Shanghai is made of screaming teens and younger people that barely give a **** about tennis and just want to flop their cameras around and get **** signed...Miami is a gathering of reality show "stars", hispanic immigrants and locals that jump on the event just for the sake of it...and so on...

    That being said, just go on and enjoy the thrilling sight of watching Djokovic and Nadal play double handed backhands cross court for the next few years.
     
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  28. But I do, and I started the thread.

    I agree. The charm of each and every surface is long gone.

    We now have/will get even more an Era of ballbashing machines
     
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  31. celoft

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    This benefits Nole the most. He loves slower HC....
     
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  32. DjokovicForTheWin

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    Yup, this is why Agassi is vastly underrated in the pantheon of champions. Much more talented than Sampras actually despite the slam tallies. If Agassi's head was committed throughout, he would have roasted Sampras like a coffee bean.
     
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  33. celoft

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    Slow and high bounce hc. Just give the trophy to nole already.

    Fed doesn't like them... Look how Fed did in Miami this year.... Just saying...

    BTW, i think slow HC is the worst surface for Fed now... Even worse than grass...
     
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  34. GOAT BAAH!!!

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    These are silly questions.....

    but

    but do they publicize replacing the the courts each year....?

    what is the difference in the consistency of the surface in recent years...?

    etc....

    <google is normally my friend on these matters but...>

    I've seen graphs and flow charts of the SW19 grass change and it's effect on the bounce but nothing for the US.
     
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  35. But Nadal almost beat him there...:cry:
     
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  36. Li Ching Yuen

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    An ATP event has to lay the surface again at least every other year.

    Slams are resurfaced every year.
     
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  37. I agree with you about Novak.

    And also disagree, Fed was in the SF in Miami and won a set 6-3 or 6-2 against Novak. So there is hope.
     
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  38. celoft

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    Murray likes faster HC the most...

    Fed got trashed by Nadal in Miami this year.
     
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  39. I agree with this.
     
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  40. Well, imo he plays better on slow HC like Shanghai,Montreal (yeah i know not this year) IW.
     
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  41. You are right, i got it totally wrong.
     
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  42. celoft

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    All surfaces at the slams will play the same now. Career Slam is worth zilch.

    This was before he lost on clay twice to him and at Wimbledon. Nadal was mentally stronger in March/early April, let's just say.
     
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  43. RAFA2005RG

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    Which is fastest out of Indian Wells, Miami and US Open?
     
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  44. Very good question, as of 2011 i really dont know...anyone?
     
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  45. RAFA2005RG

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    Well I don't mind if IW and Miami are similar to US Open, because Nadal prefers them, all but beat Djokovic at Miami with the tie-breaker in 3rd set deciding it. And Indian Wells 1st set was probably Nadal's best set of the year.
     
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  46. Clarky21

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    Maybe he did in the past,but with how badly he has declined the slower surfaces do not help him,but hurt him. Especially since he cannot seem to hit through the court anymore,and his movement has gotten so slow and sluggish. He is ripe for a beatdown.
     
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  48. RAFA2005RG

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    Well he hasn't declined this year on hardcourts that is for sure. He made the final of both Indian Wells and Miami, and he did his usual thing at Cincy, but actually served far better than last year's Cincy. Looking good.
     
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  49. Clarky21

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    Yes he has. He has declined on all surfaces,and since hardcourt is his weakest surface by far,he has really struggled badly on that one.
     
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  50. Tammo

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    This should help Murray, and maybe Federer a little. I don't know why the USO has to slow down the courts. SW19 is slow enough.
     
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