Why You Dislike The Williams??

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Why do u dislike the williams Sisters

  1. The Screaming

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  2. The constant complaining

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  3. Excuses

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  4. Other, if so please specify

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  1. sureshs

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    Most of the supposed "dislike" or "hatred" of Serena is just a covert form of racism and misogyny.

    As simple as that.
     
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  2. Nadal_Freak

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    I don't know about that. Occasionally it is but not all. I definitely am a fan though.
     
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  3. breakfast_of_champions

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    i think i would add, i hate how serena wins to that list. just shows up and gets it on a silver platter.

    time to watch something else for awhile i guess.
     
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  4. 35ft6

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    I agree, but it's a pretty benign form of racism. Most of these people sincerely think they're not being racist. It's similar to how a man can be super bossy, and he's considered a great leader, but a woman acting the same way is called a "b i #$%." Along these lines, studies have shown that in general, taller people will earn more money than shorter people. My point being that people think that some people have the RIGHT to act a certain way (statistically, all elected US presidents are tall with a full head of hair, and obviously, they've all been white males), and it might not just be social conditioning.

    BTW, a lot of guys I know HATE Oprah. And when I ask them why, they usually don't even have a real reason. Just something about her rubs them the wrong way.

    I just feel like color aside, a lot of what Serena did was when she was pretty young. And aside from that, she's had moments were she was very classy, so I wonder why her incredible acts of graciousness aren't used by some to offset some of her flakier moments.
     
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  5. Azzurri

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    woooooaaaa Nelly! Please try to think about using someone like Agassi and Capriati as a comparison for the Williams sisters. They were and always have been in their own little world as if somebody owed them something. Its not their fault however....blame Richey Williams. He is clearly a certified nut job. Agassi was brash and cocky, but never acted like these two after losses. Remember how Venus just kept jumping up and down after she won Wimby?? I know she was exited, but c'mon.....she is a big a jerk as anyone I have ever seen in any sport. Agassi always shoed class at some form...more so in his later years.....

    I am serious when I say this....I stopped watching and playing tennis from 1998-2004 because of them....Too much media coverage on them.
     
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  6. Chadwixx

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    Please elaborate.
     
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  7. Ronaldo

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    That was Dave Chappelle
     
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  8. slice bh compliment

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    Great line. Well done.
     
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  9. tennisjunkiela

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    this "certified nut job" was just crazy enough to believe that his two black daughters, from the inner city of compton, would one day rule tennis as the #1 and #2 top players in the world! $200 million dollars and 27 grand slam titles later, I guess he wasn't so crazy after all?

    thank god you are the exception to the rule!

    because of the williams sisters, tennis enjoyed a resurgence from 1998 to 2004 - because of them, they single handledly resurrected tennis' plunging tv ratings and brought tennis back to prime time tv (i.e. us open). fast forward to 2007, whenever serena or venus are playing, it's a who's who of celebrity and media moguls out to see them - only agassi has rivaled their draw (remember, when bill clinton came out to see agassi)



    The media likes to cover winners, not losers. So as long as they keep winning, I guess you'd better get used to all the media coverage.
     
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  10. slice bh compliment

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    Aw man, I remember that. That match suucked.
    Then a year later Guga routined a healthy Safin in the 2nd round. I had a great seat for that one.

    As much as Guga is the poster child for happy, loving tennis, you are right....EVEN Guga got negative and temperamental every now and then.

    Me, I appreciate the sisters (especially 'reena). I know they've got it tough. I also think Serena is a little bit of a child. The day she grows up, trains and competes like a champion, and commits wholeheartedly to this sport ... will be the day she can be mentioned in the same paragraph as a Steffi or a Martina. Until then, she's just a kid tyring to fulfill her daddy's dreams.
     
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  11. FitzRoy

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    I agree that the match sucked...not because I disliked Kafelnikov (he was one of my favorites, which I know is odd, but what can I say?) but because Guga just had that intangible IT...the kind that's good for bringing more people to the sport. I wanted him to win that, or at least make it a contest. And then Kafelnikov totally tanked against Hewitt, which was one of the rare times that I wanted to punch my favorite Russian in the face.

    Very good paragraph there about Serena, slice. I agree with you. I'm a fan of her as well, but that only makes me want to see her dedicate to the fullest...so we can see just exactly how great she can be. I actually wanted her to lose at the AO so that she might be motivated to train like Emmerson or Muster. Now THAT would be something, even if she only kept it up for a year or two.
     
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  12. SteveI

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    I would never say I hated anyone. I dislike the fact that they give very little credit to the person on the other side of ther net.

    Regards,
    Steve
     
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  13. 35ft6

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    After Henin's hand incident for one.
     
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  14. Ronaldo

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    Mary Carillo refreshed our memories today about the Hand at the FO!
     
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  15. drakulie

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    ^^^ Henin was just being friendly and waving hello.

    Serena didn't like that fact that Henin was trying to be nice because she doesn't like Belgians.
     
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  16. Ronaldo

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    She certainly looks like she loves their waffles, eh?
     
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  17. vllockhart

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    To All The Haters

    :grin: BWAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHA HA HA AH AH COUGH COUGH...INHALE. HE HE HE HE HE HE HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA :grin:

    DON'T HATE THE GREAT! YOU GO SERENA!!!!
     
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  18. latinking

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    LOL. She is great got to give it to her.
     
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  19. Ronaldo

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    Or................don't hate the sistahs, hate the game
     
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  20. RafaN RichardG

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    if you "appreciate" her then show a little more respect for an 8 time GS champion, and shes not "trying" to fulfill her daddy's dreams, she IS doing it, for her and for him.
     
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  21. vllockhart

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  22. tennisjunkiela

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    the unfortunate truth is exactly what serena says - if she's playing her best, noone can beat her. fed also knows this about himself and says it too.

    and it's true - fed and serena both have to beat themselves with UEs to lose. that's not arrogance, that's confidence in their abilities.
     
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  23. WayneCM

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    i'm sorry officer, i didn't want an ignorant person and making this a racial issue... Of course i was thinkin about it, i'm not tryin 2 offend anyone... Anythin else u wish 2 nitpick over???
     
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  24. theballboy

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    From Sports illustrated:
    http://si.cnn.com/tennis/1999/australian_open/news/1999/01/29/hinigis_mauresmo/
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/features/1999/year_in_review/flashbacks/agassi/
    And from the BBC:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/wimbledon/2095382.stm
    There you have it. Hingis called a fellow WTA player a man, called her former doubles partner old, called Graf, arguably the best women's player ever old and past her prime, not to mention other countless arguments.

    Mauresmo basically whined that she was sick of the Williams winning anything, and then hinted that the Williams would decide who wins their finals before the match begins.

    Yet this isn't enough to garner your dislike. yet things Serena's said years ago warrant a entire thread about how you dislike them. I ask you: What has Serena said that tops what Hingis has said several times over the past few years in malice and disrespect? And what has Serena said or done in the last five which you don't like?

    In other words, why are Serena and Venus the target of your anger, and no one else?
     
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  25. pirateofthecarribean

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    Hingis said the Williams sisters have "big mouths" in a press conference in 1999 USO. I think the Williams sisters are really humble and they respect other players.
     
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  26. goforgold99

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    --> arrogance
     
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  27. Ronaldo

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    Oh Lord it's hard to be humble
    When Serena is perfect in every way
    She can't wait to look in the mirror
    Cuz she gets better lookin each day

    To know her is to love her
    She must be a hell of a woman
    Oh Lord it's hard to be humble
    But she's doin' the best that she can

    She used to have a boyfriend
    But I guess he just couldn't compete
    With all these love starved posters
    Who keep clamoring at her feet

    Well she probably could find her another
    But I guess they're all in awe of this diva
    Who cares she never gets lonesome
    Cuz she treasures her own company

    Oh Lord it's hard to be humble
    When she's perfect in every way
    She can't wait to look in the mirror
    Cuz she gets better lookin each day

    To know her is to love her
    She must be a hell of a woman
    Oh Lord it's hard to be humble
    But she's doin the best that she can

    I guess you could say Serena is a loner
    A cowgirl all locked up and proud
    Well she could have lots of friends if she wanted
    But then she wouldn't stand out in a crowd

    Some folks say that she's egotistical
    Hell she don't even know what that means
    I guess it has something to do with the way
    That way she fills out her skin tight blue jeans

    Don't hate the playa, hate her game
     
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  28. I dislike them because I dont think Ive ever heard them admit that they lost a match because they were outplayed. Its always this or that, this injury or illness or someone in the crowd is stalking them. and when all else fails, theres always that good old race card. No wonder why every other player in the locker room cant stand them
     
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  29. mJeez4293

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    umm cuz serena beats sharapova?
     
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  30. Eviscerator

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    I cant vote because I don't "hate them" and you did not have the main reasons I have for disliking them at times. Several choices should be their "The World Revolves Around Me Attitude", or their arrogance/unwillingness to give others deserved credit. Their loud mouth father is another along with them playing the race card at the slightest hint of displeasure with them.

    However as an American, I respect the fact that they represent us in Fed Cup play, and they have some positive attributes when they are focused on tennis rather than outside interests.

    Another words they are a mixed bag as far as I am concerned.
     
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  31. thursdayisgod

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    I don't think race has anything to do with it. Both Blake and Monfils face no such discrimination on the court at all.

    I remember watching them play each other. I had never seen so many unforced errors in my life, I've watched college players perform much better. The only compliment the commentators could give was "they respect each other so much, they seem to be really going for it this match." Which is complete garbage, can either of them play a point where they "don't go for it?" (by "it", a winner is implied, or an unforced error in the Williams sisters' cases) It was single handedly the ugliest tennis match I have ever watched in my life, just a complete slugfest of overpowering each other with masculant bodies.

    That's why the woman's game is terrible, and I blame it primarily on the existance of the Williams sisters because the Russians are waaayyy too eye pleasing to dislike.
     
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  32. thejackal

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    for serena, i find annoying the fact that she thinks she's a good designer and actor, even though its obviously not the case. she is a great tennis player, but that doesnt mean anything she touches turns to gold. Venus i dont mind at all. meanwhile richard is just not someone i'd want to be in contact with.
     
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  33. BreakPoint

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    Uh....I don't think so. It has nothing to do with her race, it has to do with her arrogance and the fact that she never gives her opponents any credit whatsoever. Everything is about her and not about her opponents. When she loses, it's always because she played "10,000 times worse than she normally does" and not because her opponent played better or that her opponent is just a better player. In her mind, it is beyond the realm of possibility that another woman could be a better tennis player than her. Didn't she even once say that she could beat John McEnroe?

    So no, it's not the color of her skin that I dislike, it's the color of her comments and her arrogant demeanor. Her ridiculous tennis outfits and the huge "bling, bling" earrings don't help, either. I would feel exactly the same way about a white player that behaved that way.
     
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  34. thejackal

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    like the kinda flak bethany mattek gets
     
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    i hate their excuses so i like it when they can win and shut the hell up.I also hate their grunts so i love when they lose early-1st round.But most i hate their fathers annoyong comments,quotes etc so i cant wait for them to retire
     
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  36. Phil

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    Why tf should you care what Serena thinks about her designing skills. She wants to design and act and there is no reason she shouldn't approach these two areas with the same confidence that she has in her game...she's a competitor in every way. I guess it makes a difference to you that Martina Hingis thinks she's a great horseback rider, too, right? Not.

    Since when did people care so much about what tennis players did outside of their tennis life...enough for it to actually influence whether or not the "liked" such players. The problem, I think, is that most tennis players never DO anything outside of their tennis lives. Serena has decided that she doesn't want to be a one-trick pony...she thinks there's more to life than tennis. What is WRONG with that?

    These are all lame excuses for disliking Williams. Whyn'tchyu just come out and say what you really think-you and about 100 others.
     
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  37. pirateofthecarribean

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    :confused: Weirdo. Anyway, you are gonna be disappointed cuz the Williams sisters are back and sweeping. :D
     
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  38. Pete.Sampras.

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    I would say that I hate Serena and I dislike Venus but I'm too lazy to explain and discuss about this... and I would have to if I said that :-|
     
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  39. Moose Malloy

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    However 'arrogant' the sisters are I doubt they'd go around saying they were the best ever post retirement. I doubt they'll even attend events years from now, unlike some who are always around...



    "I know I'm one of the top three women athletes of all time. And I'm the greatest tennis player who ever played the game," Navratilova told The Houston Chronicle. "When you're up there with an elite group of people, that's good enough. But I probably was the greatest. I know my best was better than anybody else's."

    http://www.sportsmediainc.com/tennisweek/index.cfm?func=showarticle&newsid=16774&bannerregion=
     
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  40. 35ft6

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    So true. Hingis was way worse but people seem to love her. Lucky for her she's not black.
     
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  41. ShooterMcMarco

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    I thought she did quite well in her cameo on ER
     
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  42. THUNDERVOLLEY

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    1. The Williams sisters did not introduce the power slugfest. Seles, Pierce (and later) Davenport were among the first to use the latter-day definition of power to bat opponents around. The sisters were/are simply products of their era--but they do have the ability to play and win at the net--abilities empty-skulled bashers such as Sharapova and Vaidisova, et al, lack.

    2. Though appearance is most certainly a matter or personal perception, PLEASE tell me which Russians are allegedly "eye pleasing" in your opinion? Because from my view, most come off like beat-down, homely stock of the highest order.
     
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  43. Chadwixx

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    Comparing seles to the williams sisters shows tennis illiteracy. Seles produced some of the best angles womens tennis has seen.

    "PLEASE tell me which Russians are allegedly "eye pleasing" in your opinion?"

    Im like you i prefer my women to look like nfl players dressed in drag.
     
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    Illiteracy? Try your oft-blasted views on race in the "heckler" thread, kid.

    To the point: It is a matter of historical fact that Seles (and a few others) introduced that power game copied by the next two generations; it was one of her key/best weapons against the generally untouchable Graf. Seles' game was one of blasting to the lines with next to no touch, or net play. Venus (and to a slightly lesser degree, her sister) exploded on the scene painting the lines, creating similar angles as well as the overall strength factor; anyone suggesting that was not the case is simply drowning in yet another misguided effort to criticize them for no intellectually honest reason.


    Considering your state of living with a particular moral cancer, you--more than likely--find the beat-down/worn/frightening appearance of some of the Russians to be quite pleasing. Oh well, that is a struggle between your mind and your stomach.
     
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  45. Azzurri

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    To be honest it seems that you are the type of person that would be fruitless to argue with because of the responses above. Richard Williams is a WAD...never said his girls were not great players. We are talking about their attitude....gues you MISSED that.

    Maybe you should check these sites and other that allow people to form and express an opinion. Many...many...many people could not stand the Williams sisters for their ATTITUDE towards other players and the past players. You must be completely full of sh.. if you think my opinon is an exception. Many, many , many people dislike Sharapova also, but what does that mean...nothing. Just making a point....guess you MISSED that too.

    Resurrected what? Are you serious?? Women's tennis had their hey day a long time ago and the Williams sisters were a CONTROVERSY, not a resurrection. Not many people care too much for women's tennis regardless. Part of the reason there were some peaks during the Williams heyday is because they were American's. Simple as that. If they were from Nigeria or France not many people would care. Remember, they were a bit (a bit is a term used loosely) of a contraversy so many people tuned for that reason ala Paris Hilton. Not comparing their tennis, but their flaky personalities.

    Your last statement really says it all. For years the media covered Anna K. like no other player before or since....she never won a singles tourney. The media covers players that win, whine, accuse, annoy, and whatever reason they see fit. Winning is just an aspect. As far as coverage....no where near what it was 8 years ago. To be honest, I don't mind Serena as much. She has grown up a little. Her father...still a certified nut....never said he was stupid, and being a nut does not mean someone is also stupid. Many crazy geniuses out there.

    Don't take things so personal with what I said...its my opinion and your responses made me feel as if you are some weird Williams lover out to protect them.
     
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  46. Chadwixx

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    Go back and read post163 you were all wrong in the heckling thread thats why no one made a response after many attempts to get one.

    Seles took the ball very early like agassi and she produced great angles, she didnt beat the ball over the baseline all match she used the whole court.

    Just edit your post, davenport and pierce are good ones (both are unwatchable) but the seles one is off.

    Try not to make so many personal insults, this isnt the rant and raves section from which you came.
     
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  47. tennismike33

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    Please take note, stop jumping up and down, it disturbed me, I was the one sitting in front of you.

    The Williams sisters draw a lot of attention to themselves becasue of some of their actions, this is no reason to dislike them.

    Both have raised the level of tennis, they compete at a VERY high level. There are many doubles teams out there in the woman's game who are glad that these two discontinued competing in doubles.

    IMO threads that promote dislike for one player or another should not be allowed here. Tennis is on the decline, we should find ways to promote and exault the players that are taking tennis to new levels.

    That is just my opinion!!!
     
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  48. THUNDERVOLLEY

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    Unfortunately for you, the thread history is there for all to see; you were blasted over and over again by several members for your issues with a certain moral cancer.

    The power game: history still stands. If you disagree, that will remain your problem.
     
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  49. Chadwixx

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    Im beginning to think serenas bash game was purely equipment. She looks alot smarter out there lately with a real racket, ball is going in now. Big serve and can keep the ball in should be more than enough for #1 on the wta.
     
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  50. THUNDERVOLLEY

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    My tennis skills are fairly strong in many areas; the screen name refers to the nature of one of the skills. As for Seles, I was there to see her impact on other players/the sport as it happened in many matches back in her era--not from the pages of a magazine. Trying to remove Seles from her part in the power game's history is like removing McEnroe from the evolution of the S&V game--gutting it of one its central practitioners.
     

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