Wilander: " Murray has zero chance"

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  1. Federafa

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    Read in the french newspaper "l'Equipe": " Roger will easily win Wimbledon, the only threat he may have to struggle against is Tsonga. On Centre Court, in five sets, Andy has zero chance. He's not aggressive enough, there is nothing he can do to bother Roger on grass."

    Ok maybe Murray is a little bit overrated for the Wimbledon title this year but imo he's still a huge threat to any player, including Fedex.
     
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  2. zagor

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    Disagree with Mats.Murray can play agressive tennis on grass,has a big serve,good hands,great athlete etc. he certainly has a shot.I also think that Fed's days of winning "easily" are gone,he'll always drop more sets now in slams which is normal as he ages.

    I would love to see Tsonga win Wimbledon but match-up wise Murray is much tougher for Fed to handle regardless of the surface.
     
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  3. malakas

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    Of course he is.I disagree with Wilander.Noone has zero chance.Even against Fed in Wimby on centre court.

    And one other "journalist" said that Fed stands no chance against Murray.

    Who hires these guys to get paid to write?
     
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  4. mandy01

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    Its Mats Wilander again :lol:
    Murray def.has a great chance...
     
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  5. TENNISSLAVE

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    IMO Mats is right .. unless Murray plays much much braver and aggressive and risks a lot more than he tends too he will not be able to win it.
     
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  6. jelle v

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    Murray played prety well at Queens. He impressed me quite a bit so I disagree with Mats on this one.
     
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  7. P_Agony

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    Can Murray play aggressive tennis for more than a set? I doubt it - it's just not in his nature. His serve would help him sure, and I disagree with Mats Fed will win easily, but Fed at least plays on grass like how grass is meant to be played - aggressive tennis.
     
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  8. joeri888

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    Almost as dumb a comment as Simon Reed's. How does ANYONE stand no chance, EVER? Even Lu has a chance! These so-called experts don't have a clue. They're no better than TW-ers, making bold statements and saying they are 100% sure.
    I like Mats on eurosport a lot, and he's a great tennis legend, but this is a dumb comment
     
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  9. mandy01

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    I agree that Murray is a backboarder but he has a lot of variety..that works in his favour.
     
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  10. TENNISSLAVE

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    Typical press stuff .. 'sports -experts '..They are probably well aware of the hype / emotions that these kinds of statements bring .
     
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  11. joeri888

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    Against Federer on any surface, you still stand a better chance playing passive defensive tennis with of course if you have the chance making agressive moves, than by going all out, hitting big and trying to out-hit him. Simon, Nadal and Murray on the one hand and Blake, Soderling, Del Potro, Gonzales etc. on the other hand are the living proof of that.
     
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    Sadly enough you are right.. add to that: Canas :cry:
     
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  13. Clydey2times

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    Yes. See his match vs. Nadal at last year's US Open or his match with Wawrinka at the same event. There are plenty of examples. You do not hit 60 winners against Nadal if you're only aggressive for one set.
     
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  14. canuckfan

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    Murray has the firepower. Whether he can execute on grass is still a question mark for me. Yes, he won queens. But I still feel like murray loses critical traction on natural surfaces, and that small difference might be enough to prevent him from changing direction aggresively which is necessary for his favorite counterpuching style. He is not at his best when he is 100% attacking, although that part of his game is improving.
     
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    i don't think much of wilander's comments. that said, i watched the queen's club final closely and i do believe that blake was able to expose murray's lack of aggression on grass.

    a retriever-type game on hard courts has been effective against Federer (see murray, nadal, simon and canas),. but on grass, Roger's serve, slice, volleying skills and ability to pull the trigger aggressively and at will, give him a definitive edge over murray.

    i don't endorse wilander's hyperbole. murray defly has a chance; he is a fantastic player and has the potential to be a future #1. but the court surface, Roger's game style and stats spk of greater probability of success for Roger.
     
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  16. jaykay

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    excellent point re: murray's court movement...
     
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  17. skip1969

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    wilander has zero chance.

    (and you can quote me on that)
     
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  18. sihatch19

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    Murray=Quarters or better
     
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  19. pmerk34

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    They get paid to have an opinion. Nice work if you can get it.
     
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  20. PimpMyGame

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    I think Wilander either has huge stocks of shares or a sponsorship with at least 1 multinational gambling website. He really does spout some ****e.
     
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    no.They get paid to have an educated opinion,with arguments and to analyse the game better and deeper than the average tennis fan.

    But even that poor uneducated and ignorant average tennis fan will tell you,that expressions such as: "he has no chance " have no place in tennis.Especially if it is a slam final.
     
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  22. Frankauc

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    i agree whit Mats, there's no way Murray would win against Fed in a WB final. Fed has too much experience, game and mental to lose against him. It took 3 years to Rafa to win a 5 setter against Fed on grass......
     
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  23. coloskier

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    Doesn't matter what journalist said what. I highly doubt Murray will make it to the final. Too much pressure. Murray does not like pressure. If he gets behind, he rarely comes back.
     
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    lets have both make it to the final first..
     
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  25. raven5288

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    why does Wilander have to be a negative nancy all the time?
     
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  26. Guru

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    I wouldn't be suprised to see Wilander on the BBC talking Murray up.

    Federer's favorite but Murray has a chance
    so does Djokovic and Roddick.
     
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    Wilander is an attention monger. McEnroe commentating and doling out his opinions on everything (Roger is the GOAT, Nadal is clay court GOAT etc) has got all these old fools coming out of their closets spewing their stupid opinions.
     
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    Watch Wilander say Fed has no balls if he loses in a final against Murray :) j/k
     
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  30. zagor

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    That's definitely true,phrases like that always get on my nerves.Each player has a chance,matches aren't won on paper but on court.I bet he would have said Soderling had zero chance of ever reaching a FO final beating Nadal in the process,actually most of us would and yet look what happened.
     
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  31. tudwell

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    I wouldn't say no chance...but I wouldn't be surprised to see Federer win this tourney without dropping a set.
     
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    I'm no Murray fan, but Wilander takes the cake for his stupid predictions. I see it for what it is - generating controversy so the TV channels get more eyeballs and the tabloids get more attention.
     
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    what i get from wilander is that he is a fan first, journalist second. he speaks in absolutes, he gets carried away, and imo that's fine, i'm not waiting on press clippings to help me formulate my opinion one way or the other. if you can battle through your righteous outrage, his tennis insight is usually pretty interesting.

    i'd much rather sit courtside and watch a match with mats, than share the experience with whoever we're holding up as the ******* of objective sports journalism these days.
     
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  34. sureshs

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    Mats is just upset he cannot insult Federer any more about not winning the French. Mats time has come and gone and he should realize he is simply not important any more.
     
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  35. GameSampras

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    I wouldnt say Murray has NO CHANCE. But he has yet to prove to get it done at the slams. So I dunno... I give Murray a 50/50 chance. That is if he doesnt underperform and lose to players he should beat en route to the final.

    Murray is still most effective at the USO, which is where I think his first slam will come from. if in fact, he does win a slam. He hasnt proven to be a championship calibor player thus far
     
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    Hey look who's back! Even though we had some heated discussions,it's good to see you back.
     
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  38. galactico

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    wilander critises everyone, it's just a rule of life.

    having said that i don't think you can predict these things, i thought he would have learnt that at the french open
     
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  39. tahiti

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    Murray definitely has a chance at doing well but he'll probably get pipped at the post.
     
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  40. Guru

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    The bookies say Murray has a big chance
    Federer is favorite and for good reason
    but Andy can win this title.

    He won at Queens and his record against Federer is very good.
     
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  41. Clydey2times

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    How about those 4 times he's beaten Federer from a set down? How about beating Gasquet from sets down? Beating Melzer from 2 sets down?
     
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    Thank you so much, Mats! Here I was doubting Murray's chances, and then you came along and bolstered them simply by telling us that he ain't got a snowball's chance. :lol:
     
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    Hey welcome back.
     
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  47. BHud

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    Hey, if Hewitt won it then Murray certainly has a chance! What has Mats been smoking?
     
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    I agree 100%.

    Welcome back.
     
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    What a Federer hater, this Mats. ;)

    I think if Murray plays up to his potential he'll win this.
     
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    mats wilander is a little swedish ratface gimp. whoever gave that rat a job with a mic should be shot
     
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